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Warming Up?: Large-Scale Solar Water Heating in North America

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1 of 7
May 25, 2010
Blah blah blah. Build and market a better product and the customers will come.

The government and tax credits stifle innovation and distort free markets. Government incentives reward mediocrity.

When I visited my aunt in Miami in the 1940s, she and almost everyone in her neighborhood had solar water heaters...with no help from the nanny-state.
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2 of 7
May 25, 2010
Iggy misses an important point. Reading "A Golden Thread" would clarify any issues about 'Nanny states.' It wasn't the action or inaction by any government that placed or removed the water heaters way back when. Corporate interests intervened to remove that solar competition, and still spend campaign contributions to maintain this newer status quo.
We need to go one step further, or we just wobble back and forth across an old line.
It is a good thing that we revive a technology that is already proven and economic (yes, economic). Daylighting is another technolgy that is already proven and economic, and it has made a quiet comeback. Largely unnoticed and with no direct opposition from Electric Utilities.
Combining such proven and economic technolgies is the nest step and Futura Solar has a roofing system with 3.2 such benefits available. Payback period may be the worst metric possible (and never applied to SUV's or big screen TV's), but dividing the payback period by 3.2 removes a lot of objections.
Daylighting the factory floor, heat for whatever process is taking place, incidental space conditioning & heat recovery (form people, machines & outside air), and a choice of PV and/or SWH.
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3 of 7
May 26, 2010
Swimming pools are unique because they are bigger than a household hot water heater and the pool itself serves as the heated water storage container. Forget outdoor pools, they are generally seasonal and mostly unheated. All indoor pools are heated year round. A typical 50-meter x 25-yard pool at your favorite college or municipality may contain 750,000 gallons of water. Heating it costs about $300,000 a year.

The vast majority of heat is lost to evaporation and required ventilation, not thermal insulation. Annual evaporation from an active pool this size maintained at 80-degrees will be about 1-million gallons. The solar hot water system, depending on size, might contribute $50,000 a year in alternative heating with a payback of 6 years. But placing a vapor barrier energy blanket on the pool 8 hours at night will save another $100,000 by retaining existing energy and water that would normally be lost overnight. Payback on the blanket handling system is only about 6 months. Energy blankets stopping evaporation are the first practical step in pursuing solar water heating efficiency and water conservation for pools.
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4 of 7
May 26, 2010
I have a heat pump hot water heat. It uses far less electricity than a conventional electric. Here is an example; http://www.rheem.com/Products/tank_water_heaters/hpwh/hpwhcontractor/

So why not couple a PV solar panel or two with a heat pump hot water heater? You could also include battery storage (ideally it would be a pure dc system such that you don't have to experience the DC to AC power conversion loss). I haven't worked through the numbers, but it would appear that this is a much simpler installation (no messy plumbing) and I think it actually might be cheaper.

If someone would like to work on this with me, let me know.
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5 of 7
May 26, 2010
An excellent article on the current state of solar thermal in the US. In response to the questions posed:

Unfortunately, solar water heating (SWH) does not make the meter spin backwards, which is the single most attractive feature for PV purchasers. This will never change, because while thermal produces energy and therefore reduces energy consumption and GHG emissions, it does not produce electrons. It produces energy. What is not recognized is that SWH and PV are indistiguishable for someone who does not know what type of system is on their roof - they only know that household or business operating costs go down.

PV's high upfront cost is declining, however balance of system (BOS) costs continue to rise. The same is true for solar thermal. Labor, materials, insurance, overhead, etc. - none of these are likely to decline in coming years. So, if one could give the solar panels away for free, there is still a substantial cost for the installation of a solar system, whether it is a solar thermal or PV system. Lack of public awareness of the benefits of solar thermal vs PV is an issue, a solar thermal workforce absence is not a significaqnt issue, as long as training is available from several well-established facilities in the US, and permitting is an issue that needs to be addressed on an individual state level through legislation and regulation by local stakeholders.

It is not realistic to excpect that installed solar system prices will decline in the furture.

Will costs for certification of collectors and systems decline?
Will costs for collectors, pumps, storage tanks, valves, etc. decline?
Will the cost of insurance, labor, overhead, etc. decline?

These are all issues that should be considered by all stakeholders in this issue.

Les Nelson
Chair, Solar Thermal Division
Solar Energy Industries Association
lnelson@westernrenewables.com
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CEA
May 27, 2010
Another example of how simple methods can easily help lessen our dependence on fossil fuels. Ancient civilizations have been using the sun for years. In this modern era, we are learning how to re adapt these old methods to meet the challenges of today. The sun is a free source of energy (so far), and simple tools such as water heating should be more readily used.
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July 5, 2010
Please, review...
Business Summary
I have developed a patentable system, a solar floor heating in Winter, cooling in Summer and hot water supply for bathing and cleaning, year-round, with the option of warming pool's water, that costs slightly higher than conventional systems, but with reduced recurring monthly energy expenses by up to 50%, and lower life-cycle cost.
Target Market
Since it is an integrated, green and safe system, that can be used for refurbishing existing buildings & for new building construction for small & medium size buildings, target market will include all kinds of buildings, such as housing, commercial, industrial, government & army buildings.
This system is expected to provide middle-class people the opportunity to experience more convenient home & work environment that are previously only the rich could afford.
Marketing and Sales
As a new design and process, we have to educate customers, by visiting & inviting them to see our prototypes, supply brochures, building an easy to navigate, informative web site that can provide solutions to different client requirements for both existing buildings & new construction, present lectures, display our products in exhibitions, issue press releases and build friendly customers relationship.
Market Penetration Strategy
Before being able to sell our integrated system, we will start our marketing & sales process with the easiest, fastest and cheapest systems to replace old central heating boilers for refurbishing existing buildings, in addition to provide daily hot water supply for large buildings & in cold weather conditions, to generate quick revenues and profits.
Competitors
Renewable energy systems, such as PV and Wind energy, provide electricity, but "exclude" heating, cooling and hot water supply system costs!!!
Sustainable, Competitive Advantage
Our system is inexpensive, doesn't need a backup, the most cost-effective solar system, a simple, durable technology that ensure a long service life, that c
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