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Solar Heat and Power Systems On the Horizon

By Jennifer Kho, Contributor
June 17, 2010   |   18 Comments

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CEA
June 17, 2010
Price, price, price. It is all about price at this point. These technologies all sound very impressive and definitely have a place in our growing energy needs. But price will ultimately dictate their staying power. If fossil fuels go up (through market or regulatory means) then of course you will see success with these uses. Hopefully the costs come down (and they have) where solar and other renewables can compete in an open market. I'm anxiously waiting for that day!

-Consumer Energy Alliance
"A balanced approach towards America's energy future"
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2 of 18
June 18, 2010
ZenithSolar is the world leader in this area of Combined Heat and Power. Their systems installed at Kibbutz Yavne, achieve fully 75% solar efficiency - 50% from thermal and 25% from electrical power generation.
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3 of 18
June 18, 2010
A combined system mabe trippled with GeoThermal on a large scale to generate electrcity? The heat from inside the earth could be used in the night time to offset downtime of the solar based system while keeping the enviromental foot print on the eath to a minimum. Any thoughts?
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4 of 18
June 18, 2010
A NZ designed CHP system has been on the market for several years now under the trade name "Whispergen" It was first developed for luxury boats with a DC generator, it has been available with an ac generator for many years now and is sold in quantity in UK as a substitute for worn out gas central heating boilers, I think by the British Gas Co. I believe the electricity generator is about 1 or 2 kW.
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5 of 18
June 18, 2010
I could bear reading this garbage after the first few paragraphs. It adds-up to this - Unless you actually can tell chalk from cheese don't expect anything other than a huge rip-off. If you are accomplished in the field of cheese-detection you will undoubtedly save both yourself and the Earth from a further hiding fron this Rock-star trash.
The Truth is very simple and we don't need aught but to wake-up in the morning to see it.
1) Closed boxes into which the Sun shines get VERY hot - in Bulgaria or California, and pretty damn hot even in Britain. It is known as "The Greenhouse effect". Anyone heard of that one ?
Anything in such a box will also get hot. This includes water ! Yes, hot water can be made by putting water somewhere hot. Our technologists have proved this. So, if you have a pan of cold water with a clear lid, and you leave it in the sunshine, waddotaknow ! - after a while it's Hot water ! Wow, imagine that. I believe that it's not illegal to do this.
Another thing. If you buy a solar pv panel and put that so that it faces the Sun, a voltage appears - as if by magic - between the two leads coming from it. If you connect another - (Slightly lower !) voltage source to it - (+ to + and - to - !!!) - ideally through an Ammeter - then a current can be 'seen' to flow, which will take energy to the lower voltage source. You could end-up with a charged battery in this manner - and we are not even connected to the internet yet !
Of course some fabulously machined expensive alloy will help sell it - and it's the customer and the Earth that's paying so this addition also makes a lot of sense - to the "business mind"
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6 of 18
June 18, 2010
As an engineer who has worked developing hybrid concentrating solar electric/hot water system, I certainly believe that this technology has a lot of potential. What I have found working in a northern latitude (~45-degrees N) that during the warmer months when using 3-5 suns of concentration on a PV that there is a great deal of waste heat that can be useful, but that during cold weather (<0 C)there is little recoverable heat available in a range that would be useful for residential purposes. The winter recovered water temps of ~50 degrees F for a few hours/day, which is better than feeding the kids snow for dinner, but not as exciting as the higher rejected heating temps available when there is little space conditioning needs.
So I guess the solution for winter heating is with the inclusion of a small heat pump into the system, but as someone else has said, price, price price...

Have a sunny day!
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7 of 18
June 18, 2010
Hi Jennifer,

Is that a picture of clear, non-focusing concentrators with solar cells in the image gallery for this article? If so, can you give me a link?

Micky Badgero
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8 of 18
June 18, 2010
Hi All:

Any concentrating solar requires "clear sky" country. In an area like the Northeast and much of the Southeast, a high percentage of the solar energy is expressed as diffuse energy, especially in Summer (Haze). SO, unless these devices have a VERY, VERY wide acceptance angle which comes with a low "X" multiplier, there value will be best realized in areas where the bulk of the energy is direct.....
Figure out a way to concentrate diffuse energy, and the worlds energy reality will change radically...
Concentrating diffuse plus room temperature superconductors equals a new planet..

.....Bill
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9 of 18
June 18, 2010
Mbadgero, try this link: http://www.case.rpi.edu/home.html
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June 18, 2010
http://thermomax.com/Efficiency.php shows evacuated tubes having fairly good efficiency even in hazy conditions.
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June 18, 2010
Hi All:

Evacs do... but they are also non-concentrating....

.....Bill
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12 of 18
June 18, 2010
I always see articles from people espousing the benefits of using geothermal and sucking up the heat from the earth.

I'm no geologist, and maybe the movement of the tectonic plates continuous generates heat (though I doubt it), so what happens when you suck all the heat from mother earth? Does the magnetic field stop? Does the earth stop spinning? What else might go wrong. This all sounds like a bad idea to me. Better to take the heat/energy from the sun I thinks.

Graham
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13 of 18
June 18, 2010
Thanks Jennifer,

I see how they work; the fresnel lenses are removed in the photo.

To Graham,

The Earth gets its heat from three sources: radioactive decay, tidal forces and dense matter falling to the center of the Earth.

Radioactive decay is probably the largest heat source, and when its gone, its gone, whether we use the heat or not.

The techtonic plates 'float' on the semi-liquid magma and shift around. Tidal forces have an effect, but they are not the main source of heating. Tidal forces will eventually stop the Earth from spinning, but not for billions of years.

Matter falling to the center of the earth probably provides little heating now, since the dense matter is mostly already there (not all of it, there is still heavy metals on the surface: gold, tungsten and even iron).

The magnetic field of the Earth stops and reverses all on its own on an irregular schedule.

Micky
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14 of 18
June 19, 2010
Graham is a comedian. Fairly sure he is the same person who thinks sucking oil out of this planets surface is going to affect the earths rotation. I hope he hasn't discounted the every time we blast off into space in the day time it pushes us away from the sun.
On a serious note solar PV should be made into pannels that form a water proof roof and work in conjunction with modern trusses to become structural then remove the heat from the back for hot water and increase the PV efficiency.
5 birds with one stone, electricity, hot water, structural component, weather proof roof and something designers / architects can work with.
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15 of 18
June 20, 2010
@"Consumer Energy Alliance" (i.e., greenwashed front for traditional energy lobbyists): Yes, price indeed. Once we include the presently externalized costs of fossil energy (global climate change, environmental degradation & cleanup, species depletion, health degradation, to name a few), we see that we're ALREADY paying too much for the status quo, and have been for generations. Energy is going to become MORE expensive, not LESS, no matter what scenario is put forward. Peak Oil makes that inevitable. Our fossil dependence is the surest road to ruin.
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June 22, 2010
It's good to see price being discussed at some length. Clever designs around high tech materials will become really clever when poor people start to be able to afford them.

Regarding the currents subject, some of the places with the highest winter insolation are also very cold in winter. Not surprisingly they tend to become war zones. In my opinion we won't have won until the unfortunate inhabitants can afford to buy combined solar heat and power units for their dwellings.
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June 22, 2010
Note--Heat in the earth's crust is also solar. At mid latitudes solar penetration of the crust is about 25 feet. Ground source heat pumps using horizontal loops around 6 to 8 feet deep are mostly solar thermal !
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June 28, 2010
Envision Solar (EVSI), this going to be a very profitable company….They are turning the traditional solar panel(ugly and hidden),into something that can be placed in plain site, and used as a shade tree along with the practicality of utilizing green solar energy. Even if revenues don't increase huge in the next few quarters, the demand for their products will increase over time. And getting one contract for them can be a huge project

Check out some of their concepts in these short videos…

http://envisionsolar.com/video/

EVSI.OB had it's IPO about 2 months ago"
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