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Making a Case for Flywheel Energy Storage

By Drew Devitt, New Way Energy LLC
March 1, 2010   |   23 Comments

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1 of 23
March 1, 2010
Your company has a very interesting product. I'm guessing you've done the math on its energy consumption and think it would be viable for flywheel applications? Would that be high speed low diameter systems or larger momentum-heavy systems?

You guys should see if you can get a pressure container and a jet into a table-hockey puck and have your sales reps give them out :-)
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2 of 23
Anonymous
March 1, 2010
Drew, I applaude your writting skills. I appreciate everything you stated. Please check out my company @ www.energenicsgroup.com. I think your technology would fit into my EDPS system.
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3 of 23
Anonymous
March 2, 2010
This article makes a fair case for the existence of a need for frequency regulation, but it does not do much to suggest that flywheels are an appropriate choice to achieve that goal....
Steven
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4 of 23
March 2, 2010
Good article, good points. You point out that lithium ion is $2 million for one MWHr, however there are other systems available for less. We sell the vanadium redox battery, and a VRB-ESS would provide 1 MW for 4 hours for less than $4 million - and it could provide the same cycling as a flywheel or li-ion, plus unlimited full charge cycles of up to 4 hours for more than 10 years. That is a significant change in economics. www.utility-savings.com
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Anonymous
March 3, 2010
By the way, Beacon Power has already started building frequency regulation plants in New England.
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6 of 23
March 3, 2010
I don't folow the arithmetics of the launch system :
To propulse a body at 100m/sec ( 220 miles/h )in 2 secondes require an
acceleration of 50 m/sec² and for 20 tons a force of 1000 kN ( kilo Newton )
1000 kN at 100 m/sec is a power of 100,000 kW .
Average power during 2 secondes is 50,000 kW which represents an energy of 30 kWh ( 50,000 x 2/3600 ) and not 500,000 !
Efficiency of the system could requires 2 or 3 times more .
According of a cycle of 2 secondes every minute net power is 1666 kW and
5000 or 5 MW with a global efficiency of 0,33 of the launch system and the
storage
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7 of 23
March 3, 2010
thanks for sharing that knodledge. As always, storage is a very interesting issue. Reading past comments I would invite anyone to prepare a research or technical report making a comparison between energy storage for grid, tecnologies. Thanks again and keep on wirting about it. YUL
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8 of 23
March 3, 2010
Why should a utility always be in charge of either side, supply or demand, when we can create energy on site instead with microturbines, geo, and fuelcells. If we took the data centers, responsible for 3% of the USA total electrical use, and all the shopping malls, Walmarts, Costco, Grocery Stores, Convenient Stores, Post offices, service stations ect...off the grid then maybe the utilities wouldn't have so many "problems" to deal with.

The utilities are not the answer to our problems, they are the problem, along with a government that is really NOT interested in a private sector solution.
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9 of 23
March 3, 2010
This RMI plan of action is what utilities do not want to happen because they risk losing there monopoly on our power generation to many small providers. The government has no interest in small providers either because then the government loses all those big money utility lobbyist....like Southern Company one of the largest lobbyist in the US that just landed the big government loan for two nuclear power plants.

Keeping the Lights On While Transforming Electric Utilities
By Lena Hansen and Amory B. Lovins

http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Transforming+Electric+Utilities
"(((Also, windpower and photovoltaics, the fastest-growing renewables, are the only two renewable generators whose variability is at issue.)))
Half the world's electricity now made by renewables (other than big hydroelectric dams) is of other kinds—geothermal, small hydro, solar-thermal-electric with many hours of heat storage, biomass, and waste combustion, etc.—whose steady output utilities can "dispatch" just like thermal power plants."

Put simply, utilities must transition from operating a small portfolio of large power plants to more creatively operating a larger portfolio of small resources, while also incorporating additional flexibility from new advanced technologies.
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10 of 23
March 3, 2010
Modular underground pumped hydro with fixed head and mass-produced power equipment. Siting and permitting easier and cheaper than PSH and CAES, quicker to revenue with a lot lower capital investment and if serves Regulation for the short term and time-shift/ramping issues in the longer term.

Look for us later this year in Texas.
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11 of 23
March 3, 2010
You can say what you want about big government monopolies and not wanting to loose "control" by allowing small generation. But there are economic advantages to large scale electric generation. If you believe there is such a conspiracy you do not have to be tied into the electric grid, you can go to your local hardware store and buy a small scale generator fill it with gas and see how economic it is. You could also install solar and wind but don't plan on watching Monday night football or having cold beer in your fridge unless the sun is shining or the wind is blowing, but don't give me your line about government conspiracy. If you want to give me your address I could arrange to have your house disconnected from the big bad government run power companies and you can go back to the days of each small community having its own small unreliable inefficient generation plant. Or better yet you could use oil lamps and heat your house with buffalo chips in your stove. Get a life
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WFD
March 3, 2010
Windfuels offers an effective solution for the problem of electrical energy storage. It is a 2-step process, electricity produces hydrogen by electrolysis of water. Then hydrogen + CO2 --> liquid fuels (gasoline, diesel, etc. whatever fuel you want). The fuel is then CO2 neutral, having consumed the same CO2 in its production as will be released when it burns. Both steps are already known, but Windfuels has made important efficiency improvements so that the fuel produced is competitive with oil-sourced fuel at current prices. The electrical storage trick is simple: the electrolyzers can be instantly turned on or off. So, let's say some wind farms are producing more power than the momentary electrical demand, the excess is taken by the electrolyzers to make valuable liquid fuel, needed for transportation. When electrical demand rises, or wind output falls, an appropriate number of electrolyzers are turned off, leaving just the right balance between wind output and electrical demand. This dance can be managed indefinitely. In other words, "storage" is achieved by giving up demand whenever necessary. Combined with some baseload conventional or nuclear power plant, all the wind energy which exceeds the electrical demand above baseload will produce valuable CO2-neutral liquid fuels at favorable prices, and the load-shedding feature of turning off the right number of electrolyzers whenever appropriate assures matching the combination of baseload + fluctuating windpower to the differently fluctuating electrical demand of cities & industry. Windfuels is scalable and offers a path for CO2 neutral liquid fuels and electric supply. Check out " Securing Our Energy Future by Efficiently Recycling CO2 into Transportation Fuels – and Driving the Off-peak Wind Market" on the science page of www.windfuels.com
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13 of 23
March 4, 2010
The author responds to; brian-julin-42934
I tried to write the article to be relatively generic with respect to all flywheel technology. You are right though, I do have plans for massive large diameter flywheel supported on air bearings. There are two squared functions in the kinetic energy equation; velosity and radius. Most flywheel manufactures are maximizing velosity, we are envisioning flywheels tens of meters across and weighing hundreds of tons. At 300 m per second there is relatively low stress and lots of real estate for flux field. Even with air bearings the rotor can be in a vacuum environment. The large rings would be located in circular trenches nearby substations and fabricated on-site. support bearings and motor/generator components are all at the perimiter, there is no center shaft. for more info write;
DrewD
ddevitt@newwayairbearings.com
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14 of 23
March 4, 2010
The author responds to Steven Anonymous;
I am sorry you missed my points regarding why flywheel energy storage is appropriate for frequency regulation.
Let me take this opportunity to review one or two reasons here.
In the regulation market there is a time value associated with how quickly energy can be delivered, the faster it can be delivered the more valuable it is. A 1 MWh flywheel can deliver that energy in 6 seconds at the power of 600 MW, no battery can do this. And batteries are all made from noxious elements, acids or chemicals. There is nothing green or sustainable about them, even if they do last the claimed 10 years imagine turning over the fleet of batteries that we would need every 10 years! That would dwarf the nuclear disposal issue. Flywheels have nothing to wear out and will likely work the same in their 50th year as they did in their first.
If you reread the article I bet that you will find a least two or three more good reasons.
Thanks for your comment.
DrewD
ddevitt@newwayairbearings.com
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15 of 23
March 4, 2010
The author responds to georges-mougin-151491,
Thanks for your interest, I was following along with your math but your energy number seems low. Only 30 kWh? I pay about 15 cents to the electric company per kilowatt hour, by your calculations I could launch that 20 ton plane for about $4.50.
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Anonymous
March 5, 2010
Regarding the authors respond in comment #14:

It was clear that flywheel storage can provide frequency regulation, but the arguments in the article seemed weak concerning why flywheels would be the best choice. In particular, pricing issues were not addressed effectively. Why should we believe flywheels will be competitive against standby methane generators or hydro power and other extant players in this market niche not to mention better demand management?
Steven
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17 of 23
March 6, 2010
@NewWay and georges mougin: This problem is interesting because it is easily related to the definition of a watt.
1Watt=1Newton*1meter/1second
By georges's assumptions:
50m/s² is about 5g
to accelerate the 20 ton aircraft (178,000N) at 5g is 890,000N of force
the distance required to reach 100m/s² is 100m at this acceleration and proposed time of 2 seconds (basic equation of motion)
therefore; 890,000N of force applied over 100m of travel divided by 2 seconds equals an average power of 44.5MW over the two seconds, which is indeed only about 25kWh.

One might question some of the assumptions because the deck of a carrier is longer than 100m and let's also not forget the aircraft is making its own contribution to the applied force.
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18 of 23
March 8, 2010
To Newway , comment 15
The utility cy will certainly ask more that $ 4.5 .
To deliver an energy of 30 kwh in 2 secondes , an instant power of 54,000 kw
is needed . the subscription for such a demand will inflate many many times
the unit cost of 1 kwh .
For a launch every minutre an appropriate storage system should release 30 kwh every minute from a permanent power of 1800 kw .Flywheel is probably the best ,if not the sole,solution for it .
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19 of 23
March 8, 2010
To jamie-schlinkmann , comment 17
Discrepancy between our figures ( energy of 25 kwh instead of 30)
proceeds that metric tonnes were considered for the aircraft mass

Regarding the contribution of the aircraft during launch it could be
assumed that it takes care of the drag .
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20 of 23
March 12, 2010
Minor point in excellent article: pumped hydro stores in gravitational field.
The porous media bearings and flywheels are another good example of the importance of combining compressed air/vacuum systems.
Learned something new from this article, thanks and good luck.
http://aquaculture1-energystorage.blogspot.com
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21 of 23
March 12, 2010
Decentralized energy strategy is fun to consider, like mainframes vs personal computers.
Combining functions and pay back is great when it works.
Some time ago Capstone Turbine offered the automotive industry a flywheel, propulsion system, well researched and engineered that could have provided energy storage and replaced the internal combustion engine.
The offer took the auto guys well out of their comfort zone, but that does not mean it was a bad idea, times have changed a lot of rethinking is going on, how about a grid connected, battery electric, flywheel hybrid.
The lithium battery technology is still evolving, prices expected to come down while battery electric vehicle energy storage capacity is increasing.
Forty kWh of storage per vehicle and one hundred thousand vehicles would provide four megawatt hours of storage.
The reversible fuel cell is another automotive energy storage opportunity, sending hydrogen to storage in electrolyzer mode and providing electricity to the grid in fuel cell mode.
The 300 million or so American auto fleet represents a capital investment of 4 1/2 billion dollars at a conservative 15 thousand per vehicle, what if we made those little monsters work for a living instead of sitting in the garage depreciating 96% of the time.
Automobiles as energy storage are well situated in high population density areas and include both invested capital and an earning opportunity for the owners that could help make the monthly car payment!
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22 of 23
April 10, 2010
For the article's author: I am interested in learning more about a "decentralized strategy," and the economic and practical viability of neighborhood micro utilities that could meet the needs of between 100-1,000 homes, specifically using flywheel storage technology. As architects and designers who want to design the most energy efficient AND affordable housing possible, the PV Solar approach has its flaws in terms of high embodied energy in its fabrication, and questionable "cradle to cradle" credentials. My second (and third) questions for flywheel technology are how it stacks up with both embodied fab. energy and site delivery, and its life cycle attributes, ie. recycled content and non-toxicity of materials, and ultimate recyclability at the end of its useful life (this sounds like 50+ years). And thank you for a most interesting and enlightening piece!
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23 of 23
February 16, 2011
One very important thing to remember about flywheel cost is the life of the unit. A well designed flywheel should have a life of > 5 x 10^6 cycles (more than 20 years) with relatively minimal maintenance.

Regardless of the chemistry, batteries and other chemical storage devices have a finite life after which there is a replacement cost. Even if this is 5 years that is still four replacements compared to one flywheel unit.

ALSO there will be efficiency, power and capacity fade through the life of the battery or ultracapacitor, this is usually factored in by oversizing the unit therefore increasing costs again.

Just my 2c
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