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Something New Under the Sun: Solar in the Sahara

By Matthew I. Slavin, Ph.D.
August 17, 2009   |   12 Comments

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1 of 12
August 17, 2009
and the energy requirement for desalination is how much??
and the desalination waste goes where??

Would need to find it again but I've seen water/MWH requirements of different steam turbine technologies and it's a lot.

The optimist in me is happy that Europe is finally stopping this nonsense of subsidizing people to farm solar in areas where insolation is maybe 1200Wh/sqm/year. This method should give exponentially more GHG reduction per billion Euro investment.
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2 of 12
August 17, 2009
BTW, the water needed = roughly 900 gallon / MWh
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3 of 12
August 17, 2009
There is a new world wide web emerging right before our eyes. It is a global energy network and, like the internet, it will change our culture, society and how we do business. More importantly, it will alter how we use, transform and exchange energy.

Enough solar energy falls on the surface of the earth every 40 minutes to meet 100 percent of the entire world's energy needs for a full year.

There is no energy supply problem, there is an energy distribution problem -- and the emerging solution is a new world wide web of electricity.

For more information, see www.terrawatts.com
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4 of 12
August 17, 2009
"aims to spend US $50 billion over the next 40 years"
The U.S. spends $50 billion every month on the Military to keep the Oil flowing. This looks like a cheap alternative.
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5 of 12
August 17, 2009
This sounds excellent! However, why not, at least for some of this energy, use dish-stirling engines that do not require any water for CSP solar thermal electricity in the Sahara Desert, as well as other desert areas such as those in Mexico, Chile, southern Africa, or in the Australian Outback? It would save lots of resources used to transport water to these areas that sorely lack it. Also, arrays of dish-stirling engines are very modular, could meet a wide range of demand levels and occasional breakdowns would be less disruptive. One possibility would be to use dish-stirling engines for daytime needs and large power towers to store heat during the day and release the heat for energy at night.
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6 of 12
August 18, 2009
A couple of corrections:

* The project is based on research by the German Aerospace Centre (DLR) and their estimates for costs up to 2050 are 350 billion Euros for CSP plants and 45 billion Euros for a 100 GW Eumena-wide supegrid of HVDC transmission lines.

* The picture shown comes from a different project which happens to include some CSP. There are much better pictures here: http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/pictures.htm .

There's a lot more information on http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/index.htm .
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7 of 12
August 18, 2009
Hello,

I belive the right number of investment is €400bn ($557bn) and not just $50.

See source:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/759b35a6-6f00-11de-9109-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
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8 of 12
August 18, 2009
CSP

CSP makes good sense,
In the Sahara where energy's dense,
Harvesting rays that flow from the sun,
Converting heat and when it's done,
Sending voltage north by cable,
Under the sea if they are able,
Making Europe's power stable,
Sounds like lots of fun.

adrianakau2aol.com
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9 of 12
August 19, 2009
Stupid question- can someone explain why the cooling water isnt recycled- why do you need to use lots of enrgy desalinating?
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10 of 12
August 19, 2009
Why are they not using molten salts for this? The heat retention of molten salts enables night time generation, where a water based system would require a fossil back up. Also, draining the Med doesn't seem like a good idea to me. The salinity of the sea in this area supports a number of species that are only found there. Another question I have is how much of the power generated is going to go to Africa? Given that Africa is one of the most fuel rich, but energy poor regions on the planet, I think it should be a condition of the contract that a proportion of the energy is ring-fenced for African nations. And also that once the technology has been proven to work that African nations are given the technology at massively reduced prices.

I know this is unlikely to ever happen, because 'we have to maintain our profits', but given the profits that companies like Shell, E:ON, EDF etc generally make, I think they could afford to provide the technology without reducing their profits greatly.
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11 of 12
August 19, 2009
Natasha, the molten salt is just a heat store, it gets used to make steam to drive the turbines.

Ian, you can't run salt water through a turbine, has to be purified first or your turbine will be history very quickly.

Overall you need the water to make steam for the thermodynamic energy equation to work - exactly the same reason why you see those massive cooling towers at coal plants which also consume VAST amounts of water. Coal plants burn coal to make steam, CSP concentrates solar energy to heat a medium which then turns water to steam.

"consume water" may be wrong term - they all borrow it in cold liquid form, most of it is released back into atmosphere again as vapor. Problem is there is no cold liquid water in the desert, so hence the need for desalination.
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12 of 12
August 19, 2009
Anybody been to Vienna lately? The Hapsburgs got rich from salt found in the mountains, and I mean really rich. There are tons of gorgeous marble and other stuff in the museums still left over from those times. Talk about value added. Then there is Salzburg with black and green mambas and real crocodiles in the natural history museum. Salt is a useful resource. Austrians are still harvesting value from world tourists from investments in infrastructure from the salt trade.

Using water to grow green things on land changes climate over time. One of the most heartening recent examples is easily viewable on TED (Technology, Entertainment, Design) a talk by Willie Smits, but you can web search tons of other examples, from all over the planet. Another of my favorites is contained in Toby Hemenway's book, Gaia's Garden, an example in the U.S. Southwest desert lands where mushrooms appeared on a well maintained small homestead.

Building combined PV thermal units over land could cool the land enough to possibly start growing things, and it's time for this to happen.

Abu Dhabi understands this and is investing to catch the next energy wave.
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