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Integrating Solar: CSP and Gas Turbine Hybrids

By David Appleyard, Associate Editor
May 28, 2010   |   9 Comments
An interesting move to increase solar integration is underway in North Africa and the Middle East, where a number of CSP and gas-fired combined cycle hybrids are under development.

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1 of 9
June 1, 2010
Please bear with me when I say that at first sight the idea of using exhaust air from the turbine to make steam, seem to me to make no sense whatsoever. Neither, I notice, does the whatever it is, that pushes the air through the solar heater, and thence and air turbine, get a mentioned anywhere. This part will of course require energy to move it.
The rotor of Steam turbine looks to be about a million times heftier than it needs be to, in order to withstand the few kg forces from the steam flow.
A sensible gas-turbine cycle uses the exhaust gas via a heat-exchanger, to pre-heat the air into the Solar heater. It makes no sense whatsoever to put most of this thermal energy to latent heat of steam.
This scheme looks like total Bullshit, and I would like to challenge it's proponents to show that it is not.
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June 1, 2010
bertwindon: You really need to study up on the basics of gas turbines.

The nature of the underlying thermodynamics is that the exhaust from the machine is hot, as in about 1000 F. This energy can be recovered by creating steam and running it through a steam turbine/generator. The efficiency of the "combined-cycle" approaches 60% and far exceeds that of conventional thermal power plants.

Using solar energy to heat up steam from the "combined-cycle" can increase power production a few percent. However, the incremental capital cost of the solar addition is relatively expensive, with a reasonable return on the investment highly dependent on having a lot of solar energy available.

PS. The steam turbine is for the combined-cycle power plant and not particularly affected by the solar add-on.

Also, the temperature of the fluid heated by solar energy is physically limited to around 700 F. Gas turbines fire at temperatures of over 2500 F with the compressed air entering the gas turbine's combustor at a temperature of around 800 F. Air heated by solar energy is not useful to the basic gas turbine cycle, but can be useful for the steam portion of a combined-cycle plant.

In conclusion David Appleyard's article is sound. Your comments are off-base.
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June 1, 2010
The technology referenced in the article has been around for years and the major savings is from sharing the same steam turbine. Otherwise the hybrid is a separate CSP Solar and Combined cycle plants sharing the same steam turbine. However, quietly being developed is the use of Solar Direct Steam technology. All of the synthetic heat transfer fluid and associated pumps and exchangers go away. A Solar Direct Steam/Combine Cycle Hybrid only requires solar collection assemblies, receivers and integration into the control system, all other equipment is common.
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June 2, 2010
The trough technology I was referring does not have a liquid phase and is very simple and uses the thermodynamic properties of an EXISTING superheated steam flow. A superheated steam flow is attemporated to saturation temperatures by the introduction of water by a spray. The water evaporates to steam and is then resuperheated by Solar Direct Steam receivers. About 17% to 33% additional steam can be produced with minimal capital expenditures as compared to conventional 80s technology solar. Do the math.
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June 2, 2010
I don't think Cameo will be the first integration of solar and coal-fired thermal. Liddell power station in Australia has 5 MW of CSP steam integrated into a conventional coal-fired plant.
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Just for the record and the author's info the Colorado coal plant with CSP is not the first such plant. There is a CSP facility using Fresnel reflectors operating at the Liddell coal plant in New South Wales.
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June 4, 2010
Thanks Martin, more details on this project may be found here:

http://www.macgen.com.au/News/2006News/LiddellSolarProjectUpdate.aspx
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June 30, 2010
Comision Federal de Electricidad, the Mexican Government utility has recently issued a solicitation for a 12 MW parabolic through field to supplement the steam production of a new 171 MW gas-fired combined cycle generation facility to be located in Agua Prieta, Sonora. The tender documents can be found at:
http://www.cfe.gob.mx/proveedores/licitaciones/Paginas/Licitaciondelprimercamposolar.aspx
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August 11, 2010
Martin Nicholson, Not sure if you noticed, but New South Wales is not in the US as the article stated "In August 2009 Abengoa Solar announced that it is to build the first US CSP installation integrated with a coal-fired plant".
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