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Prospects Fading for U.S. Climate Legislation in 2010

By Stephen Lacey, Staff Writer
January 14, 2010   |   9 Comments

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"Sometimes you have to separate the climate issues and the renewables issues...They are both extremely important...but I sometimes have to pinch myself when I see where [the renewable energy industry] has come. It's on a trajectory that I don't think can be stopped."

-- Scott Sklar, President of the Stella Group, Ltd.
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January 15, 2010
Cap and trade is a bad idea.. Just eliminate taxes on US based solar , wind, and hydrogen production. Stop giving money to clean coal it will never be clean or renewable. Neither is nuclear. If we want nuclear power then we can use thorium instead of uranium. If we stop putting fumes into the air, water and soil, the climate will take care of itself.
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Anonymous
January 15, 2010
Thanks to the truth getting out about prior to Hopenhagen or we might have been a step closer to the greatest theft in human history through this Cap and Trade bill in Congress. I am all for the growth of clean energy and as an avid outdoorsman, farmer, fisherman.. do not want to see the world more polluted than it is but at the same time, let's do it with common sense and based on facts.
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Anonymous
January 15, 2010
Wake up Edward and Anonymous.
The facts about Climate Change are clear, they have been clear for years.
Some British jokers who were upset that their results weren't as strong or as extreme as the results of hundreds of other teams of scientists researching the horrific impacts of runaway climate change (ClimateGate) doesn't set us back to square one or make what the 1% of tainted "scientists" out there who deny climate change claim the 'truth'.
The status quo will not cut it. We need to fight the influence of the oil, coal, gas and nuclear lobbies and the only institution out there big enough left that has a fighting chance are domestic and international government entities.
You don't have to support these efforts, just stop fighting it in such an ignorant and ill informed manner. Remember, Sarah Palin is an avid outdoors(wom)man too.
Your electric and gas bills are going to rise regardless. Energy prices have been going up for decades and will continue to go up.
You can either pay higher energy prices that support the fossil fuel and nuclear industries or you can pay higher energy prices that support clean energy implementation.
Even if you don't 'believe' in climate change (which is ridiculous if you'd read a few books and articles) then promoting clean tech is good for the economy, jobs, US competitiveness and non-carbon pollution.
The time to sleep through this is over, you've had 50 years of happy ignorant nap time. Wake up and get with it or please disappear.
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January 15, 2010
@Anonymous, too - Hmm, so only skeptical scientists are "tainted" by nefarious interests while the intrepid, well-intentioned and uninfluenced-by-outside interests climate researchers are pure and honest. Got it.

"Skeptics" don't deny that climate changes. They dispute the influence of mankind on global climate cycles. The fact that billions of taxpayer and private funds have been directed towards advancing the pro-AGW alarmist view over the past 25 years diminishes the assertion that Big Oil, Big Coal, Big Nuclear have supported the skeptics view, which routinely has been given short-shrift in the MSM until ClimateGate broke.

Ignorant and ill-informed. Are you saying Lindzen, Gray, Choi, Soon, Spencer, Christy and scores more are ignorant? How about the thousands of credentialed scientists who have signed the Manhattan Declaration on Climate Change? Your appeal to authority and appeal to group think do not make your argument stronger.

See:
www.bravenewclimate.com - read the TCASE series for material inputs vs power outputs comparisons of energy production.
www.cleanenergyinsight.org - see their land-use footprint comparisons
www.energyfromthorium.com - watch the YouTube videos

Renewables are fine in certain applications, but they are inherently unreliable, uncontrollable, intermittent and require back-up power systems, usually natgas, to fill in the generation gaps. Double the cost of reliable base-load, on-demand power.
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January 16, 2010
Since there is no scientific proof of the AGW theory that human activity and CO2 are causing the climate to warm, (Note well, the climate stopped warming in 1998), the IPCC, bureaucrats,environmentalists and their zealot scientists have created the greatest hoax in the history of the world. The intent is for the few to obtain control on total energy and to
redistribute the wealth of nations. The recent release of the emails and files of the CRU show without a doubt that the man made theory, man made assumptions, man made computer programs, man made temperature manipulation of raw data are the real cause of man made global warming.The IPCC should be disbanded, the Kyoto Accord consigned to the trash bin and no monies paid as tribute or blackmail to China or any developing country to combat a non-problem.
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January 16, 2010
to a-patrick

Since when did the earth stop "warming since 1998"? According to a report just released from the " The World Meteorological Organization announced just before the Copenhagen talks that 2009 was with data so far, the fifth warmest year since the beginning of instrumental climate records (1850) and that THIS DECADE (my emphasis) so far, has been warmer than 1990s - the warmest decade that has been recorded"..

I think you need to get your facts straight! And just because we have cold whether in Florida does not mean there is NO global warming.

I support a straight tax on carbon and not the "cap and trade". That will only make the fat cats on wall street fatter. A tax will DEFINITELY mean that the RE sources will become the status quo faster.

Higher prices on energy will come even if we do not have any type of tax because the dollar has BUILT in inflation. This is a fact too. So even if we do NOTHING the price of energy will go up. One exception is if you have an RE system on site, your energy prices will remain constant for the life of the RE system. That is the same thing as NO PRICE increase.

John D'Angelo
BeUtilityFree, Inc.
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January 17, 2010
Thank goodness this bill is going to die a swift and but quiet death and will be buried in the cemetary of fraudulant science.

John, I would be highly suspect of this data until it is evaluated by other reputable agencies and not the University of East Anglia CRU, and NASA Goddard Institute (James Hansen), and NOAA (only reputable one here).

Your last paragraph shows your naive misunderstanding of the current economic/energy situation.
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January 26, 2010
"I support a straight tax on carbon and not the "cap and trade". That will only make the fat cats on wall street fatter. A tax will DEFINITELY mean that the RE sources will become the status quo faster."

Even if nobody right now is willing to do something about carbon emissions in the USA, the E.U. is now preparing to act.

Kyoto will probably not be renewed by the E.U. It will be replaced by a carbon tax on anyone trying to import manufactured goods into the E.U. , goods not made in a EU member country.

The goal is to compensate for the lower manufacturing prices that e.g. China has compared to any E.U. member state, since China does not have to respect the extensive E.U. environmental regulations for the goods that are made in China. This import carbon tax will avoid having our industry delocalise to China to manufacturer goods cheaper there, while avoiding E.U. regulations, and then import them into the EU to be sold.

That also means that all USA airlines will have to pay a carbon tax for the jet fuel that they burn while flying towards or away from any E.U. country. If you think that is small potatoe, do not be mistaken : the E.U. is the single BIGGEST market in the world right now, having 500 million peoples and a aggregated GDP of around $ 15 Trillion, the USA GDP is around $14 Trillion.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html?countryName=European%20Union&countryCode=ee&regionCode=eu&rank=1#ee
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January 26, 2010
So the E.U. tries to lead, and hope other will follow suit, since I am convinced that we are the last generation that can do something about the fact that fossil fuels are not finite. We do need to decarbonize our energy supply FAST by moving to RE resources using some level playing mechanism, while we still have the FF to continue to power our modern world.

Still available oil resources : 40 years plateau-eing, we are now in Peak Oil, even the USA CEO of toyota said so publicly during the Detroit auto show. Saudi Arabia reserves are a state secret. Total, Shell, Exxon are now investing in costly Canadian Tar sands oil extraction, cheaper than to drill in the deep sea.

Still available natural gas resources : 75 years with business as usual. China is now building an extensive NG network to feed it's 160 cities containing each 5 million people. Don't get me started on India, they have the same plans in their drawers.

Still available uranium resources : 80 years with business as usual. China is now building 40 000 MW in nuke plant capacity. They have now managed to obtain supply contracts for only 30% of their estimated uranium consumption quota, to feed their nuke plants now being built.

Still available coal resources : 200 years with business as usual. I do not buy this statement, if I use my own state's experience (I live in Belgium). We had for 200 years of coal in Belgium. After 75 years, all the easy coal seams were extracted, leaving us with extremely costly deep and hot based coal seams to exploit. Coal extraction corporations all did go bust one by one, because our local industry switched first to cheaper imported crude oil, then to natural gas, and then to nuke plant power (now accounting for 55% of electricity supply).
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