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Who Holds the Power?

By Jennifer Runyon, Managing Editor
March 26, 2010   |   27 Comments
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts grapples with solar energy certification.

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"We want to make sure that the consumer has full trust in what we are doing."

-- Chris Kilfoyle, Berkshire Photovoltaic Services
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1 of 27
March 26, 2010
Solar installation and electric integration,
Combines roofing knowledge, with wiring to the grid,
A license now is needed, all regulations heeded,
For the job to be well done needs skills that are hybrid.
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2 of 27
March 28, 2010
This is another interesting chapter in this story which has been unfolding in Massachusetts over the last year. As the state government continues to prioritize the implementation of renewables, especially solar, and as the solar industry continues to mature into a viable profession from a cottage hobby, certain consumer protections will need to be in place - appropriate licensing for tradespeople, sensible and consistent permitting processes, and training for building officials who inspect these systems.

Leading companies certainly want to follow the rules and ensure their staff are OSHA 10 trained, their electricians hold the correct licenses, and their installation staff and project managers hold CSL (construction supervisor licenses) or similar for the work they do.

However; there is still so much gray area in interpreting the NEC (national electric code) concerning where the exact part of the installation becomes the jurisdiction of master or journeyman-level electricians work. Let's keep the conversation moving forward in a civil manner. There is a lot of work to go around, and with the economy the way it is, I certainly feel for the plight of many tradesmen who are looking for jobs. There are many training opportunities available for low or no cost to become familiar with the specifics of PV systems. It is a very specialized installation and I encourage anyone interested to investigate their local options at community colleges or workforce development centers to find out how to get involved.
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3 of 27
March 28, 2010
Jennifer,

Great post! I like it best when you said ""It's really an issue of a downturn in construction jobs and this particular electrical union saying 'gosh, look at all this money coming into the state for renewable energy, we want it all,'" he said."

I couldn't agree more! Most of the work to racking system that the panels sit on is much more apt for a roofer or carpenter then an electrician. I say this from personal work experience installing solar.

I can't wait for the law to pass, Connecticut has an amazing licensing program, where they have a P1 and P2 below their electricians licensing, E1s and E2s.

The other reality is that is drives up the costs to consumers, a really bad thing if we want to increase the adoption of solar.

Can't wait to see how it develops.
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4 of 27
March 29, 2010
Well said, Adrian.

I am a 25+ year licensed electrician who has been heavily involved in the solar industry for over 4 years, as an electrical subcontractor to solar integrators.

I have the utmost respect and appreciation for the seasoned veteran PV integrators, most of whom were well versed with PV long before there was money to be made with it. I have no problem providing my necessary licensed electrical skills working in tandem with a reputable experienced PV integrator.

The NABCEP training, which we are providing for all employees, focuses on 3 main areas; solar design, mechanical integration, and electrical integration. Electricians are prepared only for the latter. If they really want to get involved in the PV industry, then they should obtain the training and certifications to do so.
This is not happening, as evident by the extremely limited number of NABCEB certified installers, none of whom were licensed electricians prior.
I have seen so many changes in the electrical industry over my career. A journeyman or Master's license paints the industry with a very broad brush, and specialty licensing is overdue. There is not an electrician out there who can broadly claim proficiency in all areas of an extremely mult-faceted industry. Interestingly enough, roofing contractors, who are merely proficient in the mechanical integration, are making the same " this is our turf" claim.
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5 of 27
Any type of wiring for solar should be done by a electrician, put your time in and get a license. Just because solar is the in thing now, doesn't mean you can just forget about proper trainning and safety. String voltages can reach near 600 volts, and is a matter of time before one of these "intergrators" are killed. Then everyboy will be like " gee maybe you should be a electrician.....
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6 of 27
March 29, 2010
It is rediculous to think that only electricians can install PV systems especially when we have people trained specifically trained for PV installation. Some electrians do not have a clue. I have met some of them.
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7 of 27
March 29, 2010
i have not met a electrician who wants to go on a roof. even a e2, or apprentice does not want to go on a roof and wear a harness. solar was easy and has always been easy. most installers use a electrician to do the final plug in anyway. this law should be thrown out and costs lowered. imaging paying a electrician $60 a hour to do the roof racking? then solar will cost another $3000 more. Are people serious about spreading solar to more than 50% of the population or not? hopefully the crazies who passed this law will be underwater when the oceans rise.
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8 of 27
March 30, 2010
It's no different in Spain. As a non electrician integrator, of course I use an electrician for the specialist bits. I'd fail the public liability insurance "post mortem" otherwise, if ever there was a problem.
But what bugs me is that unless I am an electrician to start with, I can't get the solar "add on" certificate. Without that certificate I cannot apply for government grants on behalf of my customers.
So I just have to trim my margins, but by only a little though, as most certified installers seem to have higher prices. Hhmm
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9 of 27
March 30, 2010
In the UK market seems you are now required, that you need as an electrician a special qualification. In 2008 when I was doing the new 18th Edition IEE Regulation, nothing was mentioned about this.

Well again the government was boasting how it helps with renewables, offering grants for various equipment.

When you ask for the grants even ONE SECOND AFTER, you are informed "Sorry not are now available".

When I received an e-mail from an architect I am now working with, he ended his e-mail with HA HA HA.

So governments keep changing the rules, to suit themselves and not the common person.

Where the regulations are much more, stringent than working at a height.

SAFETY IN ANYTHING is more important, than whether you make lots of money.
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Anonymous
March 30, 2010
Solar belongs in the hands of electricians, bottom line. This is not a "new" industry it is only growing in popularity and the growth of this industry is nothing without electricians. The IBEW help to make this country what it is today and we should support them in this green revolution. Solar is not a technical skill, the designing of the systems is technical, the installation is about following step by step instructions.

I say if you want to keep up in this industry, you'd better know how to design these systems and make sure you have the help of electricians on staff because they will be our solar installers.
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11 of 27
March 30, 2010
What a stupid regulation!
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12 of 27
March 30, 2010
When thermal was the fad in the last solar boom plumbers were the trade of choice. PV is invogue now and really should be wired by an licensed Electrican, with a great roof person that has been trained to rack and penatrate the roof.
The Solar installation industry needs to take a long look at the future of solar installation. When the PV/T panel becomes invogue hopefully we as the journeyman tradsman has trained the up and coming solar installers to have all the basics.
NABCEP does share information on installing with a fee, no hands on experience is needed to be acredited. I beleive we are going in the proper direction to give the consumer a great finish product that will last.

Frank Howes
GC
30 years Solar Installations
a-1energysolutions@hotmail.com
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13 of 27
March 30, 2010
George Washington once said:" Government is not eloquent, it is not reason, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
The unions will try to capture what they can. The people will pay the price.

At what voltage does DC electricity become lethal? Does anyone really know? I often contact over 100 volts DC with bare hands.
I knew of an electrician who was afraid to touch the posts of a car battery. He probably experienced feedback from an induction breaker in the circuit.

ribblet: Solar thermal still has the greater ROI in the new age of solar equipment. It just isn't sparkey enuf to interest fearmongers with vested interests to protect.
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14 of 27
PH
March 30, 2010
As a licensed electrical engineer in CA, and just waiting on word regarding a MA project to start the licensing process in MA, I am breaking into the commercial solar market in the engineering capacity. I built my own home system, and so have first hand experience in this work. It is ground-mounting and considered one of the best in No. CA.

There is no need for the electrician to hog the entire installation. I believe that there is work for several specialties, Certainly the properly licensed electrician should take the lead in equipment installation, wiring, and tie-in to the electrical service. Then, for commercial systems, a separate entity needs to perform the commissioning process to assure the owner that he got what he is paying for.

For a roof-top system, a properly qualified and licensed roofer should install the roof mounting equipment and be responsible for roof watertightness, after a civil or structural engineer certifies its structural adequacy.

For a ground mount system, a civil engineer should design the foundation, which any good contractor should be able to install.

All these things need to be coordinated by the lead contractor, who would be ultimately responsible to the owner for a successful project and would generate the proper paperwork for rebates, etc., and provide warranty services.
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
Yeah leave it to the government to mess things up. I totally agree that an electrician should tie in and do the hardwiring and conduit work. leave it to the solar integrator to do the rest. and the GC to make sure it all gets done for the customer. Very few electricians want to get on a roof or start pouring concrete. That is not their area of expertise.

"It's really an issue of a downturn in construction jobs and this particular electrical union saying 'gosh, look at all this money coming into the state for renewable energy, we want it all,"

This sounds like a union, I can't even bid on a union job where I live and that is not right. Some union lobbyist got to the representatives in Mass. house and this is the result. rediculous, leave the solar to the solar contractor!! Most panels are plug in now anyway my 7 yr old daughter could do it safely!
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
I hold both a Master Electrician's and Construction Supervisor's license in Massachusetts and I am all for requiring a licensed electrician's involvement from the start of a PV installation. As the permit holder we are responsible for both DC and AC side of the installation including the most important part bonding. Why an E.C. would put his license on the line taking responsibility for wiring not done by them or their employee is beyond me. I also hold Master Electrician Licenses in 5 other states including one that has grand fathered pool contractors as Solar Installers because they installed panels on roofs to circulate pool water through them for heat, show me where that is covered in the N.E.C.. The NABCEP certification is something I am pursuing because many Utilities require it to do installs in their territory but in no way is it anywhere near the equivalent of the qualifications needed to be a Master Electrician. PV systems are electrical generation systems covered by the N.E.C. and Electricians should only take responsibility for the wiring they actually installed. This doesn't mean they have to purchase and install the panels and racking system just complete the connections and bonding they are getting inspected.
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
As someone who has been in the solar PV business long before it actually was a business,never had a license,received only praise and more projects for my work ,that included work at higher than 600v and enough amps to run a steel mill, I'm still among the living, I have always been amused at how the technology is always talked about like it is some high tech,dangerous and complicated system. NABCEP now puts this idea on steroids even though it's no more than the equivalent of ASE certified auto mechanics. Yes I have had lousy work from ASE guys so why is a NABCEP installer better qualified. One of the best designed and installed systems, with anal attention to everything, was done by someone who never saw a license of any type. Any really complicated PV install (there aren't many. Even megawatt that I have designed are just a residential system times X X X)is PE stamped anyway.And just what the hell do we pay the county inspectors for.(in my experience not much) Most of those installations are then just repetitive grunt work that requires no more than the installer to not be hung over from weekend drinking and have a quality attitude toward his work.I have seen licensed electricians who didn't know Ohm's law and simple power calcs especially in DC. Most residential PV systems could be installed with no more real electrical skill than hooking up a modem but NEC,UL, and a nut job named John and the industry in general makes certain that true plug and play remains only a dream. Sure glad I have moved on in PV and solar and can leave all the nit picking childish fighting over turf or whether you passed your test in proper screw driver twisting well behind me.So let the 'keepers of the temple' begin the flaming. I've heard it all before
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18 of 27
March 31, 2010
I'm confused. How does the State Board of Electrical Examiners have so much power that they can make a ruling like this? Can they now say that Electricians must be present for all aspects of building a house? Also, It's becoming apparent that lying is just a part of government and no one gets called out on it anymore. "If you're not qualified to install then you're going to die." A lie, plain and simple, yet no censure.
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
BTW. Has anyone seen photos of the 12 Sunpower's that vaporized (yes they literally vaporized) on the roof of a Home Depot in California and started a fire. Several things happening simultaneously caused it but the real culprit was a nicked wire in EMT and compression fittings along with no expansion joints that caused an arc fault. So how did a license change the lazy electricians attitude or the blind attitude of the inspector? Personally I think the industries' real Achilles heel will eventually be the lack of a good DC arc fault detector. I guess we are all so enamored of preaching 'good bonding' that we can ignore that REAL problem.Let the inspector see a pile of green wires and lay in lugs and you never get a red tag.
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20 of 27
March 31, 2010
I loved the article! Although I am against these kinds of regulations, it is evident that some kind of certification process and/or proof of a valid training program should be required to install solar. I am and have been an IBEW member and supporter for decades, but the Union has done very little to prepare regular electricians for proper solar installation.

I have also taken (and passed) both the NABCEP COK exam and the new ETA PV Installer exam and passed both. Although the ETA exam is more valid for entry level installers, NABCEP has to be given credit for recognizing the need for certification in the first place. Unfortunately, NABCEP has lost sight of its original intent and has devolved into a political entity. The article suggests that the only certification agency available is NABCEP and for whatever reason ignores ETA. Since ETA requires a hands on validation at the entry level, I will only be hiring and training individuals with an ETA cert from now on.

The comments by Anonymous (17) are spot on. Nevertheless, a hands on validation would make a NABCEP certification more valid. The current requirement to sit for the certification is only two installs totaling 2kw. The hands on should be validated by an approved training program where an approved instructor can see the work being done.
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21 of 27
March 31, 2010
More democracy, less bureaucracy.

JPChance.Org
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
How about these apples
In Oregon the rules are that only a Master Licensed electrician can pull a permit and then only journeyman licensed can install. The grunts are not even allowed to touch the modules except to pull them from the box. Why? They argue that the modules get wired so no no no. No touchy! Well why is it that a non electrician can install a heat pump? How about a well pump? How about a furnace? They all use electricity. In general electricians don't even make the final connection that a monkey could do with a little training. The answer is in the fact that all of this nonsense is IBEW and political ,otherwise these vested interests would take the heat and suffer the backlash from those other trades. Just isn't worth the trouble. Not yet anyway.
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23 of 27
March 31, 2010
Seams to me that the UK system where you need to have a certificate to install the PV system which requires relativly little training and then can get a qualified electrician to make the final connection is a sensible way to do the job. One electrician can work with three or four installation teams to do the final connections. In this way the number of electricians available does not severly limit the number of systems which can be installed, but there is still a qualified person making sure that the system is safe.
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Anonymous
April 2, 2010
If we take Mr. Aiken's view to it's logical extreme, electricians will be running foundation installations and building construction. Why? Because there is electrical work involved with building just about any structure. The line seems pretty easy to draw but Mr Aiken, with his bullying tactics (and yes I've seen him in SEBANE meetings being the bully) is pushing the line too far.)
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25 of 27
April 3, 2010
I hope we focus on the real issue at hand - the safe installation of reliable renewable energy systems. Rather than dispute who should be allowed to install solar systems and risk fighting among groups, we should identify the true problem and work together as a community to solve it. Safe installation practices can be taught through job specific training and required hands-on installation. System safety and reliability can be regulated through inspections and required continuing education training. Organizations such as NABCEP and IREC have a vested interest in maintaining consumer safety, system reliability, appropriate job training and properly trained installers. Let's get our organizations to work together to identify the best solutions to help the widespread use of safe and reliable renewable energy systems.

Kristen
http://www.newenglandbreeze.com/
Hudson, MA
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26 of 27
April 5, 2010
Interesting. It is not just electricians and solar panels. Massachusetts has what look very like trade-protection rules around installation of gas fired clothes dryers that we haven't run into anywhere else in the world.
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April 12, 2010
The problem is by virtue of a Construction Supervisor License you solar clowns want to be electrical contractors by default.I can cut a steak real well,maybe Deval Patrick will give me a special surgical license?Just pay the fee.
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