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Getting to a National Renewable Energy Standard

By Matthew I. Slavin, Ph.D.
September 14, 2009   |   13 Comments

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1 of 13
September 14, 2009
Facts are a stubborn thing.

Wind energy is not about the environment. If it was, mandated public subsidies required by wind energy would be tied by index to reduction in harmful emissions. As they're not, the wind lobby asks that we commit our actual dollars to support a faith-based climate initiative.

Renewable Energy World
"The clean tech sector is the fastest growing area of the venture asset class and fertile ground for growth and profits, said Ira Ehrenpreis, general partner, Technology Partners, and conference chairman. The environment and profit go hand in hand, according to Ehrenpreis. "Clean tech is all about the green, not the environment," he said."

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2009/02/venture-capitalists-money-is-tight-in-the-green-sector

Wind energy is established as environmentally harmful:

http://www.epaw.org/documents.php?lang=en&article=b0

Let's put a face on Clipper Wind.

http://documents.dps.state.ny.us/public/Common/ViewDoc.aspx?DocRefId=%7b33FA561C-ACE8-4F21-BEB3-D6DBF37F4892%7d

Let's look to Europe to avoid BLACKOUTS and fuel poverty they now face due to their preoccupation with wind energy.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/60259/Blackout-Britain-warning

The Renewable Energy Foundation think tank report concludes:

"A near fatal preoccupation with politically attractive but marginal forms of renewables seems to have caused a blindness towards the weakening of the UK's power stations and a dangerous and helpless vulnerability to natural gas."

The REF predicts BLACKOUTS, and warns that as many as nine million people could be plunged into fuel poverty, defined as spending more than 10 per cent of their income on energy bills. The UK Government "should prepare itself to intervene with social policy to prevent hardship and maintain order" REF advises.

'Wind energy green jobs cost $1.4 million each'

http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/03/3221195-wind-industry-gree
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2 of 13
September 14, 2009
'Wind energy green jobs cost $1.4 million each'

http://bjdurk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/09/03/3221195-wind-industry-green-jobs-cost-14-million-each

'The wind energy industry tells the truth'

http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wind-energy-industry-tells-the-truth/
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3 of 13
September 14, 2009
Why even bother America? You have no future. You are broke. You have to go to China for all your money. You have to hope China shares your priorities. You have entrenched energy monopolies that block real change. Renewable mandates have solved little at the state level and would solve little at the federal level because the energy monopolies would maintain control. The US needs feed-in tariffs like every other civilized country but the nation is too driven by energy special interests to do it.

Like Erin Burnett said on Meet the Press: if you look at transformative periods in American history, you know, we went from being an agricultural economy, for example, to an industrial one, and you saw that big shift in jobs. That's what it seems like they've tried to identify, that we're in the midst of one of those shifts. We've been using--losing manufacturing jobs since 1980. This has been, to your point, a very long process. So what comes next? They've identified that as alternative energy. That's going to be where it comes from. We're going to do retraining. But there's a huge question mark as to whether that's possible. And when you look at where the leadership, by the way, in that area is coming from, it is clear it is coming from China. All the main areas and all--not just the jobs, the innovation has actually come from there. So if it's alternative energy, it's very unclear how we capitalize on that and get job growth.
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4 of 13
September 15, 2009
Hi:

I was just watching Planet Green the other day, their series on Geo-engineering. One of the ideas was to put solar radiation diverters in outer space to reflect a small percentage of the sunlight to cool things down... at a cost of 5 trillion dollars. Just think of what 5 trillion could do for mandated solar thermal housing, mandated residential PV, mandated GEO-thermal, mandated solar building orientation.. etc.. Of course the key word is mandated. It is truly amazing.... we have people looking for these kinds of solutions because we are unwilling to rein in our own system monopolies which block and threaten our very own global survival. This paradox fits right up there with, "what happens when an immovable object encounters a insurmountable force." Nothing but frustration and impotence.

.....Bill
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5 of 13
September 15, 2009
Barbara,

If you're going to use European countries as evidence of what to expect with growing levels of renewables, then pick countries where renewables already play a significant role in the power generation mix, i.e. NOT the UK but rather Germany, Sweden, and Denmark. In Germany, renewables (mostly wind) already cover over 14% of the power generation mix (and climbing) and they have caused ZERO blackouts. That is a *fact* as opposed to your citation of the REF's prediction or conjecture.

And you've completely missed the point of Ira Ehrenpreis's statement. His point is that renewables are an increasingly attractive investment in their own right (particularly wind, which is further along the cost-reduction curve) and not simply a donation to a worthy cause. And even if the renewable industry makes a decent profit, why shouldn't they. I don't hear you complaining about the fossil-power industry making a profit by polluting the environment. So why shouldn't renewable power companies profit by cleaning it up?
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6 of 13
September 15, 2009
Windpower is a sham to make money and show renewable energy can't work.

Electric Light and Power January 2009: "If wind is a small part of generation, its intermittency brings few operating problems because a sudden calm is indistinguishable from an ordinary generation or transmission outage. When it reaches approximately 10 to 15 percent of power production (within the range of proposed federal standards), the added costs of units that must run to ensure reliability can become substantial. Properly, they are part of the cost of wind generation, but we seldom see them counted. Even wind's alleged successes bring important questions for the U.S. As advocates claim, wind produces nearly 20 percent of Denmark's total generation. Fortunately, that nation is a small part of a much larger, centrally dispatched Scandinavian system largely based on hydroelectric and nuclear facilities. Denmark's wind units produce less than 3 percent of the region's power. Load and generation characteristics force the nation to export nearly half of its wind power, often at zero prices, and to pay premia to fill in any shortfalls. According to NUS Consulting Group, in 2007 the average cost of energy production in the U.S. was approximately 9.5 cents per kWh, and in largely nuclear France, it was just more than 8 cents. In Denmark, it was 23 cents."

The July 2009 issue of Power Engineering indicates windpower increases generation costs by more than twice, while reducing greenhouse gases by a mere 11 percent, mostly because it must be inefficiently backed up by natural gas.

(In comparison, other lower-cost and more reliable renewable energies like small-hydropower, geothermal and biomass cogeneration could reduce greenhouse gases by nearly 100% at very low costs.)

The biggest problem with America's plan to regulate a large-scale increase in windpower with mandates and subsidies is that there has been no cost-benefit analysis of this intermittent energy resource.
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7 of 13
September 15, 2009
Somebody please explain to China that America is trying to make a quick buck off them with a "windpower" bubble and sham R&D like cellulosic ethanol, etc. (all the while having no intention of developing anything that can really replace fossil and nuclear fuels controlled by the entrenched energy monopolies).
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8 of 13
September 15, 2009
Many of you are knocking wind energy specifically. You cannot power the world alone on wind. It's going to take a mass collaboration of wind, solar, geothermal, and biomass renewable energies to get our dependence of oil gone once and for all. You must expect slow and sometimes negative progress in something as big as renewable energy sources. Of course it's not going to fix our problems with the first gust of wind or the first ray of sun of the day. Any step towards creating energy without oil and creating it within our country will make us self sustained and better off in the long run.

Although we can altogether stop with renewable energy sources and keep using oil because it's the easy and cheap way out. That seems to be the American way of life from what I've noticed. Sacrafice effeciency for cost is the name of the game we play in this country. But what will happen , not if, but when our oil reserves are tapped dry and we cannot obtain oil anymore? We will be up the creek without a paddle. We tend to worry about situations as they arrive not about what we can do to prevent such from happening.

Has anyone heard of hemp?! It can be used as a biofuel and a hundred other purposes. Before you even judge what I am saying, look up one website about the pros of industrial hemp and then respond to what I am saying. If you are not as shocked as I was about what hemp can do for us , especially in this green movement, I welcome your criticism.

It is time for America to wake up and pay attention to what is going on in our country. Actually the time has long passed but better late than never. We could sit on this blog all day and bicker back and forth to each other but that is just as useless as being oblivious to everything happening in this country today.Write to YOUR elected officials.YOU put them where they are today to focus on YOUR interests. Let them know how you feel about what you feel is important and what should be done. Sorry to drift from energy disc.
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9 of 13
September 15, 2009
It makes about as much sense to ask for good energy policy from a politician, who is bought and paid for by entrenched energy monopolies, as asking for free services from a hooker. US pols are assuring the failure of the renewable energy industry here by mandating that 97% of renewable electricity come from windpower and about 90% of biofuels come from cellulose. Why don't they mandate all nuclear power come from technologies that consume 100% of the fuel (at a cost of 20 cents per kWh) and 90% of gasoline come from coal? The only hope is to take the case to those with the money, like the Chinese, and hope they are less corrupt.
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10 of 13
September 16, 2009
Mike you are right it does seem that the politicians make it intentionally difficult to further any progress, not just in alternative energies. But I am afraid the enevitable downfall of this country will only be sped up if we bring more work to china and become less self sufficient than we already are. There is a company right now that we can buy wind power from CommunityEnergy maybe. If you are that interested I will get the name and link for you. They can sell you 33%, 50% or 100% of your existing power now for a few more cents per Kw per hour. But if this would raise your bill $5 a month to further the research and development and production of self sustaining energy, you would think many people would jump on that. No, idiot Americans would rather spend that $5 at Wal-Mart instead of invest in the future of our country. I think the only hope is move out of our country or start another revolution and rid all the politicians and start from scratch.
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11 of 13
September 20, 2009
I tend to agree with this article in Electric Light and Power:

From: http://uaelp.pennnet.com/display_article/353995/34/ARTCL/none/none/1/The-Case-Against-a-Federal-Renewable-Power-Requirement/

"The case for renewable power is economically weak, and the case for a national requirement is weaker still. The question that matters: How can the nation most efficiently obtain the services that its households and businesses demand from electricity? Renewables should be compared with conventional plants and with measures to ensure more efficient use of power. This is what happens in markets, assuming pollutants carry prices that measure their harms and abatement costs. RPS advocates claim (with little or no evidence) that they already know the answer to the choice question, when they do not. Available evidence shows that renewables can and should play considerably smaller roles than their advocates wish. The future belongs to efficiency, which is not necessarily to be confused with renewables."

I think the bottom line is that once externalities are appropriately accounted for, there is no case to be made for mandating a quota for renewable energy generation.

Also, for the record only 3% of US electrical generation comes from petroleum, so renewable energy (wind, solar, et al) will have no impact on dependency on foreign oil as almost all electricity in the US uses domestic fuels.
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12 of 13
September 22, 2009
Mike,

Your last paragraph just shows how out of touch people are when it comes to how our electricity is generated. There is such a HUGE disconnect between electricity and electrical generation.

Now put a PV system or solar hot water system on a building and they now have a solid connection as to where their energy comes from. Wind farms continue this disconnect. Wind farms are for utilities that want to continue there control of YOUR meter.

On site energy will be our future energy landscape. Utilities that will survive in the future will leave behind ALL fossil fuels because once you have a RE system paid for then your utility becomes a unbelievable CASH cow!

As individuals we have to determine if we want them to sell us "free electrons" or if we do that ourselves which we are fully capable of.

A national RFP will just hasten the scenario where utilities will still control and meter your electricity less expensive than ever before because renewables have NO fuel cost unlike a fossil fuel plants like natural gas or coal fired plants.

John
BeUtilityFree, Inc.
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13 of 13
September 22, 2009
Renewable energy the world can not manage without I think everyone would agree, as fossil fuel are running out. Even with the new finds announced recently. Either 10% or 15% or even 20% or the 50% traget set for 2050. Whatever the target is set at, it is worth striving for whatever the cost.

It depends whether you are born an optimist or pessamist

Like water that everyone has to have to drink, to prevent dehydration. Whether its clean water or not, even if it makes you ill.
Like food that everyone has to eat, just to stay alive.
Like heat that everyone needs to cook their food and heat their homes.
Could ether be wood or chips or pellets to burn in stoves, and furnaces. Which if a you are lucky to have a really expensive one you can produce heat and electicity, at the same time. So combining two things you need from one product.
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Experts can be found anywhere as can be seen in the law courts. They are called expert witnesses. But both sides have their own expert witnesses. Both offer totally different views.

Regards John Gregson 07772 427 761
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