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Thinking Smarter about Renewables on the Grid

By Keith Redfern, GE Energy
April 19, 2010   |   12 Comments
Gearing up the grid for renewables integration.

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1 of 12
April 21, 2010
The grid also needs to be ready for expansion of the grid across Europe and North Africa etc. as in the Desertec project:

http://www.desertec-uk.org.uk/

This means that the Sahara can be contributing solar energy (24 hours) and wind energy to Europe when our renewables are not providing sufficient.
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2 of 12
April 21, 2010
It seems to me that depending on such an intricate and expansive IT communication system with so many variables is like betting on the weather; wouldn't it be better to incorporate massive storage that could level out the renewables, while providing load opportunity at night and offer minute by minute dispatch during high demand?
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3 of 12
April 21, 2010
Start putting renewables against towns that are grid connected but remote from coal fired power. Put in enough capacity to provide the town with all its power and to use the full capacity of the existing transmission to send the power back towards the coal fired power station. Do the same at the next town towards the coal fired source. Adapt the existing grid so no need to build any new wires to do this. Also avoids the energy loss from long distance transmission from existing coal fired power stations to remote towns. Keep building towards the major power stations from which there is huge grid capacity for distribution o major cities.
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4 of 12
April 21, 2010
paul-hanly
Doesn't quite work that way, the variability of the renewables require some sort of control and to avoid curtailment or ramping up and down with gas fired peakers, which are not carbon neutral,storage is the only answer to avoid waste.
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5 of 12
April 21, 2010
A better start would be to disconnect businesses from the grid altogether. Take a Walmart for example, a Walmart could use a fuel cell or microturbine, powered by NG or biofuel, to generate all of its power needs and use the heat form the turbines or fuel cells for cooling and refrigeration. If the Walmart could sell excess electricity to the shopping center the Walmart store is located in the Walmart could make extra profit on the excess energy sales.

All the government would need to do is cut taxes 100% for the installation, infrastructure, labor and equipment that Walmart used to upgrade their infrastructure with. Then the government could cut the taxes for the sale and purchase of the renewable power, from Walmart to the shopping mall. This metod could be used in shopping malls, strip centers, grocery stores ect.. across the country.

As for utilities using renewable the same tax cuts should be made available for utilities and ALL businesses that use renewable sources and build infrastructure for renewable power generation.

Get the big government solutions off the table and let the private sector go for the $$$ green.
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6 of 12
April 21, 2010
There are widely available renewables that are dispatchable and can smooth out the varibility of those that are not dispatchanle and these renewables can address many local problems like waste management and mostly eliminate the need for more wires and the need for expensive energy storage systems.

Les Blevins
Advanced Alternative Energy
LBlevins@aaecorp.com
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7 of 12
April 21, 2010
les

we need all of them to reach energy independence but I don't believe we have the infrastructure to utilize them for load management. Curtailment is just as big of issue as our energy needs and the way to handle that is with the ability to store and dispatch on a minute by minute basis. Also I don't think car batteries will do the trick either; people won't be pleased if they can't get home from work. (which by the way is in the middle of peak demand) It's a fact that American's comfort level is more important than a few dollars saved; if it was otherwise recreation would be on the rocks.
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8 of 12
April 21, 2010
Les

The best renewable I've seen is small hydro that can back feed a system with constant energy; most of these are found in rural America. Along with that there exists the need to capture the other rural energy sources however those that are carbon based or contribute any ghg should be regulated to the transportation system to relieve the need for fossil fuels. Bio fuels, methane recovery and others should be aimed at reducing oil consumption not generation. Solar, wind and hydro coupled with strategically placed massive storage that can also act as load can handle energy security and future needs.
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9 of 12
April 21, 2010
Turn the grid into one big hybrid system with legacy conventional generation, new renewable power, and strategically located storage. Storage is expensive, so careful optimization is important to keep the costs reasonable. The National Renewable Energy Laboartory developed the HOMER model (www.homerenergy.com) to make it easy for people to see how this can all fit together. That's mostly been used for smaller systems, but it still gives a lot of insight relevant to larger sytems.

Peter Lilienthal, Ph.D.
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10 of 12
April 23, 2010
russ
The storage is available- about 25000mw's in the west is in various stages of the licensing process at this time; that enough to stabilize 60000mw's of wind, though the first project won't be on line until late 2015, early 2016.
These are strategically placed closed loop pumped storage, removed from the aquatic resource, nearly environmentally benign, and located near major transmission. Google Symbiotics Energy
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11 of 12
April 27, 2010
Surely it must be acknowledged that such a project is of great importance to man the XXI century. I hope that any emerging concerns and questions you will find your answer already for 20 years? I would say in 20 years that it was worthwhile to invest in the expansion of the electricity grid and renewable technologies.
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12 of 12
July 8, 2010
It is time for it to get smart.Smartening the grid goes hand in hand with speeding up our data infrastructure. http://www.globalwarming360.net/
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