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1 of 11
March 31, 2010
The writer of this article seems to be completely ignorant of or perhaps wishing to ignore the fact that distributed generation from dispatchable fuels (such as biomass and wastes) can overcome the difficult problems of intermittent sources like solar and wind.

Les Blevins
Advanced Altenative Energy
1207 N 1800 Rd.
Lawrence, KS 66049
785-842-1943
LBlevins@aaecorp.com

I suggest reading articles by Tam Hunt and Sarah Patricia Breen

There are many arguments in favor of distributed generation. Centralized generation requires the installation and maintenance of considerable transmission infrastructure which, in addition to being expensive to install and maintain, results in a 7 to 10 percent loss of energy due to transmission over long distances. Increasing the number of generation stations and distributing them over a larger geographic area decreases transmission distances, reducing energy loss and lowering pressure on the energy grid. Distributed generation can increase energy supply security by spreading the load between multiple energy sources, decreasing the likelihood of brownouts or blackouts as a result of the failure of a single energy source. Distributed generation requires some deregulation of the energy sector, allowing energy generation by those other than the major utilities; that is, IPPs.
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2 of 11
March 31, 2010
This politically contrived problem was technologically solved many years ago.

JPChance.Org
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3 of 11
March 31, 2010
Les, don't be cruel.

I'm a big supporter of renewable energy and distributed generation and find nothing wrong with her description of intermittent wind and solar. I also agree with your analysis of the benefits distributed generation (Biomass CHP, Stationary Fuel cell, etc.,) A smarter grid is part of the infrastructure to make all these sources work together. Ultimately it's the energy user who will need information to decide when and how much energy to use and smart means information availability as much as the ability to switch from one source to another.
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Anonymous
March 31, 2010
Before Les places too much faith in biomass to solve all our problems he might want to do a back-of-the-envelope calculation to estimate how much is available. I think he will find there is less than would be needed to meet even current needs (and most of us hope to continue eating some of it). As for distributed generation, that might be fine for rural areas but most people live in cities these days and cannot meet their needs with local resources. Advanced energy management methods and smart grids might well be useful....
Steven
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5 of 11
April 1, 2010
The DOE and DOA did that calculation

Biomass as Feedstock for a Bioenergy and Bioproducts Industry: The Technical Feasibility of a Billion-Ton Annual Supply

The purpose of this report is to determine whether the land resources of the United States are capable of producing a sustainable supply of biomass sufficient to displace 30% or more of the country's present petroleum consumption. This 30% goal was set by a joint advisory committee of the Department of Energy and Department of Agriculture as a vision for making a major contribution to US energy needs. It was determined that it would require approximately one billion dry tons of biomass feedstock per year.

The short answer to whether that much biomass feedstock can be produced on a sustainable basis without disrupting the existing food, fuel and fiber markets is yes.

For more go to;

http://www.eesi.org/publications/Fact%20Sheets/EC_Fact_Sheets/Factoid1.pdf


Thanks

Les Blevins
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Anonymous
April 2, 2010
Les:
Your link is already out of date.

While replacing a portion of transportation fuels in the US with biomass at present demand levels may be sustainable this is not all that is needed. Electricity and heating needs are the bulk of energy demand; if you want to also use biomass to smooth out the variability of intermittent renewables in these areas I think that available resources will come up short. Additionally, the US has a relatively low population density, biomass supplies for Europe, China, and India are more problematic, even at current population levels, which are sure to grow. In short, I don't think there is enough biomass to meet this need. Even if biomass supplies were much large than they are, smart grids might well be the lowest cost solution to intermittency.
Steven
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7 of 11
April 6, 2010
It is encouraging that there is at least some energy being directed towards the "Smart" Grid.

Anything that allows us to get more (and better) information to the end user is a plus.

The amazing in-efficiency of the current system (almost 70% of all produced energy is currently wasted en route or to heat inefficiencies) requires that we figure out a way to "rethink" the current system.

It works amazingly well as it is- it simply is not very efficient. As it is as long as we shovel coal everyone is happy. I think we all can agree that this is short term thinking!

www.SimpleEnergyWorks.com
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8 of 11
April 6, 2010
Let's clear up this issue that some have regarding whether Biomass is a viable alternative to Coal as well as suited for distributed generation (In short, yes. Also, Biomass CHP, Solar, and stationary Fuel Cell are well suited for Metropolitan areas; from large buildings and businesses that are heavy users, to rooftops well suited for Solar Installations);

There are many sustainable plants and trees that can be grown to supply the Biomass including:

• Poplar,
• Willow,
• Cottonwood,
• sand willows (Salix psammophila) http://news.mongabay.com/bioenergy/2007/08/greening-desert-with-biofuels-inner.html

• Miscanthus,
• Switchgrass,
Bamboo, can grow as much as 48 inches in a 24-hour period and has been observed growing 39 inches per hour for brief periods. The plants can grow to full height in 3-4 months but die naturally on a six-year cycle.

• Jatropha,
• Agave: In semi-desert areas, specially adapted plants like Agave can be grown with no irrigation. Agave stores water in its leaves and heart so that it can continue growing through the long dry seasons that are common in the tropics.

• Eucalyptus and
• Legumes such as Leucaena and Moringa that can be grown on dry arid land.

This Link works for the Billion Ton Biomass report (& there are many other more recent reports which a google search will easily pull up;)

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/pdfs/final_billionton_vision_report2.pdf

In addition: Torrefactioned Biomass has the energy density and water resistance of Coal. Torrefaction is the heating of Biomass to 270 degrees; allow it to have the same energy density and moisture resistance as Coal.
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9 of 11
April 6, 2010
Multiple DOE Biomass Presentations 2009

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/biomass/biomass_2009_track_1.html
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Anonymous
April 7, 2010
The purpose of Smart Meters is "demand control," not "distributed energy." Fort Collins Utilities (mid-sized city north of Boulder,CO) plans to buy 21,000 Smart Meters, even though it has a "organic contract" through 2040 with its power supplier to insure that there are no competitors in power production. Such assurance is needed to keep bond rates low to finance those Smart Meters. And Smart Grid advocates forget that Smart Meters mean central utility control over your furnace thermostat, hot water heater, and air conditioner, all in the name of this "demand management."

The Department of Energy Smart Grid grant to Fort Collins Utilities includes 10,000 meters which give customers all the wonderful information we'd like to have. But the grant includes another 10,000 meters which just control thermostats directly.

Is the DOE is doing an experiment in Fort Collins on behalf of large utility companies to see which meter works better to manage demand without compromising energy use (income) too much? If so, it's hardly a fair experiment, unless the Fort Collins City Council passes electric rates which penalize electricity use at high demand times. (This is politically difficult.) Of course, maybe it's more a psychological experiment: will they buy this level of control?

Plus, what would happen to the Gas Grid if if all the thermostats were turned to 85F on a sub-zero day? Linking the Electric Grid to the Gas Grid via Smart Grid thermostat-control could add vulnerability to heat distribution, worse than a power outage in the winter...


The Electric Grid, dramatically expanded in the 65 years since WWII, has created an extremely manageable American population. A move AWAY from this grid is strongly advised, given the ongoing military buildup of the nation which now funds our federal government, China. Or is Australia the only nation keeping an eye on these things?
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Anonymous
April 9, 2010
The report given in the link of comment 9 by Emile suggests sustainable biomass harvesting in the US could yield 1.3 billion dry tons. This is enough to supply only a modest portion of our total energy needs and will likely involve considerable expense compared to conventional fuels and efficient renewables. Furthermore, the US has a better supply of biomass than most other countries so worldwide biomass can supply a significantly smaller fraction of total demand. We are going to need other solutions, and should be working on those now--a smart grid is one such possibility.
Steven
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