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Eyeing UP The Competition: Concentrating PV Comes into Focus

The past twelve months may not have been the best time to be rolling out a newly commercialized branch of the PV sector, but advocates of concentrating PV are confident that its time has come.

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"When compared with solar thermal approaches, CPV provides a qualitatively different approach, typically with lower water usage, greater flexibility in size of installation, and the ability to respond more quickly when the sun returns on a cloudy day."

-- Sarah Kurtz, National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
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1 of 10
December 2, 2009
In desert regions, Sahara, Nevada etc. CPV potential is huge, e.g. average insolation for Sahara ~2,400TW+ nearly 200 times total world energy use so even a small percentage could supply the whole of the MENA region's electricity needs. The problem with CPV is it's all or nothing, so the real challenge is storage, lots of it and to a lesser extent distribution. Solve the storage problem and CPV vs fossil or nuclear is a no brainer.
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2 of 10
December 2, 2009
Shouldn't this article be listed under "advertisement"?
CPV manufacturers continually under-perform...cost reduction claims made in 2006-7 have not come to pass.
VC firms continue to pump money into these "investments", so perhaps there is something coming that will be worth the wait.
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3 of 10
December 2, 2009
What about heating water concurrently, for cooling cells and for storage? If this works for regular PV, perhaps it could be used for CPV as well, especially in areas where underground water storage would be easy to do.
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December 2, 2009
All the emphasis on efficiency is fundamentally irrelevant for solar systems. It is a carryover from the fossil fuel world where increase in efficiency cuts fuel cost. The Solar "fuel" is free so efficiency is of little importance. The amount of solar energy radiated unto a unit land area at a specific location is fixed regardless of the subsequent concentration. Perhaps, as reported here from from the results of Toyohashi University, concentration improves "energy harvesting" as compared to flat plate so less land is required. But unless concentration PV comes at a competitive price, it is irrelevant to the renewable energy industry. Also, keeping the cells cool is not simple as heat transfer from the PV cell to the ambient may deteriorate with time
Tzvi Rozenman Ph.D. Jerusalem, Israel
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5 of 10
December 3, 2009
tvzi-rozeman -- I disagree. Efficiency matters, because otherwise you'd need an area the size of Texas to deal with Texas' power requirements. It doesn't make sense. Granted you can place some of these plants in deserts or other unused spaces, but you will hit a ceiling at some point. But I agree it must come at a competitive price with regular solar or wind farms, or it doesn't make sense. It's too early to tell - let's wish them good luck!
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6 of 10
December 3, 2009
belcat --. Your comments are appreciated. Indeed, I did mention the land savings in my comment. Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but I wanted to emphasize that for solar, cost and reliability are paramount issues, perhaps more important than the pursuit of higher efficiency.
You are right, let's wish them good luck!
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7 of 10
December 3, 2009
I agree with tzvi about reliability. Solar took black eyes in some micro-climates in the 70's because roof-water froze on cold, sunny days. This made a lot of physical and economic damage which shows up in sour grapes to this day. The devil loves details because only geeks care about them, and our current culture de-geeks geeks before they are of age to wrestle details or notice patterns.

Nonetheless, there are people in Oregon who put P-V in 25 years ago and are still powering mansions with it This is in Western Oregon, not the Oregon with all the sun (Eastern Oregon), where we might have expected P-V to persist.

There's theory and then there's practice, and there are many variables that can, well, vary, given Global Whatevering.

If people worry about the explosive nature of LiFePO's, you can always bury them.

But even salt water could be heated and used pretty well given big enough pipes to and from storage, especially if bio-mimicry techniques are employed to prevent pipe plaque (see TED). I've heard we could be heading into a surplus of salt water, barring sufficient swale technology to keep fresh water on the land where it falls.

Whatever problem I encounter, permaculture and biomimicry are the repertoires I scan first, though I broke some of my own rules on Thanksgiving for reasons of peacekeeping.

Too bad there are so few geeks to look for patterns in the real world rather than in worlds of deluded good intentions and colluded bad ones.
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8 of 10
December 3, 2009
In fossil fuel systems, fuel was the main cost item. So increase in efficiency meant a major , direct cost reduction. The Solar "fuel" is free, so increase in efficiency will directly affect primarily land space - not the critical cost items in solar systems. But if the cell material is exotic and very expensive, and the concentration device is somewhat complex and expensive to manufacture and requires careful cell cooling design (natural or forced convective), the pursuit of higher efficiency may never achieve the ultimate goal of a reliable low cost, 25 years solar system.
but as commented by belcat ,let's wish them good luck!
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9 of 10
December 3, 2009
A problem with Li has been overheating and fire.

Li has been difficult to recycle. There was a fairly big fire in B.C. recently, if I recall correctly. I think I heard about this on Seeking Alpha, where I comment as Jade Queen. You might be able to search SA for the details. The best stuff is generally in the comments, where whistleblowers can be somewhat anonymous and colorfully un-PC.

If we could just use more of the heat still being flared, I would feel warmer on a cold day.

Masdar is also supposedly gearing up in a major way soon, which is a little scary in a Borg-ish sort of way. While I'm ok with MIT, some of the German partners still produce ghoulish ag chemicals which I doubt they can use on home turf.

The Sheik of Abu Dhabi may not want to bail out Sheik Mo of Dubai, because there are other plans for that cash. I just hope nobody gets too badly hurt by toxics.

It seems unlikely Masdar will produce much that will be useful to micro-grids, which is where we ought to end up here, after macro-stuff gets broken in an earthquake or from Homer Simpson pushing a wrong button or something.

I wish we didn't have to try wide detours from equitable distribution before coming back to building value (and school-house geekiness) close to use. It's looking as if we are going to have to have frozen-human stories before we do anything very substantive.
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December 4, 2009
I think the sheik of Abu Dhabi might have his head screwed on all right.

Nonetheless, they are not looking to sell to us, but rather to Europe, in particular to Germany, probably.

We could do our own Masdar, but we should not.

We need distributed energy, close to source, monitored and tinkered with by a new crop of super-geeky kids. Geeks are figuring out how to find each other these days. There are even geek bars that provide refuge from sports bars. I went to one last night--cool place.

As bad as the U.S. is, in some ways we are good at educating formerly marginalized populations, e.g. girls, Asberger's syndrome geniuses, etc., in humane micro-climates.

If D.C. becomes so dysfunctional as to be irrelevant, it can happen none too soon. I hate to say this since I kind of love the place and grew up nearby.

Nonetheless, corrupt old men have been running the place since before Mark Twain and Will Rogers, whose souls I wish could return and get on major-media TV. Well, maybe Colbert was channeling one of them when he had Kristof on to talk about fish in the Potomac.

D.C. seems to de-evolve.

Expecting science out of D.C. is like expecting science out of scandal-and-scare-hype TV. They will try to decorate it to look like science, but it will be a garbage bisphenol-A ball painted with green paint with a big-ag logo. It won't even decompose under a tarp with mushroom spawn added.

Local people are on their own, for now, against a decadent imperial central government. That's probably not all bad. I really love the consignment-shop-geek bar and the go-local thing, as long as I can still get chocolate.
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