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1 of 23
July 14, 2010
This is a very encouraging development and personally gratifying because I grew up in Cornwall when it was a very economically depressed area. It looks like we may soon be able to chalk this new market up as yet another success for feed-in tariffs.
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2 of 23
Anonymous
July 14, 2010
At 62 US cents/kWh too much "success" will cause energy prices to skyrocket. These are the types of prices one only pays when they are spending other peoples money (an FIT is a way for governments to reward a special interest group at the expense of ratepayers and without the transparency of taxes).

Also, peak power demand in the UK is usually during winter nights so solar PV does not even have the advantage displacing peaking power needs (as it does in the southern US). I don't see why the British would want to squander money on PV when they have an ambitious wind plan that always seems to be behind schedule and world-leading research into wave power. More funds for either of those programs would seem to be a better investment.

Steven
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3 of 23
July 15, 2010
The performance of thin film PV modules have been shown to operate more effectively in lower light levels than cyrstalline Si types and may well be more suitable for the UK market - see www.optechsolutions.co.uk/page29.html
Thin film is also lower cost /Wp
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4 of 23
July 16, 2010
The key headline in the following article seems to be "Money is No Object"!

But nowhere in this intriguing article, can I read how much electricity all this capacity is going to generate. What is the capacity factor for UK PV?

Without this key figure, we cannot have any idea of the value for (scarce) money that these massive subsidies will deliver.
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5 of 23
July 16, 2010
For the benefit of Hugh Sharman: The normally quoted ouput for solar PV in Southern UK is 800-1000kWh per year per kWp, so capacity factor of 10-12%.

It weems to me that it is OK to install roof-mounted solar PV if you want to, but I feel it fundamentally wrong to install ground mounted solar PV, when that ground area could be used to grow plants/trees - Especially when that act is being subsidised by electricity consumers like me. Whatever happened to hopes for "grid parity"?
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6 of 23
July 16, 2010
As long as PV and WT's are only very minor periphral power sources there are few economic or system problems. But the need for 100% capacity rapid response backup increases the demand for, and reliance on, natural( non-renewable carbon based) gas standby generators. With growth such high FIT prices lead to cost increases for all users and, when the costs of the investment, maintenance, storage or standby capacity are added, the economic gain becomes negative leading to loss of jobs - 5 - 6 jobs/mWh installed power.
The current proposals make little economic sense. Such 20 or 25 years guarantees of high fixed FIT prices take no account of future improvements in PV efficiencies, storage technologies and distribution systems costs - a potential'licence to print money' and millstone around utility companies necks forcing them to buy an increasing proportion of their power at uneconomic prices. Despite reducing FIT tarrifs countries, France, Germany, Spain... who are far ahead of the UK in the proportion of RE have had to abrogate earlier contracts and cut FIT's to reduce power costs.
We seem to be being railroaded into renewable energy projects for the best of reasons, but with very little objective or accurate information to assess their longer term environmental and econmic outcomes.
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7 of 23
July 16, 2010
I am amazed at all the negative comments on renewable energy FIT's. Is Big Oil behind them? Three immutable facts 1) Oil is finite 2)We are running out of it 3) We will eventually have to switch over to renewable sources of energy. The only question is whether we can make a smooth transition or get banged in the head as we did recently when oil spiked at over $147/barrel!
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8 of 23
July 16, 2010
Comment for David Ward. I am involved in setting up a consortium of UK manufacturers to place ground mounted Solar PV over large areas of land, on which nothing can be grown, CAR PARKS Those next to Supermarkets have the added attraction of a "customer" whose energy demands - for air conditioning and refrigeration - are highest in the Summer months.

For railway station car parks a direct feed into the rail electrics seems worthwhile. As would electric car charging points, so that the commuter can return in the evening to a fully functional vehicle.
If charging is fast enough, the same could apply to shoppers at the supermarket. A discussion is already on going with one chain here.

There are about 1.8 million car park bays in UK, The PV above each would be rated at about 2 kWp. Given the figure quoted above for the annual kWh potential gives a very large "source of electric energy ?

As regards Mr Anonymous comments on wind energy, the UK and indeed most of the world are not applying the most cost effective technology, especially offshore.
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9 of 23
Anonymous
July 16, 2010
In comment #8 Ferrand writes: "As regards Mr Anonymous comments on wind energy, the UK and indeed most of the world are not applying the most cost effective technology, especially offshore."
I am note quite sure what you mean by "not applying the most cost effective technology", but if true it would seem consistent with their interests in solar PV at exorbitant rates guaranteed for 20 years (although at least the car parks are an application that typically costs more than ordinary rooftop PV). Perhaps you would elaborate....

Incidentally, I prefer "author of comment 2" or "Steven" to "Mr Anonymous" which can be quite vague on a site with many anonymous comments and where people are thus forced to review all the prior comments if they want to know what point you are addressing (also, "Mr" is overly formal and Dr would be more accurate anyway).
Steven
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10 of 23
Anonymous
July 16, 2010
Regarding Russell's remarks in comment #7: It seems just a bit paranoid to assume that everyone will an opinion differing from yours is an agent of the oil cartels. Also, it is overly simplistic to assume that solar PV even conflicts with the interests of the oil companies. Almost no electricity is generated with oil, most of the displaced demand would come from natural gas generation.
Steven
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11 of 23
July 16, 2010
Thank you author of comment 2. Re wind energy, work done by the 3rd Reich Wind Energy Ministry 1935-45 has never yet been properly followed up. In principle it removes all gearbox requirements, and due to "point suspension" of rotors should enable floating off shore units

At reported costs for large three bladed turbines off shore wind per kWp installed is about 50% more costly than Solar PV inland [figures from a 2008 report, may be higher now], but the latter has a lower efficiency. Work is in hand in UK to materially reduce Solar panel costs. In USA these are already down to under $1/Wp.
The consortium noted is to explore how costs for car park installations can be radically reduced - through component standardization and the like. The "fit" with Supermarkets looks promising, and I have cash flow and depreciation diagrams available for current costs which are also attractive, given FIT.
One of the largest PV installations so far is
http://www.co-operative.coop/aboutus/ourvaluesandprinciples/ourvaluesinaction/thesolartower/ installed I think in 2005. Perhaps you should ask them how it has got on ?
The point is that in the hands of a concern paying tax on it's profits, with a large own use of electricity and a large car park Solar PV under FIT rules is financially attractive as an investment
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12 of 23
July 19, 2010
Hi Jackie.... while I am a big fan of renewables, and indeed the feed-in tariff (having solar myself), I am not too keen on large-ground mounted PV in places like the UK, for environmental reasons.

Land is very scare here (one of the most densely populated countries on the planet) and rural and undeveloped land is at a premium, from a recreational, wildlife and ecosystem services perspective ... these sorts of schemes run the risk of producing a major backlash against solar, and will produce relatively little energy..

The real advantage of solar in countries like the UK is to produce decentralised power in crowded, land-poor areas, not to subsidize major investors...

Still, no need to get too hysterical just yet, a few solar farms does not a problem make, and I suspect they will have fun and games with the planning...
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13 of 23
July 19, 2010
To The Mushy Pea,
See my comment re solar above car park bays in my post of 16 July. see also
http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/intelligent-energy/want-some-solar-power-with-you-electric-car/1967/
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14 of 23
July 20, 2010
Hi there. I've argued for some time that ROCs are useless and the Feed in 'Reward' is not 'FIT' for purpose. In neither case do they carry time of day, day of week, or season of year variations and thus give the wrong message to developers and retail customers. To give some scale to the preceeding arguments, the Peak Demand in GB is @60000MW which will occur on a dark winter weekday evening. On high summer weekdays, the Peak is around 40000 on Summer weekday mornings.

And, looking at the returns. With the Chinese having halved the price of feedstock poly-silicon last year, for a 3kW installation (inc inverters and works) are we still talking £10k+. With the FIT at 41p/kWh for <4kW systems I see that the installers are doing good business.

However, has anyone got a £/wp figure for Thin Film (Cd-Te, CIGS) and a-Si installations??
Now, I thought that these technologuies have quite a high reduction of efficiency with temperature as compared to c-Si; (NOCT @47degC). However, I see from the Optech solutions site and careful re-examination of the data sheets I have from one a-Si distributor that amorphous performs better than TF or A-Si in this respect. Does anyone know of a complex weather databased model (inc panel surface temp taking account of air temperature and cooling power) that can derive annual energy returns for all panel types??

In the UK, the main initiative is big wind in the ocean. However, with a total of 33GW installed, the variability impact on conventional plant operation would be, frankly, unmanageable. So, a lot of initiatives are appearing for 'Big' storage; with multi-day and cross season capability.

I've got a number of articles on Future Power Systems, including the Smart Enterprise, out in the ether.
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15 of 23
July 20, 2010
Thanks for your comments everyone, and I'm not following up on all your points. But for those who have commented about land use issues, I'll just repeat one of the points in the article, that developments should be made on: "preferably a brownfield site", of which there are many.
I wrote the article as a reporter rather than an advocate of ground-mounted systems, yet while my personal preference is to see PV on rooftops and generally within the urban fabric (and especially the rooftops of large commercial buildings) I can see that the existence of large ground-mounted systems could help PV technology be taken seriously as a generator of useful power in the UK. Visually they are no more intrusive than tracts of polytunnels, and we are only looking at a lifespan of 20-25 years...
It would be interesting to follow up MushyPea's concerns about wildlife and ecosystems - I wonder what the experience has been elsewhere when a tract of land has been used for a solar farm. Does wildlife then flourish or is the land likely to be treated chemically to repress vegetation that would potentially shade the modules?
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16 of 23
July 20, 2010
After some research, I found that an ROC is a renewable obligation certificate and a polytube is a plastic greenhouse.

PV is expensive now and should be used where other sources of electric power aren't available. PV is more efficient in the use of land than growing crops for electric power generation. FIT puts PV where it's not economically efficient.

In the US, wind power is economically viable and will be more so with taller towers. The grid will be able to absorb 10% of the power from wind before storage or other load balancing solutions are needed.

I don't work for big oil and believe that we're at peak oil now.
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17 of 23
July 20, 2010
Ron. In UK on shore wind at present is not popular, [we are a small and crowded island !!] and offshore is more costly per installed kWp than Solar.Albeit the latter has a lower efficiency. Much work is in hand to reduce Solar costs, little to reduce wind costs although there is considerable scope for this using a development of the 3rd Reich Wind Energy Ministry [1935-45] technology.

There are ways round installing inland wind so that it is not "intrusive" and Solar PV over car parks at supermarkets and railway stations can feed directly into users s circuits bypassing the grid, which for UK FIT rules is the most financially rewarding
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18 of 23
July 20, 2010
Sheep may graze and silage cut if the panels are carefully spaced. Further, regular income can be paid by the array owner into a rural parish trust to tackle rural poverty, generate rural jobs (reducing commuting to towns) and subsidising charities and voluntary organisations in keeping with David Cameron's 'Big Society'. The electricity can also be sold to the village at a discount to the retail price but at a higher price than the export price of 3p/kWh to the grid. Cheaper electricity will encourage job and energy intensive businesses such as laundries for the tourist industry (which are busiest in the summer in Cornwall), horticulture, potteries and business units using converted redundant farm buildings. Villages will prosper rather than act as soulless dormitories for the towns and cities; commuting will be reduced. The regular guaranteed and RPI linked income received by the parish trust for 25 years will be tax free and bankable should the parish wish to undertake capital investments for community projects. The panels can be removed at the end of the 25 years or replaced with more efficient, contemporary panels. Cornwall is one of the sunniest areas in the UK, with over 1541 hours of sunshine per year, with the highest average of 7.6 hours of sunshine per day in July (Met Office). This is 10% more sunshine than, say, Nottingham with 1,400 hours per year. The FITs are designed to incentivise 'Middle England'. Cornwall also benfits from having cool Atlantic summers which result in solar PV having higher than expected outputs during the summer when heat sharply reduces the efficiency of solar PV in places such as southern Spain.
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19 of 23
July 20, 2010
I am a Solar installer in California, USA. We are presently receiving $.05 per kWh. You are receiving $.45 US dollars for ground mount systems. That is 9 times what we get. The Federal Government gives us a 30% of cost back through a grant program.
That just makes it like we receive about $.08 per kWh equivalent.
If your investors cannot make a good profit at $.45 per kWh then the installer of the system is taking too much profit and charging too much.
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20 of 23
July 20, 2010
Here comes the Integrated Solar Farm ISF. Solar array with hot water collection eg like that from http://www.solimpeks.com/en/index.php and rain water collection. Hot rain water to an algae bed for processing CO2 from the gas engine of an anaerobic digester system
Products for sale electricity and diesel fuel. ?
Viable chemical engineering project ??
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21 of 23
July 21, 2010
Many pertinent comments, but also a few examples of tunnel vision. Electricity is still only about 30% of total energy demand in UK. Also land use for food production seems to be taken for granted and the consequencies of irresponsible marketing not apparent to a public hooked on cheap food. Most solar energy is available in the summer months, which implies a storage problem if it is to play a significant role. Offshore wind is more than twice the price of on shore per unit of generating capacity, yet does not collect twice the energy. Worse still the turbines are inaccessible for more than 10% of the time due to high seas, which makes them a greater insurance risk. No question that the typical horizontal axis machine ( HWAT ) is more aerodynamically efficient than the presently developed vertical axis machines, in their optimal working wind speed range. However this may not remain the case for economic efficiency. VAWT's have more avenues available to improve both efficiency and cost per unit of power produced than HAWT's. Furthermore VAWT's may be more easily integrated into a hybrid with a wave power station, which should produce a downwind area of calmer water to allow access more of the time if sited offshore.In any event energy storage will need the same degree of commitment as generation.Garbage and sewage wastes are both sources of carbon which could be chemically treated with hydrogen from surplus electricity to make storable synthetic fuels. The by product oxygen from the electrolysis could be used for closed cycle incineration at high temperatures for efficient power generation and easier co2 capture. It requires joined up thinking and politicians to really listen to engineers.
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22 of 23
July 21, 2010
oldfarmer.
Can you contact me direct please on ferrand@madasafish.com Have a lot of initiatives/answers to what you say !
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23 of 23
Anonymous
November 15, 2010
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