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13 Reader Comments
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1 of 13
July 7, 2010
Making diesel vehicles more energy efficient would certainly extend the viability of biodiesel and should be part of the overall effort to convert from oil-based fuels to other fuels. The main effort however should be to move away from fuels that burn because all such fuels will continue to produce CO2 as a byproduct during a time when we need to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It doesn't matter how efficient we are in that respect, we have in effect "used up" our "quota" of CO2 emissions for the next several centuries. It's very dangerous to be messing up a planetary ecosystem as we should take heed of the fact that there aren't any other planets nearby to move to if this one should turn toxic.
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2 of 13
July 7, 2010
What if the Gulf "dead zone", caused mostly by fertilizer runoff from corn and soybean farming in the midwest, is larger and more persistent than the oil leak? What does that say about bio-ethanol and bio-diesel??
Tax carbon and let the market decide! If we use too much, the solution is obviously to raise the price! Economics 101!
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3 of 13
July 7, 2010
Therese----" The main effort however should be to move away from fuels that burn because all such fuels will continue to produce CO2 as a byproduct during a time when we need to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere."---------

It is impossible to raise atmospheric CO2 levels by burning biofuels. Biofuels are made from plants, that first must remove CO2 from the atmosphere by respiration. If no CO2 is removed by respiration, the plants are not living and carrying on metabolism to store the energy in sunlight as chemical energy. There are no plants to make biofuel from.

Nature operates on cycles---not linear models---carbon does not stay in the atmosphere in the natural cycle. It is removed, then returned to the atmosphere over and over.

In the natural carbon energy exchange system---driving a car using a biofuel is exactly the same effect on the cycle as riding a horse. Both take in energy stored by plants through photosynthesis(Biofuel, food) expend work, and return the carbon to the atmosphere to be recycled again.
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4 of 13
July 8, 2010
Fred Said:

"It is impossible to raise atmospheric CO2 levels by burning biofuels."

Not true Fred. Corn ethanol for example uses about ten units of fossil fuel energy to produce about 12 units of ethanol energy. It produces less CO2 than gasoline on a life cycle basis, but not much less, and only if you discount land displacement and the latest findings for nitrous oxide release from fertilizers.
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5 of 13
July 9, 2010
Burning fossil fuels raises atmospheric CO2 levels, not using biofuels.

----" Corn ethanol for example uses about ten units of fossil fuel energy to produce about 12 units of ethanol energy."-----

Ethanol is not the only product being produced. The same crop is also producing DDG, high protein animal feed. DDG contains energy. The crop also produces stover---all the non grain parts of the corn plant. Stalks, leaves, cobbs etc.---which are biomass that contains energy. Even the DDG contains energy after it has been fed to animals and produced food products. Gather up the manure and put it in an anaerobic digester---you get biogas----methane energy.

My feeling is that your nit picking is pretty lame, when the alternative is pouring a million barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico every day.

And corn is only one source of ethanol from hundreds available. There is sugar cane, sugar beets, agave, sorghum, wood and agricultural waste for starters.
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6 of 13
July 10, 2010
Dr. Trindade,
There are many concerns about the damage inflicted on world forests due to the cultivation of feed stocks for biofuel production. In many places, it is threatening plant and animal diversity. Extinction of many animals is a major concern. The destruction of world forests is also contributing enormously to the production of atmospheric CO2, as I understand, through the burn during the clearing of the forest in preparation for farming. You did not address this concern in your article. Thanks
John
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7 of 13
July 11, 2010
John--in Brazil, ethanol is made from sugar cane. It is grown in the Mato Grosso region, the climatic equivalent to the Great Plains here. It is a Savannah grassland region, 1200 miles from the nearest rain forest.

Rain forest is being cleared mainly to provide pasture land for cattle ranches. The cattle are going to provide cheap beef for fast food chains. The rain forest is being cleared to make Big Macs and Whoppers.
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8 of 13
July 11, 2010
Fred,

Deforestation of tropical rain forests for the cultivation of oil palm, has done enormous environmental damage in the equatorial Pacific islands. In Borneo, palm oil plantations are rapidly encroaching on the last remnants of primary rainforest (Wikipedia). Thomas Friedman (Hot, Flat, and Crowded): "A century ago there were over 300,000 orangutans living in the wilds of Indonesia and Malaysia. Since then, more than 90% of the population has been wiped out, many in the last decade and a half." " That is what we're doing. 'We need this money from our oil palm plantations--sorry about the great forest of Borneo and the orangutans."

The following lead paragraph is from an article on Mongabay.com dated July 9, 2008.
"Malaysia's Land Development Authority FELDA has announced plans to immediately establish 100,000 hectares (250,000) of oil palm plantations in the Brazilian Amazon." It goes on to say: "As the world's highest yielding mass market oilseed, palm oil will likely offer better financial returns than cattle ranching and mechanized soy farms, the dominant agricultural activities in Brazilian Amazon, and will employ larger numbers of people." and; "Oil palm producers may also benefit from a "logging subsidy" whereby timber harvested from a tract of land helps offset the cost of establishing a plantation."

I'm not against the development of biofuels, but the discussion has omitted many important concerns that must be addressed in any discussion of biofuels. What is the benefit of solving one problem by creating another one that may be irreversible . Industry, left unchecked, will not stop to save the orangutan or any other species in Borneo or the Amazon.
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9 of 13
July 11, 2010
Oil palm has nothing to do with ethanol production---that is what I was saying.

As for conserving our rain forests and wildlife---I completely agree with you there.

However, from my point of view---biofuels are the best way we have to do that. We have come down to an either/or choice---either find a way to replace petroleum, or keep on using petroleum as we have been up until now even with environmental disaster looming.

If we continue to use petroleum, we do nothing to prevent the loss of rain forest---and the loss of other habitat is self evident, particularly marine environments.

With biofuels, we have a wide range of feedstocks to work with. In the case of biodiesel, we have sunflower, rape seed, grains, even algae we can work with besides palm----the only thing is, emphasizing sustainable and renewable.

The same with ethanol. We can even use ethanol in diesel engines, Scania has been doing it in Sweden and UK for years now.

I think we have a lot more room for habitat conservation and providing the energy and food we need if we work with biofuels than we do if we continue to use petroleum like we are now. One major benefit from biofuel use is that we do not need to replace all of our petroleum use all at once. Biofuels and petroleum can work together. Diversified sources and regional production using sources best suited to production regions will work best.
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10 of 13
July 13, 2010
No more free rides for the Oil Drilling Industry while troops are dying in war zones.

All Oil Drilled in the Gulf should remain in the USA at a fixed price of $50~$60/barrel even if Global prices are higher or lower. At that Price Oil Companies will still make Hundreds of Billions off of USA Oil and Oil Drilled in the USA will be used in the USA, Improve USA Energy Security and Secure the USA from OPEC and Oil Industry Price Gouging.

Tax both Domestic and Imported Gasoline a Modest $.50/Gallon. A Modest $.50 cents a gallon to put Millions of Americans back to work and Maintain, Rebuilt and Expand the USAs Road and Rail Infrastructure while putting a greater emphasis on Conservation and Efficiency to Use Less Oil and make what we use go Further and Last Longer.

Seems like the only ones who remember the troops fighting in the Middle East and our lack of Jobs and our dependence on Oil are the Troops doing the fighting. Protecting Gasoline in War Zones costs over $400/gallon because of lost lives, trucks, equipment and casualties.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/63407-400gallon-gas-another-cost-of-war-in-afghanistan-

http://www.iags.org/costofoil.html

A modest tax on Imported Gasoline to fund USA Jobs and Infrastructure is a lot easier than sacrificing an arm, leg, eye, or life as thousands of our military men and women have and are still doing.

A Modest $.50 cents a gallon to put Millions of Americans back to work, maintain roads and Infrastructure, create energy efficienct vehicles and investment. The benefits to the USA are tremendous and far outweigh cheap Oil to waste and pollute just because it's cheap. It's not cheap for those who have to die so others can profit and waste it.
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11 of 13
July 13, 2010
Biogas and Biofuel, most people have their own ideas about these. From cooking fat which after having been used, is recycled as a biofuel after removing any inpurities.

I sat through a full one day conference last year, with Brazilan expert explaining how they were now using ethanol fueled vehicles produced by all the big vehicle manufacturers.

The ethanol was produced in Brazil, from sugar canes waste which when you consider is recycling. In the UK food waste can be the feedstock required, or municipal waste which is bits and pieces of everything,
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12 of 13
July 15, 2010
John, the Fiat Siena Tetrafuel can run on gasoline, gasoline and ethanol mixtures, hydrous ethanol(straight from the still, unblended) or compressed natural gas(methane).

The Fiat Siena is being built, on sale and in use by consumer right now, and has been for three years in Brazil and Argentina.

http://www.goodcleantech.com/2007/08/new_fiat_siena_ttrafuel_runs_o.php

If all new vehicles sold in the US had this technology on them, we'd have no energy problems.
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13 of 13
September 30, 2010
Biofuels have proven to be either 1) useless means of providing
a meaningful alternative energy source or 2) forever on the horizon (since Jimmy the pill Carter's days). You get off oil via electric cars, not biofuels (which will never exist anyway). And the Gulf oil spill teaches us that trying to drill at such depths using current technology is not always a good idea. Don't blame oil because the Feds stupidly tried
to prevent offshore drilling by only opeing up sites way away from the coast (and therefore deep). Don't you just love the logic of Sen Reid
that it's safer to drill further from the coast? Guess what Harry? Water eventually comes ashore. Oceans have a bad habit of doing that. As for conservation, get real. This world will forever require more and more energy.
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