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Stirling Is Gold

By Nancy Spring Senior Editor, Power Engineering magazine
April 21, 2010   |   12 Comments
Departments: Renewable Utility

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1 of 12
April 22, 2010
I live near a 360 MW solar trough power plant and have been following development of various solar power technologies for many years. I think this product is outstanding in that it can be installed in medium or large scale, and especially because it doesn't use water in the process (as the various Rankine cycle plants do). It's an inherent fact that solar power is most appropriate in the desert without cloud cover, but that's where water is scarce. Congratulations to SES and Tessera for making this happen!
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2 of 12
April 23, 2010
That is good news! I have been in contact for dishes to be installed in France, but am too small for Tessera Solar yet. If they begin with hundreds of MW, it will be difficult for distributed production. Hope it will be before 2017! How much does a dish cost now? This is the major point to be competitive on the market. I target 25k$ apiece...When?
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3 of 12
April 23, 2010
So I have read, Stirling engines do not create much torque for the amount of energy input. Also to get the maximum amount of power, there should be a cooling source to create more of a differential between the hot and cold. Cooling takes electric power for fan coolers and electric power and water for cooling towers. The same is true for the Rankine cycle engines.

Another problem is when the sun does not shine, the system shuts down unless huge battery packs are used. The Solar Furnace CHP system uses hot oil for energy storage, so electric power can be generated with a Rankine engine at night and on cloudy days. Some of the electric power is used for a fan cooler (no water) which can run at night when the ambient air temperature is lower and one gets a boost of energy efficiency because of the temperature differential. The cooling is stored either in a ice crystal bath or in cold oil which can be parsed to the cooling system during the day. See: http://solarfurnacechp.wetpaint.com/
Jim Miller
jimmilleer5417@yahoo.com
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4 of 12
April 23, 2010
These large systems require connection to the grid which preserves the monopoly power of the utility companies and allows those companies to dictate the rates and terms of service. The solution, as suggested by one commenter, is to have a widely distributed "locavore" solar energy system, based on solar thermal energy, not PV energy. If we are ever to break free of the monopoly power of the large utilities which control the state PUC's, then each industrial plant, commercial building and farm will need its own source of low cost, solar energy. That is one of the design principles of the Solar Furnace CHP system. See: http://solarfurnacechp.wetpaint.com/

The real problem is lack of access to capital markets for inventions such as smaller CHP systems. The money folks know that the economic power of a monopoly is huge as compared to competitive power, so the money goes to the big players and the little guys never get their projects funded. Now you know why our country is in such an energy crisis – its not from lack of solar and other power sources, but the unwillingness of the federal government and the big money folks to back small, competitive enterprises. They don't walk the talk. When that problem is solved, we will have plenty of cheap electric power.
Jim Miller
jimmilleer5417@yahoo.com
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5 of 12
April 23, 2010
I am interested in the capital cost of a modular 25 kW CSP unit, and how it compares with the photovoltaic system and other alternate energy production systems of the capacity.

Thanks
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6 of 12
April 23, 2010
I have been a proponent of the sterling dish since inception and new that it would find it's place amid possible surpass all PV generation of the future…would like to use it here in Glynn County Ga. for I have a proposal to build MegaWatt Generation station for Southern Company....
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7 of 12
April 23, 2010
Three PowerDish™ of INFINA installed at the city center Belen New Mexico is the solar energy driven stand alone Stirling free-piston linear alternator with 96% efficiency GOML™ dish and platelet type radiation cavity receiver, has achieved 24% efficiency which is the highest of all the commercially available solar systems. www.stirling-motor.com
prabakar@stirling-motor.com
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8 of 12
April 23, 2010
Jim Miller's suggestions are good. Some form of thermal storage and cooling system would help. Instead of storing heat during the day, an alternative approach is to store coolth during the night. In desert areas radiative cooling during the night is very effective. Cold water, for example, can be stored and used to provide the cold reservoir for the Stirling engines during the day.
Charles de Matas
charles.dematas@sta.uwi.edu
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9 of 12
April 23, 2010
My company is seeking investors to help us demonstrate our biomass thermal energy system joined to a Stirling engine to generate distributed energy or gas-to-liquids system such as Standard Alcohol's Envirolene generation technology.

For more on our biomass and waste fired combustion or gasification system contact us at info@aaecorp.com

Les Blevins
Advanced Alternative Energy
Lawrence Kansas
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10 of 12
April 23, 2010
If it's gold it's fools gold. From what I hear they have 12 full-time mechanics there to keep 60 dishes going. Sounds to me like they'd single-handedly solve the unemployment situation up east of Barstow with their
34,000 dishes, should need about 9,000 mechanics to keep the suncatchers going in the high desert winds(sandy too) plus the routine 100 degree F
days in those Mojave desert summers.

If I owned the stock I'd consider shorting it, right before they open up Calico.

Morongobill
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11 of 12
June 9, 2010
Hi there - I'm an MBA student doing research on the financial feasibility of certain renewable energies, and I'm having particular trouble in one area I was hoping someone could help me with. I am searching for an estimated cost structure/breakdown for a Stirling dish engine (25 kw output for instance).

So.. cost of

Dish
mirror facets (if separate from dish)
Power conversion unit
pedestal
tracker
Other significant cost components

Total capital cost.

Also does anyone know just how much it would cost to maintain one of these? How often do you need to clean it and at what cost? How often do parts need to be replaced and at what cost? How much labor goes into maintaining one? I understand that these O&M costs could vary based on location / output / land conditions etc, but an estimate is very welcome.

If anyone has any info please email me at ddeshpan@gmail.com

Thank you so much!
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12 of 12
October 1, 2011
Remote villages in India face two overlapping challenges.
A) Supplying the energy needs of the community including collecting energy, storing it and then converting it to the desired form.
B) Creating a sustainable food supply especially on sites inappropriate for year-round open-air organic growing. Developed over many years by Jürgen Kleinwächter & his team at Sunvention, the Solar Power Village solution is designed as part of meeting both the above challenges that is A) & B) challenges. A brief description at:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duuk_r--lqU
Prabakar
Director C-STAR & KEYTECH Energy Consultancy (P) Ltd.
Promoter Sunvention™ Machines
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