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1 of 43
August 5, 2009
Mike, thanks for this really insightful article and answer to a readers' question. I wonder if there is another option for utilities. Would it not make sense for utilities to get paid for the usage of the infrastructure they are providing. In other words, if I have a grid connected PV system, maybe I should pay the utility a nominal fee, not just for connectivity (meter fee), but also for the number of MWh sent and then retrieved from their grid?

I know that I will probably get a lot of grief for suggesting such a system, but regulators could easily create a system where sending energy from different sources would pay different rates. i.e. power from solar (and other zero carbon sources) would be cheap to distribute (or store) and power from coal would be more expensive to distribute.

Regardless, it seems to me that in the future utilities should be rewarded for maintaining and improving the grid separately from selling the energy that is distributed across it.
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2 of 43
August 7, 2009
The UK has separated grid operations commercially from electricity production and retailing. This structure should allow for additional sources to be handled structurally...although the grid operators need to be a lot smarter about how they are going to do it!
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August 7, 2009
The utilities WILL freak.
They did when I put a double-pole switch on my TV, TV-satellite box, DVD etc and reduced my (already low) electricity consumption by 30%+.
The company sent a team to check on us to see if we were fiddlin the meter.
It was like a movie NO area was off-limits to them.
When I showed the switch and explained we simply switched off at night - they left.
Now I use that event to wake others up to switching off.
We save enough in electricity consumption to have a holiday if we wish every year!! The cost ?? €3.50.
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4 of 43
August 7, 2009
WOW . . someone finally blew the whistle . . First time I've seen this discussed on the media really . . .I've been saying that for years in my weekend workshops on personal energy systems . .No one here in Canada gets that yet. The power they make here is so cheap AND subsidized here that they (utilities and gov'ts) don't really get it yet. When most of the earths population has enough energy overhead every day there is no need for the grid. Once the system costs come down and the efficiency exceeds about 40% it's going to start eating into profits bigtime. Its about "The Control of Power and the Power of Control" . . and they are going to lose control someday. They are already fighting the wind farms here claiming they have to protect transmission corridor capacity for the future nuclear generators. Fortunately, the most recent $24B bid was rejected. Sparks will fly when more utilities/governments wake up to the free energy available to individuals ( See Personal Energy Rights on our website www.truenorthpower.com) and well be watching the fray.
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Anonymous
August 7, 2009
Well--You need to know a few basics. First, residential electrical energy use is a very small portion of the electrical energy used in the US. It pales in comparison to the amount of energy used in commerical and industrial facilities. The utility will not miss a single residential customer.

Second, utilities have an infrastructure that must be paid for and those payments are approved by the state PUC who inforces utility rates. Over time, if there are alternative energy sources, that infrastructure investment will shrink and be less of a burden on the utility, but keep in mind that power plants are designed for 30+ years of life, so it will take a long time. However in the meantime, if you remain conected to the grid, they can and ultimately will charge you for that right and may also charge you for standby power, if you want the utility to provide backup to your system. If you cut your tie to the utility, then they would not have the ability to charge you anything.

Last, everyone needs to realize that these "big, bad" utilities are public corporations with literally millions of stockholders that include your neighbors, friends and perhaps even yourself. People expect a reasonable return on their investment in the stock. The utilities are not your enemy.


Larry
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6 of 43
August 7, 2009
The utilities are the bad guys. Utilities demand monopolies and the right to control and dominate over a centralized model consisting of mostly only fossil and nuclear power plants. They block independent power production from decentralized renewable energy sources like small hydropower, geothermal, and biomass. They are only building some windpower because it is not reliable enough to replace the need for their base-load coal and nuclear plants. They accomplish their control by abusing their ratepayer-financed legal and lobbying force to evade antitrust laws and rig all potential remedies, including PURPA, deregulation and competitive bidding. These monopolists lack the courage and integrity to compete fairly in a free marketplace to deliver consumers the lowest-cost, most reliable and cleanest options.
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August 7, 2009
No worries for the utility companies for the foreseeable future. Sure when a PV or solar thermal system goes on line in their territory they DO LOSE REVENUE. But the impact is very small considering for every one who gets a RE system there are hundreds more that DO NOT GET one on their building. SO utilities continue to prosper and grow as humans build more building every second of every day. Xcel in Colorado made 117 million this last quarter (according to COSEA) Xcels PV money does not come from THEM it comes form the RATE PAYERS collected from a TAX on each Colorado Xcel bill.. Are they worried? Not really. It is just something they have to accept and lose no money meeting the mandates set by Amendment passed in 2004.

Yes 25 years from now we will look at how we made power and say "that was CRAZY" making power in one place and "shipping" it to another when ALL the energy can be provided ON SITE that anyone needs. The RE energy revolution has JUST begun.

Just imagine, once the utilities "get it" they will only want RE energy to sell. Why? because there are NO fuel costs associated with PV or WInd. Now guess what? You have a REAL cash cow because people are lazy and they like people making power for them.

Utilities have so much invested in the existing infrastructure they simple cannot abandon what they have, but they WILL over time.

All utilities are really DOA, they just do not know it yet. They can't stop what is coming. The freight trail (RE) is a coming! Believe me on this one!

John D'Angelo
CEO
BeUtilityFree, Inc.
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8 of 43
August 7, 2009
Mike,

First I must correct something for you. Utilities only deliver electricity. They are not allowed to own generation in most states. As pointed out 1,000,000 2kW PV systems on residences will not add up to a significant quantity of electricity compared to demand.

In Massachusetts there are two towns where the Utiltiy is installing PV systems so they do not have to enlarge transmission assets since it is more cost effective for them. Therefore PV installation may acctually save Utilties money by reducing the PEAK loads in areas saving transmission improvements.

Massachusetts has gone to Decoupling and we will see what happens. It is a penalty to the efficient and may result in less energy efficiency.

By law all regulated utilties are garrantteed a profit so the Public Service Commissions will shape the regulations to fit that model.

Utilties should be planning on reduced electric consumption over the next three decades or they will be joining GM and Chrysler in bankrupcy.
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August 7, 2009
I don't get the author's point. My co-op Ute bill is now divided into electric charge and per diem charge for its infrastructure. (As was the bill from the large corporate Ute I had before them. ) How can they be penalized when where they get their power from is billed irrelevant to system maintenance costs?
Incedentally, the co-ops KWH charge is higher than the corporate ute, but their per-diem is higher. So the large ute had a greater incentive to save on KWH. The co-op structure seems set up to favor them to buy power from wherever they can get the better deal.
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August 7, 2009
Perhaps the point is that the Utes are forced to lie to their customers. Their motivation is to sell as much power as they can, yet the PSC mandates they tell customers to save energy. Wouldn't it work better for them to tell customers that they are "for profit" and want to sell them electricity? Their public face is required to be helpful and their hidden motivation is to profit in all they do. The bigger liar makes more money. Only in the USA.
It's like HMO's.
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Anonymous
August 7, 2009
Mike, I will remove the political correctness from your white-washed explanation:


Today, utilities are using a variety of methods to block the market penetration of PV:

Net Metering Limitations – Utilities and their regulator friends commonly limit the size of individual PV installations, thus making them less cost competitive, and also limit the aggregate of PV systems in a utility's territory, to stop their installation completely.

Increase Fixed Charges – Utilities and their regulator friends increase the monthly fixed charge - the monthly fee consumers pay regardless of consumption levels - to lower the savings consumers would get by installing PV. Doing this doesn't encourage the efficient use of electricity, however, but what do they care since they make money by selling more electricity?

Fuel Clause Adjustments – Utilities can calculate or estimate how much revenue they are losing and then ask regulators to reimburse them, which they do already for many other programs. This makes renewable energy and other programs appear much more expensive to ratepayers than they are and helps increase political opposition from brain-washed conservatives.
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Anonymous
August 7, 2009
Scott is wrong. Utilities own generation in most states. In the states where they don't, utility-rigged deregulation has failed to produce much if any competition and many are moving back to the vertically-integrated model.
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August 7, 2009
Oh one other thing. I predicted long ago that the utilities WILL go to the PUCs and ask for a "SURCHARGE" or additional fee for providing PV users for the service of providing energy when their RE system do not produce energy at all.

ALL RE systems that I know of have to have one thing: STORAGE. Right now utilities DO provide PV grid tied customers cannot do without (unless they have a battery back up system called AC coupled) and that is getting energy at NIGHT from somewhere.

You have two basic choices. You get it from a battery bank in the house or you get the energy from the utility grid itself. After all, AC electricity is on 24/7365, 99.9% of the time. Pretty reliable electricity for FREE at this time.

I do agree that the utilities SHOULD get paid for providing a storage system (the grid) for PV grid tied users. And they WILL get this fee eventually.

Xcel dropped their request for additional fees for PV users a few days ago (for now) but I guarantee they will be back sooner than later as PV systems continue to grow in the stare of Colorado. It irks utilities that they are providing a genuine service to PV users and NOT getting paid for it. They DO HAVE a valid argument!.
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August 7, 2009
John D'Angelo asks us to just believe him that the utilities will eventually lose out to renewable energy. Sorry, but this will be a battle. Utilities plan to block lower-cost and reliable base-load small-hydropower, geothermal and biomass in favor of using mostly unreliable utility-scale windpower transmitted over long distances. When renewable energy "proves" too expensive, they will say we need to build many more centralized base-load nuclear power plants. I think the plan just might work especially when they can rig everything by buying politicians, environmentalists and the wind industry.
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15 of 43
August 7, 2009
This article treats residential electricity consumption as a zero-sum game, that is, there is a fixed amount of power consumed, and if PV provides more electricity to homeowners, then the utilities sell less and see their revenues erode. But in fact power use in the residential sector is growing, as the population and the housing stock grow. With their rapid proliferation, consumer electronics devices are increasing the demand for power as they are used at home or charged. And soon plug-in vehicles will be sucking up power. Utilities like the Long Island Power Authority, which can't keep up with the increased demand for electricity, are actually helped by having third-party PV generation in the mix.
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16 of 43
August 7, 2009
The US economy is beyond saving because entrenched special interests block real change. All the pols can do is try to inflate it up with stimulus bubbles that will eventually burst in our face - HMOs, dot-com, housing, cash-for-clunkers, public health care option, utility-scale windpower, etc., etc.
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17 of 43
August 7, 2009
Oh yes and the stimulus bubbles for plug-in vehicles and cellulosic ethanol that consumers won't be able to afford.
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18 of 43
August 7, 2009
Just some thoughts:
- the actual grid is not fit for renewables
- PV in homes does not supply 100%
- Renewable are never 100% unless you change your life patterns - (go sustainble: live with what you have.)
- smart grid is the answer for the electricity mix
- utilities are entering the renewable markets in Europe and providing services, leasing schemes

The article fails to address how much the utilities can make if they just look to what they own:
- network - grid (that has to be updated)
- customers
The business is about selling and make electricity available and it does matter the source. People are willing to pay more for green electricity.

Utilities will not loose anything, they will just change their business model.
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Anonymous
August 7, 2009
Agostinho must be defining renewables as only wind and solar.
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I find it a little strange that so many people, especially our elected leaders, are so much more concerned about utility profits than about financial independence for ratepayers, grid reliability, energy efficiency, or environmental concerns, which are all so much more important to the other 98% of us. First of all, how many of us get government enforced monopolies and guaranteed returns on our investments? How many of us take NO RISK AT ALL when we build major capital improvements because we are guaranteed full cost recovery plus a fixed profit of 10-15%, even if it turns out the project wasn't needed? How many of us get protectionist policies that crush innovation and competition? How many of us have the right to force people from their homes and businesses so we can build projects that profit us?

What we need is a much more level playing field for point of use solutions. If SCE gets guaranteed rate of return on their dirty energy investments, then we should get guaranteed rate of return on our clean energy investments in that same 10-15% range, or more! That's why Inslee/ Delahunt's national Feed In Tariff bill is essential! Our nation NEEDS most structures to provide some or all of their own power and many structures to provide excess power, right within the built environment, not in faraway wilderness areas. There are a million reasons we need this - reliability, security, energy efficiency, line losses, fires, blackouts, energy pricing and supply manipulations, ecosystem and water conservation, real estate values, ratepayer savings, energy independence, etc.

If the utilities want to stay in business, they need to innovate. Like the rest of us. Computers, phones, the internet - all of these things have moved from large central systems to small decentralized systems and that's where electricity should be. as John Dangelo says, why don't they shift to a load balancing/storage model from a build and generate model to keep up with the times?
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August 7, 2009
Great article, and interesting points. But don't forget that this shouldn't be a major issue for many years to come. According to the EIA, the net electricity demand on an aggregate level is currently increasing overtime; and off the grid PV is still a very small percentage of total power produced (regardless of the unknown future PV growth rates). In the mean time, conservation and encouragement of alternative energy production saves the utilities money by delaying their investment in new large scale generation sources.
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August 7, 2009
Agostinho writes:

"Utilities will not lose anything, they will just change their business model"

True, they will wake up, own and install PV systems and simply meter you just like we let them do now. The battle will be simple: Do we let them meter US for electricity that they basically get for free? OR do we OWN the system and claim rights to the energy that we can generate for free?

To me this is shaping up to be like phones of yesteryear. At one time you could not own your own phone. Then one day we where "allowed" to own them. Guess what happened when given the choice? The tide turned and now EVERYONE owns their own phone. Will EVERYONE in the future OWNS their own energy generation system? I hope so!

Utilities as we now know them WILL become obsolete. It will not make any economic scene to generate electricity at one spot and transport it to another as more and more on site systems become less and less expensive. With the huge advances in energy efficiency we are using less and less electricity, not more and more as they have you believe.

Take for example my own home. When I moved in the previous owner used about 1000 kWh per month. By simply energy EFFICIENCY measures I dropped that to 500 kWh per month. Adding a solar hot water system dropped it to about 350 kWh per month. Adding LED lights dropped it even further. You get the idea. And as I add MORE energy efficiency measures I continue to drop the kWh per month. A building does not have to consume huge amounts of energy if you practice energy efficient measures and than RE sources to provide energy.

The combination of EE and RE is the key to utility independence AND personal energy freedom. Even our President "gets it".
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23 of 43
August 9, 2009
Small generators will always need the distribution function of the electrical companies to avoid the need for expensive batteries. Electric companies will make money by buying and selling power with the only difference that the generation will be coming from many small generators as well as a few large ones. A Smart grid is one key by allowing demand balancing rather than the present almost exclusive supply balancing. The second key will be a suitable legislative framework that does not repeat the highly flawed German model and which sets up a system which is fair both to the small generator and to the power company.
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2008/04/double-metering-its-insidious.html
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2007/07/solar-electric-government-role.html
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August 10, 2009
Just wanted to point out an error in Larry's comment (#5):
1) Residential electricity consumption is a bit over 1/3 of total (residential, commercial, industrial). That's significant.

And regarding your last statement that equates the welfare of corporations to the welfare of citizens - a "what's good for Chevron or Goldman Sachs is good for us" school of thought - keep in mind that while many individuals own a few stocks here and there, the overwhelming majority of wealth is controlled by a tiny group of people. Those powerful people are very happy that you think your best interests are the same as their best interests. This misconception is partly how they convince your representatives to scuddle any legislative controls on their machinations. Don't drink their kool-aid.
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August 12, 2009
gee, I thought it was a dumb question or maybe a trick question...like how can you even ask something like that, was my first impression? The Utility Monopoly will absorb Alternative Energy when it becomes profitable, it's that simple and easy. I'm not a seer but I do know a duck when I see one!
Actually it will be a long and complex transition and a lot more complicated than any of the commenters propose. Manufacturing has to absorb some of the science and funders have to support the development work and/or control the markets, that's the biz model, and as long as AE is struggling, Utilities are happy to keep it at arms length. Should be an interesting outcome!
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August 18, 2009
Solar is manna from heaven. Thank God and stuff how the utilities will make money.
Mike H.
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August 18, 2009
I can't speak for how the PUC operates in any state but Indiana, but here the system is fairly simple. Utilities are guaranteed a rate of return, based around that of Corporate bonds, on equipment. That means they go out and _borrow_ Hundreds of Millions, to be paid for with electricity charges. _If_ they can avoid borrowing money, they (and investors) save money. It also saves them from having to spend money now, for income later.
So, PV and other RE Energy, is _good_ for the utilities, as it can help smooth out the peaks and valleys they hate. Utilities, like batteries, love smooth, predictable power use. That's what PV and RE gives, or at least smaller peaks and valleys to deal with. _Smart_ utilities want more PV and conservation, not less. But, then the MBA's (Management By A------s) are programmed to think very short term. They can't deal with long term realities, or needs, even if the major money lenders would let them.
BTW, the comments about only a few controlling the Co's, is wrong. Most are owned by Mutual Funds and pension funds. However, the people that buy the bonds, do have great control over them. It's called the _cost_ of money. The higher the rate of return they demand for bonds, means higher electric costs.
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August 18, 2009
Thanks Mike:
I can not think of any supplier, worse to deal with, than a bureautic monopoly. It surprised me to read your article because solar on homes or businesses(presently) is like a pee in the ocean to utilities companies but you can bet your money, they are making plans to avoid even a small "tinkle." Publicly, they are "gung-ho."

Personally, I have proof of their concern. I owned and operated a company that installed over 300 home solar water systems, under President Carter's mandate in 1978. Each system had to be approved by this group of noble servants. They did more than their share, to make certain those in the industry, either went broke or crazy.

They are extremely proud of their marvelous history, with over 2,000 articles eluding to that fact, on their web site. Not even ONE article mentions the program mandated by our president. My crew of 36 employees has, directly or indirectly, assisted in the creation of over 36 million kilowatt hours by means of clean energy.

Currently, they proudly push photo-voltaic, net metering, etc. but "thermal" is mentioned ever so slightly. Their answer to reducing the cost of heating water is, "buy a low energy electric water heater."
I do not want a war with them because I was so handily defeated last time.
I was so tightly bound in red tape, I lost all ability to overcome other entities
seeking my destruction.

Most people realize that we cannot be controlled, unless our power is controlled.
On a side note: Do most realize that 20% of power produced is lost because of transmission? My goal is "point of use" independence.
Anonymously Jim
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Anonymous
August 18, 2009
In researching this sector from a larger scale project development/ finance perspective I heard many comments about the utilities being the problem. 1) they didn't care about renewable -they had to be legislated to use them. 2) if you wanted to tie to them it has been almost impossible - one has had to threaten or proceed with legal action to tie in.

While many people will view this from a home owner perspective projects scale to utility size projects. The latter take years of work and planning. This will stop if utilities don't allow others to develop projects.just taking the stance will dry up financng.

Much of the recent tax incentives are designed to stimulate the economy. ie provide jobs , and also drive the use of renewable energy. With the announcement of the incentives many new businesses have been started. The utility's stance will hamper / a good portion of the independent project developer.

By allowing the utilities to control the tap so to speak and at the same time take advantage of the tax incentives it has the potential to greater hamper smaller businesses, limit job creation and financing potential. if a financier now thinks the utilities will not connect they will not provide cash. Only the utilities and big solar manufacturers will benefit which seems to defeat many benefits of the tax incentives in this economy.

I know that a utility is a business like others with high infrastructure costs and low returns and must look after themselves. There just needs to be more of a balance.

one thing is that there is the long term potential to use a combination of renewable to create self contained mini utilities so to speak.

FYI this stance by the utilities has caused our management team to look at foregoing the US for other markets with open business, If one ties this type of policy with the general high misuse of the legal system as a business tool lots of places are more attractive.
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August 18, 2009
John Dangelo wrote:
Take for example my own home. When I moved in the previous owner used about 1000 kWh per month. By simply energy EFFICIENCY measures I dropped that to 500 kWh per month. Adding a solar hot water system dropped it to about 350 kWh per month. Adding LED lights dropped it even further. You get the idea. And as I add MORE energy efficiency measures I continue to drop the kWh per month. A building does not have to consume huge amounts of energy if you practice energy efficient measures and than RE sources to provide energy.

We (2 persons, 860 sft) also use the potential of energy efficiency.
We managed to get as low as 176 kWh per month - to our surprise - without solar hot water, without a water efficient washing machine and we still use our dryer and dish washer and gadgets.
But with a new refrigerator, double water pipe insulation 100% of the pipe length and water heater blankets, 1.6 Gallon shower head, CFL everywehere, absolutely no standby energy, 57 water and 40 refrigerator temperature. Because the condo is now well air tight, we don't need a air condition, only a small fan drawing cold air in during night (at 89!).

Cost of the project: $1000, pay back: 2.2 Years

So never underestimate the power of energy efficiency. Far cheaper than PV! Tips to save energy can be found everywhere. Begin with water and heating, and buy a kill a watt power meter (very essential).

A 4 kW PV system provides 100% electricity to power our house and our e-car.

When the new heat pump water heaters will come out hopefully end of 2009 we will install one. Then we will be down to 130 kWh per month. Well, not worth billing us (the connection cost ist the biggest part).

The future is here, the future is efficient, the future is decentralized power generation, the future is sunny. But I think utilities don't want yout to understand this.

Dear power utilites, good luck!

Diego
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August 18, 2009
It is time for utilities to change. In 1960, Theodore Levitt wrote in the Harvard Business Review, "Who says that the utilities have no competition? They may be natural monopolies now, but tomorrow they may be natural deaths. To avoid this prospect, they too will have to develop fuel cells, solar energy, and other power sources. To survive, they themselves will have to plot the obsolescence of what now produces their livelihood." See Marketing Myopia at http://www.casadogalo.com/marketingmyopia.pdf
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August 19, 2009
If they are smart the utilities will get in the business of leasing solar power systems to homeowners and commercial customers.
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August 19, 2009
Mike :
I believe the utilities will do just fine as more and more individual home owners switch to PV power. Here on Long Island, the few who do have PV generation from their roofs and are grid connected, and who generate more power than they consume are receiving from LIPA, at one quarter the rate that LIPA itself charges its customers. Therefore, without much investment, independant producers are supplying LIPA with power that it re-distributes to its other customers at the full rate. What this means, is that utilities themselves get power at very low cost and, eventually, utilities will become more like power 'communication' companies the generating companies. Other independant power producers such as our Town of Hempstead Incinerator are also producing power. LIPA already bills its customers for its distribution network as a separate charge. Since most existing homes here in this densely over developed area were not constructed with the best possible solar alignment in mind, there will always be a need for utility generation and re-distribution to those who can't enjoy independently produced power. People who install "stand-alone" systems must also use storage. However, they realize 100% of value of the power they generate. Like one of your commenters noted, I too installed a double pole-double throw switch so i could switch (manually) off from LIPA to my own system during storms, etc. Mine is only a 'back-up' system sized for three days. Perhaps some day, i will install an automatic utility interconnect. In the mean time, all independant power generation adds to the nation's independance. And, that's the MOST important thing . Forget "green", going solar is patriotic.
GRG
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August 19, 2009
There seem to be some important points missing from this article and the thread of comments regarding the the solar pv plays for utilities.

Firstly, utilities are required to guarantee electricity supply at all times. They do this by procuring energy by procuring energy supplies to meet the fluctuating demands for electricity. The fluctuations in demand are grossly affected by season and time of day.

Simplistically, Utilities use 3 load categories: Base, Intermediate & Peak. Base load (operating 24 hours/day) is supplied by generating plants that have the highest infrastructure costs but low operating costs: Nuclear, Hydro-Electric & Coal, for example.
Intermediate load, generally, occurs morning and late evening and is supplied by an assortment of generating plants with production that can scaled up or down with forward planning: coal & gas, for example.
Peak load usually occurs in the afternoon and becomes more pronounced in the summer.

Utility companies, constantly, have to manipulate their production purchases to meet expected (& unexpected) fluctuations in demand. If we're expecting hot weather over the next 5 days, the utilities will be expecting peak (& intermediate) loads to increase. And the utility will be having to turn their large supplies on and off to meet these extra demands.

Peak load is supplied by the least efficient and most expensive generating plants: old coal, oil and even jet fuel, for example.

For the utility companies, their statutory requirement to meet peak demand, is their most expensive cost that affects their bottom line. i.e. iIf utility companies did not have to supply peak load, their profit margins would be higher.

And, that is the beauty of solar pv. By producing electricity during times of peak and intermediate load, it helps reduce the most expensive operating costs for the utilities. And for future energy increases, it comes with no added infrastructure costs.
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August 19, 2009
Diego,

Congratulations on such a LOW energy bill. Well done. But you are DEFINITELY the exception and not the rule when it comes to America. Americans in GENERAL do not care to do many energy efficient measures, It is EASIER to earn the money to pay ones electric bill. Think about it. You just have to work a few hours a day (depending on your pay) and you have that electric bill paid. Easy and simple. RE and EE is effort and is not the "norm" for Americans. Oh one other thing, it costs NOTHING to hook up to a utility company. Easy and simple and they know it. Its a business model that has worked for 100+ years...

You state:
"When the new heat pump water heaters will come out hopefully end of 2009 we will install one. Then we will be down to 130 kWh per month. Well, not worth billing us (the connection cost is the biggest part)"

Sorry , but once you install a heat pump your electric bill will go UP not DOWN. Your gas bill will go down but your electric bill will go UP , I guarantee this. Heat pumps work off electricity and is an electrical appliance. IT WILL NOT REDUCE YOUR ELECTRIC BIL. It would be like adding a freezer and say oh my electric bill will go down because I just bought a freezer! Not!

One last thing, IF you can install a solar hot water heater, that WILL reduce your electric bill if you have an electric hot water heater but I am willing to bet you have a gas hot water heater, but gas will not remain so cheap forever.
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August 19, 2009
Michael wrote:

"If they are smart the utilities will get in the business of leasing solar power systems to homeowners and commercial customers."

They will not "lease" system, they will own them. It is all about CONTROL and with leasing you do not own a thing , but do have the ability to buy the system at the end of the lease period. If you own the generation than they are no longer in "control". BTW Solar City and others are already leasing PV systems as we type. There is no benefit to utilities to lease PV equipment.
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August 19, 2009
STOP! time to rethink entire issue....
When I started 1993 in the RE business in south Fl. the cost per Kw generation was 5fold more than today and no were near the incentives.
So I and my partner had to think of a way to make this a viable ROI
or it was not going to fly as a start-up or get investors in....
So the idea was to show what we were going after was the Growth in Demand and the Peak Demand. We could not compete as a large generator of electricity so why go that way. The point I'm trying to make is that we must start now with turning the demand down with our PV on all Residential by 2025 this is less than 25% of total North American Grid Consumption.
By then the commercial demand will have grown enough to offset all
residential use. Utilities will have raised their rates also.

We must look @ Growth and use this as benchmark for future and not @
present demand...

SolarmanJD, ceo
ATI inc
SolarmanJD@DCemail.com
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August 19, 2009
Distributed Solar, Wind and Combined Heat and Power (CHP) Biomass Companies make money at the expense of Utility market share. Consumers are still spending money for their power; they are just adding to their personal capital investment, instead of giving the money to a utility to build another Coal or Nuc.The solution is for Utilities to invest in these technologies and build them locally, instead of transporting our energy from hundreds of miles away. It takes more money for us to invest in smaller locally distributed systems, money which Utilities fight not to spend. It will be their loss in the long run, unless they change.

On another front, if our goal as Public regulators of Utilities is to reduce GHG and mitigate Climate change while still allowing utilities to make a 10% profit, we need to Decouple Utility earnings from increased sales;

By decoupling earnings from electricity and natural gas sales, we can reduce GHG emissions by having them to enact an Inclining Block rate per kilowatt hour system which will encourage everyone to be more energy efficient by charging a lower rate for the first 1000 watts used, then a higher rate after that. The combination of the two can still equal a standard rate, but an Inclining Block rate system will reward small energy users and charge more for big energy users who are the ones driving the need for more energy production development.

Rate payers have to pay for the Capital costs of new Coal or Nuclear plants. Instead we should have to option to reject these forms of production, in favor of local Solar, Wind, and Biomass energy production. I feel a lot better about paying a $2~$10 monthly surcharge when it's being used to create jobs and industry in my local area.

Decoupling earnings, establishing a Feed-In Tariff, Charging $30~$80 a ton or more for CO2 emissions, enacting a strong mandatory Renewable Energy Portfolio standard (30% by 2025) and other measures should be the baseline we demand of our Utilities
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39 of 43
August 19, 2009
It is unfortunate that people may be penalized for installing PV by the utilities increasing connection charges. However, we are beginning to have incentives for storage, which can negate the need for cycling generation. Electricity storage is essential to enabling wind and solar. Then utilities don't need to chase demand with cycling generation and generation resources that are idle much of the time, but still need to be paid for. As an engineer, I understand that cycling power plants is inefficient and rough on the equipment, and as a business owner, I would not want idle revenue generating assets. So, storage needs to be a revenue source for utilities. I am naturally biased as my company is developing storage, which we are doing because we see it as a game changer that will enable intermittent resources such as wind and solar. Storage can take the place of cycling generation, and at less cost to consumers and still maintain revenue for the utilities.
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40 of 43
August 19, 2009
Bill,

You are right on the money. YOU HAVE TO HAVE STORAGE TO MAKE PV AND SMALL WIND SYSTEMS "WORK" FOR PEOPLE. Utilities will become "storage" companies and derive a revenue stream from haveing PV systems hooked up to their lines. As they start tacking more and more charges on to peoples bills many people will say "bye bye" but not enough for the utilities to worry about. People are "lazy" for the most part when it comes to energy and having people generate power for them.

When the utility company starts tacking on storage charges to our electric bill (and they will eventually) grid tied system (5 kW) that is most likely the day I start planning to disconnect. I checked my contract with them and I can disconnect my PV system anytime with no penalty. The 15K we got as a rebate check was money well spent!
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41 of 43
August 19, 2009
John,

no, we use a electric water heater, not gas.

You state:
... Americans in GENERAL do not care to do many energy efficient measures, It is EASIER to earn the money to pay ones electric bill. Think about it. You just have to work a few hours a day (depending on your pay) and you have that electric bill paid. Easy and simple. RE and EE is effort and is not the "norm" for Americans.

Well, nothing to say against, but we prefer to do the effort of efficiency upgrades ONCE. For the rest of the time others have to work for paying their electric bills we plan our vacations :-)

Greetings, D.
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42 of 43
August 19, 2009
D,

I am surprised your electric bill is so low considering you have an electric hot water heater.

Yes one can take the money they save from ones EE and RE efforts and travel or do what ever they want with the money that would have gone to pay for a "service" that the utilities provide for us but that we can almost all supply for ourselves! It seems to me that most people are "slaves" to to utility companies and don't even realize it. But one day that MAY all change.

Look into a solar hot water heater and drop your kWh usage even more bill even more ( and maybe even travel a little further)

I actually have started a PV energy savings account in which I bank the money I save each month from my PV system. Yes one day it will be spent on my needs instead of their corporate greed.
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43 of 43
October 4, 2009
I livein Ontario, Canada, and we have a PV system at our home. It is a 2kw worth of panels, and our monthly charge for electricity for the past four months has been $0.00! We have a low profile, having replaced nearly all of our light bulbs with the "twisty flourescent" ones. We also upgraded some appliances, including the TV, computer, etc., and installed a switch to turn off the stereo. (Darn thing consumes 30w even while turned off!)

Our PV system is grid-tied. I admit that I haven't read all of the preceeding messages, so perhaps this comment has already been made.

I look at it this way: My PV system puts power into the grid when it is producing more than I use. This power is used by persons unknown, likely my neighbors. The utility company gets paid by those persons for the power which I generated. This is free income for the utility, for which they charge their rate, plus fuel cost adjustment and line loss. So in effect, my PV system is actually profeting the utility, since there are long stretches of time where my PV system is producing much more than I am using. If 10% of the users did this, why wouldn't the power utility be happy about it? The answer is that they don't think about the whole picture.

BTW, I am an Electrical Engineer by training.
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