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Building a hydrogen infrastructure now would be folly. Biomethane can do the job now and will be cleaner and cheaper.

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Anonymous
October 20, 2009
The author writes: "our electrical grid is only 30% efficient in delivering the energy in fuel burned to the customer."
This number might be close to the mark if we only used coal. Methane in combined cycle generators is ~60% efficient. Losses from the distribution itself are relatively minor. Furthermore, combustion efficiency is only one factor in determining the appropriateness of a fuel source. Cost and availability are two other factors given little consideration herein.

The fact that Germany needs to pay 25 cents/kWh to encourage biomethane's use as a generation scheme suggests that it is too expensive to compete with other schemes.

The typesetter needs to learn that the "2" in CO2 (and N2O, etc.) should be a subscript rather than a superscript.

The claim that "building a hydrogen infrastructure now would be folly" seems rather strong--at least based on the information presented here. Electrolysis of water may be used to produce an essentially unlimited supply of hydrogen wherever it is needed (given sufficient energy) but the maximum supply of biomethane is probably much lower than our energy needs. Biomethane may find a niche in the energy infrastructure, but the claim that it can serve a dominant role in the energy transportation and storage network seems inflated.
Steven
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October 20, 2009
If you can make all the hydrogen you want you can easily convert it to all the carbon-negative methane you want.with the Sabatier reaction:
4H2 + CO2 = CH4 + 2H2O
Why build an expensive hydrogen infrastructure when it is so difficult to store and transport?
Germany is wisely encouraging the development of this superior energy carrier which will certainly be cheaper than the alternatives in the near future. I'm sure they'll be happy to sell us the equipment they develop.
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Anonymous
October 20, 2009
Tom,
It is true that one can readily, and at modest additional expense, convert H2 to CH4 (or methanol) given a supply of CO2. If you are still burning coal, getting lots of CO2 isn't greatly expensive, but in the long term the source of cheap CO2 will hopefully go away (and extraction directly from the atmosphere is ghastly expensive). Energy storage as hydrogen needs no CO2 feedstock and significantly less processing so even if a "hydrogen economy" does not take hold it will likely play a role in certain circumstances.

Biomethane is currently expensive (at least those 25 cent/kWh payments are) and I don't see how it will ever scale up to meet a large fraction of our energy needs so we will still need other storage mechanisms. If the Germans want to spend enormous sums on niche technology I suppose they can afford it, but I'm hoping for something more affordable and more scalable....
Steven
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October 20, 2009
Nice article.

You can actually purchase a fuel cell for your home now:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/why-fuel-cells-make-sense/

It is about 35% efficient and produces enough power to run a couple of toasters. I don't know why you would considering that it is not much more efficient, and a lot more expensive ($36K), than the home CHP systems you can buy that run a generator with a natural gas powered ICE.
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October 21, 2009
Why not just transport natural gas, and use biomethane locally? Good idea though.
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October 21, 2009
Dear Author of this article,

Wishes from Dr.N.Vasudevan. It is one of the fabulous article regarding biomethane. I am sure that near future methane is one of promising source of alternate energy.
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October 21, 2009
Tom,
Well done article and analysis. But one area of biomethane use that few seem to consider is direct, on-site use of the gas as a substitute for fossil fuels. We have a tiny (750,000 tons of trash) landfill here in the mountains of North Carolina, that produces only 40-60 cfm of methane. But by focusing on small, direct uses, we've used the gas to fuel blacksmith forges, glassblowing glory holes, a metal foundry, and a greenhouse boiler (eventually to include pottery kilns as well). Each of these efforts not only reduces our fossil fuel use, but also provides direct economic benefit to our artisans and greenhouse users.

Granted, we use the gas "dirty", straight out of the landfill, since the gas-cleaning equipment just isn't economical for us. And spinning a generator would provide only a small amount of electricity, while forgoing any of our other uses. But still, the gas from this small landfill (which no developers would touch) is creating jobs, teaching sustainability, and bringing additional tourism to our remote, rural community. Anaerobic digesters fed on local food and ag waste will eventually pick up the slack as the landfill gas drops off.

For more info or to set up a visit, see our website at www.jcgep.org.

Keep up the great work. Biogas has to become a major player in our future energy landscape.

Timm Muth, Director
Jackson County Green Energy Park
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October 21, 2009
This is a Florida Energy Solution! My Florida preference, as a start, is to use some 30,000 acres of reclaimed clay settling lands in Polk County, FL. Our rental there is $10/acre-yr. We have shown that we can do all the planting, from seed, then to harvest with shredding and delivery to digestor -- here's where I'll go no further. On clay in Polk County we can get leucaena at 25 ton-dry/acre-yr with each dry-ton providing 7.4 MCF equivalents -- 7.4 million BTU per dry-ton/yr. As you well know, there are many costs inherently included in the overall circumstance -- but I'm very confident that methane can be produced at less than $2/MCF.

And there is at a minimum 250,000 acres of phosphate related, not valuable by existing measures, in the Polk County region of Florida. It's the best place to start as the land, by real measure, is worthless.

But more is necessary -- control development growth -- protect Florida's agricultural lands -- and plant -- do not destroy trees. CFR's technology is based on harvesting, at the bush stage, a perennial legume that is a giant tree if allowed to grow -- but, a tree, capable of continuously renewal -- just like CFR's renewable natural gas: All the best things in areas of the U. S. where climate matches that of Florida.

Get the Florida Public Service Commission behind a conservation initiative -- not controlled by Utilities as how Florida's Utilities scuttled -- The State of Florida announced in summer 2003 a Governor's initiated program: ".... To develop a Statewide Energy Plan: Energy Planning for Florida's Future". The report contained this admonition:
"The prime source of funds to support advances in energy efficiency and renewable energy resources in Florida is controlled by private utilities, whose business objective is to maximize profits rather than to conserve scarce energy resources."

Best, Dick Glick, PhD, President
Email: dglickd@pipeline.com
URL: http://www.pipeline.com/~dglickd/CFR.pdf
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October 21, 2009
I must respectfully disagree with some of the remarks regarding hydrogen. Hydrogen is cost competitive today, right now, with gasoline on a dollar per Btu basis. (See http://hydrogendiscoveries.wordpress.com/ or the American Hydrogen Association.) Storage is simple, safe, and reliable: hydrides, metals which can store hydrogen like a sponge based on temperature and pressure (as low as 250 psi). Hydrogen trucks have never been seriously proposed by real hydrogen advocates, and are unnecessary, even though they'd be safer than gasoline trucks. The natural gas pipeline network could transport hydrogen well enough, with some upgrades (which the electric infrastructure also needs). However, H2 doesn't need the infrastructure which we take for granted today. It can be produced by more than a half-dozen methods, on-site and as needed. Select the most appropriate means for your location, from electrolysis to algae to bacteria, and away you go. Excess wind and solar capacity could easily provide a substantial supply.
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Anonymous
October 21, 2009
Hi Tom,
in contrast to those who say this technology is too expensive I've been to an AD plant in Denmark that that uses pig poo to produce methane and sell it to a CHP plant down the road. They get virtually no subsidy from the government and their only problem is getting enough pig poo (they sometimes make do with bullsh*t). The technology is mature and profitable, try saying that about Hydrogen!
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October 21, 2009
Methane is chemically the same stuff regardless of source. The only difference between fossil natural gas and biomethane is the source.

When natural gas is oxidized, 4 hydrogen atoms are oxidized for each carbon atom oxidized. You get more energy and about 1/2 the CO2 compared to burning coal.

Since methane is already a gas, pollutants can be removed before it is used unlike coal. And there is no cinders, ash or soot.

Most methane is used for home heating and water heating now. Solar thermal is cheap and easy to produce. It requires no expensive conversion to electricity to be used, and thermal energy is cheap and easy to store. Solar thermal systems can be used as "helpers" to existing systems without extensive modifications. A water heater that has an inflow preheated by solar thermal will function normally, cycling on and off according its thermostat setting, but will use a lot less energy. The same with home heating.

With a comparative octane of ~120, compressed natural gas is a perfect match for diesel/natural gas engine vehicles. Diesel/CNG vehicles are high compression/high efficiency vehicles with overall efficiency ratings similar to hybrids, without the expensive batteries and electrical components. Liquid diesel fuels have always had problems with fuel gelling and starting in cold weather-with CNG, these problems are bypassed-just start up and run till the engine is warm with CNG, then flip to liquid fuel if necessary. It would cost about 1/3 as much to operate a vehicle with CNG as petroleum.

Convert our coal burning electrical plants to NG-it would be quick and inexpensive, just change the coal burning furnace with gas burners, nothing else needs to change. No strip mines, no air pollution and about 1/2 the CO2 produced. Use solar thermal to heat our homes and hot water with solar heat, and use CNG for diesel/CNG bi-fuel vehicles.
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October 21, 2009
Undigested biomass, like wood, is much more costly to convert to biogas than digested, like poop. Still, here in Minnesota, electric utility monopolies are refusing to buy electricity from independent biomass producers. Instead they are saying their fuel must be converted to biogas and piped to the utility, just so the utility can generate the power. The natural gas utility monopolies are allowed to offer discounts to their large customers, to discourage their use of alternative fuels like biogas, and then shift the costs onto their small captive customers. Why does the US support these monopolies? Let's try to let the market decide which fuels are the most cost-competitive!
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October 21, 2009
I too am troubled by the amount of countless number of barrels of petroleum being imported into the US. One distinguished gentleman from Texas would love to have our trucks (perhaps our cars too) run on natural gas. Now, that is not a bad idea in and of itself, but there is another fuel that is being ignored: hydrogen.

The state of North Dakota has abundant amount of wind resource, yet, the state hardly has any generating capacity because the distance to metropolitan areas is so, so far away. Since North Dakota is being under utilized to produce power, perhaps this state and others could use its wind source to split water molecules to produce hydrogen as a fuel source. Would the hydrolisis of water to produce the hydrogen element be so terribly difficult to perform? I am thinking that hydrogen would be dispensed as a liquid and stored in a vehicle as a liquid and vaporized/atomized as the fuel is required to release energy. I am thinking that this isn't done because the fuel has to be supercooled; and, supercooling hydrogen takes energy (and lots of it).

It's been a while since I took college chemistry; so, I am happy to see some scholary articles that tell us how carbon dioxide can be combined with hydrogen gas to produce methane and water. And, I learned about transportation about this fuel. Methane could indeed be made by wind turbines in a far, far away place.

Anyway, hydrogen was discussed as a fuel supply couple of years ago. We have pipelines for natural gas. It seems that methane could be run in these same pipelines? Or, wouldn't it be in the governments vested interest to run new pipelines for liquid methane?

When all is said and done, why isn't methane being used as our fuel supply vs petroleum?

And, is there any reason why wind energy couldn't be used as a fuel souce for this methane production?
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Anonymous
October 22, 2009
In Comment #13 Douglas asks: "is there any reason why wind energy couldn't be used as a fuel souce for this methane production?"

Wind energy is relatively expensive; the conversion to hydrogen (via electrolysis of water) involves additional expense and is perhaps ~80% efficient with available technology. The conversion of the H2 to methane involves still further expense (and would need high volumes of CO2). Then you would have to transport the methane.... It is far easier to site the wind turbine where there is a need for electricity currently being met by methane combustion and divert the methane that you would have used for electricity generation to transportation purposes. One could also produce H2 using wind energy and then use that in the production of ammonia for use in fertilizer and divert the CH4 now used in fertilizer production to use as a transportation fuel. Using wind turbines to directly make methane can't compete with these alternatives.
Steven
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October 22, 2009
Mr. Blakeslee: Spot on!
My company is negotiating to close on several hundred high efficiency, low cost, green methane / methane-diesel RET Gensets (off-grid). Methane is from biowastes/ biomass, and initial sizes are 50KW to 3KW. All confer a ROI within 2 years in farm settings. Can create energy self-sufficient farms with herd sizes as small as 10 cow. First install is in Latin America, would like to sell the turn key solutions into the US. Ancillary renewable power and peripherals further increase cash flow and take-offs. ISO US teaming partner for manufacturing... Do not need government subsidies to be profitable. Compressed Methane (CNG) RETs can power vehicles/ transports/ tractors also, and can also run on liquid biofuels because they are co-produced, or available e.g., cooking oils. As A. Einstein said, the physics I understand, the politics (funding etc) I do not. U.S. Residential, industrial dual fuel, Natural Gas/ methane/ diesel RET gensets with CHP can significantly decrease energy bills and provide a rather robust, weather intolerant 24 x 7 power source. Lots of tangible interest abroad, and this will be another revolution where US is the lagging nation. Using non-pipeline logistical solutions still enables multifuel Methane RET Gensets to reduce electric/ power bills significantly. Sannerwind@gmail.com
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October 23, 2009
In a convergent moment, I just received a bulletin from the Natural Gas Vehicle coalition that VW's Natural gas powered SUV is a hot seller in Sweden:

"First four wheel drive NGV?
Automotive media outlets in Sweden are reporting a new compressed natural gas (CNG) bi-fuel Subaru Legacy will be launched in Sweden shortly, with models on the floor by April 2010. The reports say the move is a response to the growing popularity of natural gas vehicles in the company car segment, in particular the VW Passat Turbo which is proving to be a driveaway success in Sweden. More than 2400 units of the CNG Passat have been sold, with 562 of those sold in August alone which, in the words of one motoring journalist, "suggests that we have only seen the beginning of the success story." Subaru is proving to be a quiet achiever in Sweden, reportedly increasing sales in the first half of this year despite a downturn in overall vehicle sales...."

They also report a growing number of NGV refueling terminals being built in N. Europe and expanding now to CHILE.

A comprehensive effort to integrated municipal liquid(septage) and solid organic waste into large biorefineries(anaerobic digesters) should begin today!

Ready to introduce legislation to use sustainability funds to plan such a network??
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October 23, 2009
Douglass J.---------"We have pipelines for natural gas. It seems that methane could be run in these same pipelines?"-------------

Natural gas is methane. Either fossil or bio methane is chemically the same. CH4

Methane is naturally produced in nature by the decomposition of organic material by anaerobic bacteria(bacteria that are active in the absence of oxygen).

CO2 is a greenhouse gas---it traps solar heat in the atmosphere. However, CO2 is not the only greenhouse gas---methane is also a greenhouse gas. Methane is a very powerful greenhouse gas---it traps heat 17X better than CO2. If we were to capture methane that would ordinarily escape into the atmosphere, for instance, in the treatment of sewage or animal waste; and then mixed it with fossil fuel(exactly the same stuff when cleaned and impurities removed)-----and then burned it in power plants or vehicles-----mixing in as little as 6% biomethane with the fossil methane would produce greenhouse gas neutral emissions. We would, in effect, be trading high greenhouse effect methane for much lower greenhouse effect CO2.

In order to meet our energy needs, and be greenhouse effect neutral, we would not have to produce all of our methane from biologic sources, only 6%.

Far and away the most methane produced naturally comes from termites and ruminant animals.
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Anonymous
October 23, 2009
In comment #17 Fred writes: "In order to meet our energy needs, and be greenhouse effect neutral, we would not have to produce all of our methane from biologic sources, only 6%."

This is not really true. Methane has a lifetime of a few decades in the atmosphere, CO2 increases are long term. Fred's plan would continue to add to the CO2 buildup and lead to a short-lived reduction in CH4 concentrations. In 2100 no one would be happy with this "greenhouse effect neutral" result.

It is also worth noting that we can't produce enough fossil methane to meet all out energy needs.
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October 23, 2009
Plants remove CO2 from the atmosphere, they do not remove methane. CO2 would be constantly removed from the atmosphere by plant metabolism.

---------"It is also worth noting that we can't produce enough fossil methane to meet all out energy needs."------------

Who says we can't? We produce enough coal and oil-------and there are more methane deposits than both put together. We can also capture methane by digestion of plant waste and sewage matter---we should be doing that anyway.

Solar thermal collection is easy and inexpensive. Solar panels used as a helper system can reduce water and building heating requirements as much as 80%-----and do not involve complicated manufacturing techniques or electronics. Simply preheat water before it enters a hot water heater, the water heater still functions normally and will come on to produce hot water if the stored solar runs out---it will just use a lot less energy, because the thermostat cycles on less often. Natural gas use displaced by solar thermal and passive solar use can be diverted to use in vehicles. It is a quick, easy and inexpensive way to drive our vehicles without needing batteries, electric motors, recharging stations etc. etc.
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October 23, 2009
from the article:

---------"Even though most of our natural gas is now fossil fuel, a doubling of efficiency would be just as effective as achieving 50% renewable power as far as global warming is concerned. We can simultaneously work on greening our gas supply by feeding more and more biomethane into the pipeline. "------------

I agree with Tom. I don't think we'd regret a decision to convert to natural gas in 2100 or ever.

Tom does not even make allowance that compared to coal, natural gas produces about the same amount of energy and 1/2 the CO2. Converting from coal plants to natural gas would cut the amount of CO2 going into the atmosphere about 50% alone.
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October 23, 2009
So, it is agreed, wasting methane without an end use is just waste. Using methane for local heat supply for water or steam for conventional use is the ideal. To use biomethane for local electrical generation is also useful or perhaps using it in these new state of the art passenger vehicles is also a wonderful idea.

No one should discount my idea of wind generation to power up an electrolysis plant to produce hydrogen gas. Using existing CO2 with hydrogen gas to form methane and water is a wonderful idea--when you consider how much money is being sent out of the country already. Oh, some may argue that it is too expensive of a job to make this happen. I argue that we are supposed to be thinking about power independence from the oil producing countries.

With the natural gas pipelines already in place in America, the distribution problem is already solved. Of course Mr. Pickens would love to sell his natural gas that he states that our country already has. Okay, we have a source of natural gas already here and we can pipe in our bio-methane in the same pipelines and we have all this abundant power of wind in America to produce hydrogen gas and use up the CO2 to produce more methane. Personally, I don't see where we have an energy shortage. Do you?
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October 24, 2009
----------"No one should discount my idea of wind generation to power up an electrolysis plant to produce hydrogen gas. Using existing CO2 with hydrogen gas to form methane and water is a wonderful idea.........."----------

NASA thinks so too. It is called the Sabatier reaction and it is being studied as a means of conserving water on the space station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabatier_reaction

You have simply turned the problem the other way around---NASA wants the water from the reaction, you want the methane from the reaction.

--------"Personally, I don't see where we have an energy shortage. Do you?"--------

No---all we need to do is change a few ways we do things. We can stop environmental damage from strip mines, water pollution, air pollution and we can do it all with only a small investment now----and we'll save a lot in the long run. We can heat our homes, buildings and water with solar thermal power----and use that energy to power our vehicles.

We do not need an entirely new infrastructure. We can do everything we need to do right now, with what we already have, and have had for years.
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Anonymous
October 24, 2009
In comment 18 Fred writes: "Plants remove CO2 from the atmosphere, they do not remove methane. CO2 would be constantly removed from the atmosphere by plant metabolism"

This is true, but of course there is a delicate balance for CO2 produced from natural sources. Burning fossil fuels such as methane adds to the levels maintained in this balance leading to a monotonic increase in atmospheric concentrations and thus climate change. It is simplistic (and wrong) to think that one can counteract this imbalance in the long term merely by reducing atmospheric methane concentrations. Furthermore, the atmospheric concentration of methane is below 2 ppm, so if by some magic one was able to scrub the atmosphere entirely free of it, you would still only roughly counteract the radiative forcing of ~40 ppm of CO2; this is less than half of the excess CO2 we have already added to the atmosphere.

Even if we were totally unconcerned about environmental issues, methane is an expensive source of energy and fossil fuel supplies are not sufficient to dramatically increase production (and biomethane production will not be able to produce the supply levels that would be needed).

Steven
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October 24, 2009
Steven-----CO2 is building up in the atmosphere because we are burning it faster than plants can remove it. Net gain.

Methane is 80% hydrogen by volume(not weight). Coal is 100% carbon(considering the chemical reaction--real life, contains impurities).

Methane produces more energy and less than 50% of the carbon that coal does. Replace coal with methane, you can have the same amount of energy with a 50% reduction in the rate of new CO2 added to the atmosphere.

Replace current fossil methane usage with solar thermal power----and use that methane to power bi-fuel vehicles. Make the liquid part of the bi-fuel component biofuels----and we have replaced the need for petroleum with solar power.

Add some conservation----doing the same things with less energy----replace incandescent lights with flourescent for instance.

Remove a major component of greenhose effect in the atmosphere(methane) and replace is with a much lower GHG effect component(CO2)---each methane we remove and burn = removing 17 CO2 molecules.

A few relatively simple, easy, inexpensive changes----and we've reduced the overall rate of CO2 by more than than 50%. And eliminated environment damage from strip mines, air pollution, and damage to water sheds. And we can easily do that in 10 to 20 years----not 50-100 that is commonly talked about politicians and others.

And we'll spend less for energy over the long run. We'll keep adding renewable energy(wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, etc,) as we go along.

----------"It is simplistic (and wrong) to think that one can counteract this imbalance in the long term merely by reducing atmospheric methane concentrations."----------

There is nothing wrong with thinking simplistically when it is simple.

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http://green.autoblog.com/2007/08/28/fiat-siena-tetrafuel-can-run-on-four-fuel-types/

in production and on sale now.
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October 27, 2009
-------------"Even if we were totally unconcerned about environmental issues, methane is an expensive source of energy and fossil fuel supplies are not sufficient to dramatically increase production (and biomethane production will not be able to produce the supply levels that would be needed). "-----------

If we replace coal with methane, we've reduced the CO2 production 50% at least with no loss in capacity. If we replace natural gas currently used to heat water and homes with solar thermal energy even at a rate of only 50%(which would be easy)--------we'd more than make up for that used to replace coal. Add to that new supplies from sewage treatment and landfill capture, and recent advances in natural gas recovery technology and we have a good source of energy to power our vehicles. Now add to that overall energy savings in vehicle efficiency by converting to diesel/natural gas bi-fuel engines which can go roughly 25% further per BTU fuel input than current gasoline powered vehicles. Add to that energy savings from the fact that biodiesel and natural gas fuels need no refining unlike petroleum-----we do not need to put significantly large amounts of energy in to get energy out. And we can mix both biofuels and fossil fuels(either liquid or natural gas) in any proportion we need to make the amount of fuels we need. If we increase bio capacity faster than expected, we use a higher percentage of bio---if bio capacity does not expand as fast as expected, we use a lower percentage.

Either way, we've dramatically lowered the rate of CO2 production. CO2 is always produced in the natural cycle---our problem is the rate of production, we are producing it faster than it is being taken out. If we lower the rate CO2 is going into the atmosphere, and plants keep removing it at the same pace---we will net lower atmospheric CO2. And we have removed strip mining damage, improved air quality, and water quality.
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Anonymous
October 27, 2009
In comment #25 Fred writes: "If we lower the rate CO2 is going into the atmosphere, and plants keep removing it at the same pace---we will net lower atmospheric CO2."

This is another one of those simplistic views that is also wrong. Before the use of fossil fuels there was a stable equilibrium value for atmospheric CO2. Plants sequester carbon as biomass that is released after their death and decay. For plants to significantly alter atmospheric CO2 concentrations would require a marked increase in biomass (and in INCREASE in their CO2 removal rate rather than in Fred's words "removing it at the same pace")--there is no evidence that the amount of biomass is increasing in response to increased CO2 levels (indeed, deforestation is probably decreasing total biomass levels) so there is no evidence to suggest that plants will provide a significant sink for the huge amount of CO2 being added to the biosphere by fossil fuel combustion. There are modest CO2 sinks that ameliorate fossil fuel generated CO2 concentrations such as absorption in the oceans (which alters the pH of the oceans so this isn't without disadvantages) and we could sequester CO2 produced from burning biomass to achieve modest reductions in atmospheric CO2 concentrations, but we should not hold out much hope that plants will clean up our mess for us on a useful timescale.

Steven
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Anonymous
October 27, 2009
Many of the methods for generating methane from biomass are now heavily subsidized (the author quotes a value of 25 cents/kWh in Germany as an example). This is a very high rate for electricity generation--one that is far too high to pay for energy long term. Such subsidies are sometimes justifiable if they spur economies of scale that ultimately result in dramatically lower future energy prices with that technology. However, the amount of capital that can be expended on such subsidies is not unlimited, so we should be subsidizing technologies that can play a significant role in displacing future fossil fuel usage and which also show good potential for doing so at reasonable costs. The possibility for biomass to ever provide a large fraction of out energy needs seems quite limited although it may play a useful role for high-energy-density fuels useful for transportation. For electricity generation, biomass is always likely to be a niche player so perhaps we should be subsidizing schemes that will have better scaling (e.g., geothermal, solar thermal, etc.).
Steven
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October 27, 2009
Nice article Tom! You made some very interesting points that I hadn't realized before. While I see now that biogas has several advantages over renewably supplied electricity, also remember that biogas is only carbon neutral where renewable electricity (PV & wind) is carbon negative. That is, you're still sending CO2 into the atmosphere with biogas. Still, I think on the whole biogas has enormous untapped potential.
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October 27, 2009
--------".............carbon neutral where renewable electricity (PV & wind) is carbon negative."-------------

Wind and PV solar power do not remove CO2 from the atmosphere......only plants remove carbon from the atmosphere.

---------"........(the author quotes a value of 25 cents/kWh in Germany as an example). This is a very high rate for electricity generation--"--------

That is the subsidy------that is not the cost of generation.

--------"This is another one of those simplistic views that is also wrong. Before the use of fossil fuels there was a stable equilibrium value for atmospheric CO2."------------

No, you are wrong. Carbon is the natural energy exchange cycle for biological systems. Put more carbon into the cycle than plants can remove(by burning fossil fuels)--------and CO2 builds up. Use carbon that is part of the system(biofuels), and it is impossible to raise atmospheric CO2 levels. You need plants to make biofuels---no CO2 in the atmospere = no plant metabolism = no plants to make biofuels with. It is impossible raise atmosphereic CO2 with biofuels.

-------" While I see now that biogas has several advantages over renewably supplied electricity, also remember that biogas is only carbon neutral where renewable electricity (PV & wind) is carbon negative."----------

PV and wind do not remove any CO2 from the atmosphere---they utilize the solar power directly. They are not "carbon negative". They are simply not part of the biological carbon energy exchange chain.
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October 27, 2009
-------"For plants to significantly alter atmospheric CO2 concentrations would require a marked increase in biomass (and in INCREASE in their CO2 removal rate rather than in Fred's words "removing it at the same pace")--there is no evidence that the amount of biomass is increasing in response to increased CO2 levels (indeed, deforestation is probably decreasing total biomass levels) so there is no evidence to suggest that plants will provide a significant sink for the huge amount of CO2 being added to the biosphere by fossil fuel combustion."----------

All the weight of the total fossil fuels being mined and pumped out of the ground and then burned has to go somewhere. If it does not go into biomass of some kind---it builds up in the atmosphere. That is why atmosphere CO2 today is about 80 ppm higher today than it was 100 years ago.

Put water in a bucket. As long as you dump the bucket as often as you put water in it, it will not overflow. If you keep adding water faster than you take water out it will overflow eventually. We've been adding water to the bucket that was dumped out already long ago(burning fossil fuels). Our bucket is overflowing.
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PG
November 2, 2009
Dear all

As a Dutch geologist and director of BER BV, our group intends to produce liquid biomethane (bio-LNG as we cal it).
It is by far the cheapest and cleanest biofuel. You can make it from sewage sludge, landfills, grass, food waste, agricultural waste and so on.
If we look at second generation anaerobic digestion, you can convert even all lignocellulosis and hemicellulosis into biogas easily.
Liquefaction of biogas into bio-LNG costs less than liquifaction of natural gas, since you do not need to remove mercury, ethane and other heavy stuff.
We do not need any subsidy because - with the same calorific value as bioethanol - we can produce it for half (first generation) or one quarter (second generation) of the production price of bioethanol.
Bio-LNG does not need blending, it is cleaner than other bio fuels,
It does not cost much energy in the production process, because the bugs do the work. You can imagine that our largest adversaries in the Netherlands are the oil companies because they are not needed in the entire chain. We think you easily can replace 20% of your transportation fuel with liquid biomethane (bio-LNG). Remember that with a bio-LNG structure yoy can even use bio-LCNG stations to fuel bio-CNG Good luck. Peter van der Gaag BER BV Rotterdam
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November 16, 2009
Good luck with your project Peter. It sounds great.
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July 24, 2011
Get a Hydrogen hybrid Conversion installed in the SF Bay Area for $1600 for most cars and small trucks. These are HOD (hydrogen on demand) nothing is stored. Plus you get a tax credit for installing hydrogen upgrades. 35%-60% gains in MPG. Talk to @hybridwatercar on twitter or tinyurl.com/waterpowered
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34 of 34
July 24, 2011
Hi:

This post is two years old, first of all... That said, I do not like the way the Author compares electricity which IS ENERGY to an energy carrier/fuel like CH4 or H2. Its like comparing a grown tree to the nutrients in the soil or the sun shine that supplied the energy. Apples to oranges. From a business perspective it may make money sense to do so, but from a science and engineering perspective it is way off base....

.....Bill
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