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BP Oil Spill Gives New Meaning to World Ocean Day

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July 30, 2010
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Anonymous
July 30, 2010
The author writes: "However, a black cloud hangs over this year's events as thousands of gallons of oil each day are currently gushing into the Gulf of Mexico..."

Apparently he is unaware that the leak has been capped and thus essentially entirely contained for over a week (it is a good think that we don't rely or former president Clinton for plans on how to fix these things). Or perhaps he does not want to let the truth interfere with a good crisis.... The oil spill was costly and damaging but not cataclysmic. Overfishing is far more problematic from an environmental perspective and is something where an immediate remedy is available, whereas we will need to continue searching for oil for quite some time.
Steven
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3 of 11
July 30, 2010
Anon;
How did Clinton get into this? You are quite anxious to blame others for the "damaging but not cataclysmic" release of oil. You can't be serious, are you? The true effects are yet to be assessed at best. The effects of the toxic oil dispersants are also yet to be decided. That is colossal stupidity on top of disaster.
This was not an "oil spill". This was a careless, I repeat, CARELESS, and blindly bungled life slaughter rendered on an entire ocean body that has destroyed way-of-life and support for millions upon millions of sea creatures and people alike, without discrimination, and the criminal is not only un-aprehended, but in charge of the crime scene. Only in corporate run USA could such murder be done with nodding acceptance. You should be required to take a swim in that worse than shit gulf water. At least shit can be used for fertilizer on soil, but not this drech?
You seem to be among the many who believe this "only" earth is for profits, and the sea is a depository for sewage and place to hide and deny mistakes.
Such ignorance is clearly insane, in my view.
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Anonymous
July 30, 2010
Phil:
I'm not blaming Bill for the spill (although I may have intended that last rhyme), I was referring to this part of the last paragraph of the story: "Clinton recently issued a statement claiming that the U.S. Navy may have to step in and blow up the oil well in the Gulf to stop further leaks." All that talk of bombing or even nuking things was a classic overreaction to the situation.

I suspect you will find that effects of the oil dispersants will be pretty fleeting as well; it wasn't clear if they were a good idea or not, but given the extremely sluggish deployment of skimmers to the site, dispersants may have greatly reduced the damage to the beaches.

You speak of "murder" and "crime scenes" but I have not seen any evidence of that. Almost certainly BP should have been more careful and possibly they were even criminally negligent, but it is also possible that this was merely an accident. I think you need to keep things in perspective--this was NOT the most dangerous threat to the ocean environment. Many species are being fished to the brink of extinction and this is purely INTENSIONAL behavior with dramatic consequences that could be readily altered. The oil spill was an accident with serious but not cataclysmic consequences, new safety standards seem inevitable, and given the serious oil crunch we will face in the near future, stopping deep-sea drilling is not a serious option. We could live without shark steaks tomorrow, so maybe on world ocean day we should focus on the perils that are both more serious and more soluble.
Steven
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Anonymous
July 31, 2010
phil-manke-79191 writes in his comment #3: "You should be required to take a swim in that worse than shit gulf water." It would seem that Phil is not only given to jumping to wild conclusions he also is given to intemperate and uncharitable wishes (and unrefined language too). One would think that a minister would be partially resistant to such impulses; hopefully he will repent.
Steven
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August 4, 2010
Steven----did you put a job application in with BP or something?

Phil makes a lot more sense than you do. Unrefined language or not, he's right.

20:58 October 22, 2047
This is the date and time that the last drop of oil on earth will be used up if you take the known reserves and divide by the current usage rate.(as of 1/1/2010) As calculated by EEU.

Of coarse, this date makes a few assumptions.

It assumes that there is no new drilling or increases in production from existing capacity----this would simply increase depletion moving the date sooner.

It also assumes, there is no increase in consumption rate. DOE and USGS tell us that on average, oil consumption has increased 2.6% per year over the last 20 years. Deduct one year for each 1% increase in oil consumption over 2009 levels.

It doesn't matter in the least what President Obama, or anyone else says.

It doesn't matter what the politics are, whether you are republican or democrat.

It won't matter if you are trying to buy it with greenback dollars or gold bullion.

When it is gone, it is gone. This is the Going Out Of Business Sale.
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Anonymous
August 4, 2010
Fred,
Regarding some of your remarks in comment #6. I won't waste time pointing out the severe limitations on your understanding of the "peak oil" problem, but do you really believe peak oil is what we should be talking about on world ocean day? I suspect that from the perspective of the whales, dolphin, tuna, shark, etc., we won't run out of oil fast enough to save many of them from extinction.

And do you really believe that the author should use hyperbolic misinformation--such as claiming the oil spill continues unabated and that we may need to call in the Navy to blow things up--to advance his arguments? Oh, wait, I suppose I can guess where you stand on hyperbolic bombast....

I suggest that we all take a moment to mourn the passing of traditional media, where editors and fact checkers tended to attenuate the flow of disinformation.
Steven
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August 4, 2010
----------" And do you really believe that the author should use hyperbolic misinformation--such as claiming the oil spill continues unabated and that we may need to call in the Navy to blow things up--to advance his arguments?"----

Where is the oil and dispersants that have already been spilled? In the ocean. In whose interest is it to tell people that the oil spilling has stopped? BP and the government. What is the only source of information on whether the spill is actually abated or not? BP and the government. I would not call distrusting the word of BP and the government under those conditions "hyperbolic bombast"---I would call it healthy skepticism.


---" Fred,
Regarding some of your remarks in comment #6. I won't waste time pointing out the severe limitations on your understanding of the "peak oil" problem, but do you really believe peak oil is what we should be talking about on world ocean day?"--------

At current usage rates and increasing demand, known reserves of oil will run out somewhere around 2030 to 2035. So what is the limitation? It is simple arithmetic.

Your posts give me the impression of a completely gullible dope.
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Anonymous
August 4, 2010
Fred remarks in comment #8:

"At current usage rates and increasing demand, known reserves of oil will run out somewhere around 2030 to 2035. So what is the limitation? It is simple arithmetic.

Your posts give me the impression of a completely gullible dope."

A few flaws jump to mind. On the narrow topic of estimates:
1) Estimates of known reserves are of limited accuracy
2) New recovery schemes might allow us to recover more oil from a resource than was assumed possible when reserve estimates were made
3) New discoveries are not accounted for by known reserves
4) Non-traditional sources such as tar sands are typically not included in these reserve estimates
5) Demand does NOT have to be a non-decreasing function of time. High prices and alternative transportation fuels such as natural gas could alter the demand expectation.


More generally:
The usual peak oil concern is NOT that we will, as Fred says, use up "the last drop of oil on earth" but rather that achievable extraction RATES will not be able to meet demand. The last drop of oil will be so expensive to extract that no one will bother.

And then there is the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you is a "gullible dope"....

Fred does not seem capable of perceiving subtle arguments. For instance, he does not even seem to notice that while I had mocked his claim to predicting the exact moment when all oil is depleted from the planet, I have not disagreed that our current oil usage patterns are a problem. His monomania is such that he has not even noticed my main point--that world ocean day is not primarily an occasion to rant about energy crises, but it might be a good time to consider the problem of over fishing, which is a far greater peril to marine life than an occasional oil spill.
Steven
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August 5, 2010
Keep spilling millions of gallons of oil and assorted other industrial toxins, and overfishing will not be a problem. There won't be any point in going out fishing for fish that aren't there.

It is relevant because it is all interrelated----it is one ecosystem that we are destroying in many different ways.
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August 10, 2010
In researching the mechanism and timetables for crude oil decomposition in the environment---I have discovered no controlled scientific studies at all.

One article I found comparing differing mechanisms of decomposition in soil tells me that the species of bacteria responsible for oil decomposition is Pseudomonas.

Pseudomonas is a highly pathogenic organism, and is the leading cause of death from pneumonia. Pseudomonas is also infectious to other areas and is a highly resistant organism that is very difficult to treat.

Just something to keep in mind when people like Steven tell us that--" His monomania is such that he has not even noticed my main point--that world ocean day is not primarily an occasion to rant about energy crises, but it might be a good time to consider the problem of over fishing, which is a far greater peril to marine life than an occasional oil spill."------

I don't think spilling several hundred million gallons of a substance that requires a highly pathogenic organism to be broken down in the environment, right in the middle of one of the most productive fishing grounds in the world is a monomanic rant. It seems like a reasonable concern to me. Ignoring the implications and continuing more of the same behavior seems incredibly stupid to me.
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