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U.S. Military Leads Green Charge

By Bill Opalka, Editor-in-Chief, Energy Central Topic Newsletters
July 29, 2009   |   14 Comments

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One of the first efforts in the early 2000's was at Dyess Air Force Base in Texas, which became the first facility to be 100 percent renewable.
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1 of 14
July 29, 2009
For the East Coast, a connected Grid of Offshore Wind Farms could produce up to 330 GW of power.

http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2007/feb/wind020107.html

Eleven East Coast governors are calling for an East Coast Offshore Wind connection Grid to tap into local resources as opposed to importing Wind energy from Midwest sources that are hundreds of miles away . An East Coast interconnected Offshore Wind grid would bring energy resources directly to the end users, while creating Jobs and Investment in local economies.

East Coast Governors Letter to Congress and Senate May 2009 requesting support for Regional Development of Offshore Wind Resources:

http://files.eesi.org/governors_051109.pdf

For Virginia, the Offshore Wind feasibility studies have already been completed by the Virginia Coastal Energy Research Consortium ( VCERC: http://www.vcerc.org/ ) which estimate that Virginia get 25% of it's total energy needs from Offshore wind alone by 2025, and do it at a lower price than coal and nuclear production. This will also help military installations meet their 25% by 2025 mandates.

Offshore Wind Potential in VA July 17th, 2009

http://files.eesi.org/hagerman_071709.pdf

Environmental and Energy Study Institute Conference July 17th, 2009

http://www.eesi.org/071709_offshore
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2 of 14
July 29, 2009
I am all for renewable energy but if this cost $100 million to build and saves $1 million a year then it looks like at this rate it won't break even for 100 years providing there is zero maintenance costs during that 100 years. I realize there is the environment to consider too. But I hope that these projects can become more economically feasible.
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3 of 14
July 29, 2009
I couldn't agree with you more Jack Morrison - 74117. Going green or being environmentally conscious does not mean you need to all sense of ROI. We should be looking at technology that gives a faster and more substantial return on investment.
ElectraTherm http://tinyurl.com/ktxlq5 using their technology to harness geothermal waste heat for energy. Their technology has an ROI of only about three years.
There is plenty of other clean technology that has a reasonable ROI like ElectraTherm. Why aren't we using them?
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Anonymous
July 31, 2009
The $1 million savings vs. the $100 million cost does not mean that it will take 100 years to recoup the cost.

If the base was paying $4 million/yr for electricity, and is now paying $3 million/yr, then it is indeed saving $1 million/yr. However, that $3 million/yr would be going toward the initial cost of the solar installation. This is just an example, as the exact figures for the base were not provided.

Another way to look at it: is it better to pay $4 million/yr to rent, or $3 million/yr to own?
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5 of 14
July 31, 2009
Besides cost saving is not the only benefit in this very early stage of renewable energy development. Some such benefits are the training of staff, stimulating home-based production of renewables which will pay off later, jobs per megawatt installed and the experience of building energy neutral bases is priceless for the military.

It is too early to think only for cost.
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6 of 14
July 31, 2009
I like geothermal the best. Solar panels must deteriorate being exposed to the elements continuously. Also wind generators are exposed and depend on the wind for full output.

In geothermal you drive the pipes into the ground, and the pipes last at least 100 years, maybe longer with modern materials. Maybe we can put a pipe in the ground that will work for a thousand years. The temperature difference is constant, sun light is not, and wind is not. China lake knew this a few years ago.
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July 31, 2009
@ Jack Morrison - I can't believe Renewable Energy World, of all sources, has done such a poor job of covering this.

Nellis AFB has what's called a Power Purchase Agreement for their solar panels. This means the following:
1) Nellis didn't pay any of the $100M upfront cost
2) Nellis now pays their energy bills to investors instead of the utility
3) The investors cover their investment out of the bills they charge to Nellis

So the 100 yr payback is completely wrong. I don't have access to the financials but i would guess it's more like 3-5, with a hugely positive NPV (especially since it's built on a capped landfill, so there's 0 oppty cost to this land use; you coudln't have done anything else with it).
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8 of 14
July 31, 2009
You are right-the simple payback is 100 years. However, I think that the reason there are investors is because they can use the tax benefits. I am sure the after tax returns are pretty good, or why would anyone invest?
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July 31, 2009
Peter-I don't want to argumentative, but regarding geothermal, I understand that there is always some chance that you might have to drill different holes over time, or lose the resource entirely.
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10 of 14
July 31, 2009
I WAS IN SCOTLAND A FEW YEARS AGO AND WAS WATCHING THE RAF MAKE TOUCH AND GOs ON A RUNWAY RIGHT NEXT TO A WINDMILL FARM!!

NELLIS PUSSEY USAF PILOTS HAVE WINED THAT THEY CAN'T FLY OVER NEVADA WHEN A WINDMILL FARM IN CONSTRUCTED!!

A REAL SHOCKER FOR USAF PILOTS FLYING OVER PICKEN'S WINDMILL FARMS IN TEXAS!!
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Anonymous
July 31, 2009
Is Solar Thermal or Solar PV Installer a new MOS yet?
(Military Occupational Specialty)

When that happens, the civilian world will end up with trained personnel to interface with plumbers and electricians for retrofits.

People might even sign up just to get this skill, like they used to for Mechanic....
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12 of 14
July 31, 2009
I was instrumental in transferring DOD developed technology to local government in the early Seventies under an NSF grant I directed for the National League of Cities/U.S. Conference of Mayors.

I was amazed at all the great 'stuff' the military had developed that cities could use...nearly all of it was locked up in security red tape....so we created a program that enabled cities to hire a scientist with a high security clearance.

I've occasionally run across Alt. energy 'appliances' developed for DOD that would have a high degree of marketability....U. of Indiana's anaerobic digester for the Marine corps bases in IRAQ...portable and capable eating nearly all the organic waste produced. The navy pioneered fuel cells and nuclear power plants. The Air Force has done solar and composites.

BTW...offshore wind sounds great on paper; but the costs of bringing power onshore are horrendous. ....Never forget the evaluation of five major offshore European wind farms that revealed that they would produce between 25% to 33% of the nameplate capacity!
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August 2, 2009
Jack Morrison-------"July 29, 2009
I am all for renewable energy but if this cost $100 million to build and saves $1 million a year then it looks like at this rate it won't break even for 100 years providing there is zero maintenance costs during that 100 years. I realize there is the environment to consider too. But I hope that these projects can become more economically feasible."-----------

I think the more accurate way of figuring pay off is the cost difference between two options. What the system that was replaced was costing and would have cost to replace.
I don't think there is any real way to compare----we aren't given the numbers.
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August 3, 2009
SolarmanJD
This is easy to overcome, stop thinking of just one AE source. Wind alone
as you have seen is not cost effective....So for over 20years I have touted
Solar, Wind and Tidal-Flow or Wave Generation on one platform offshore...now a Hybrid of all 3 NOW YOU HAVE A POWERHOUSE OF GENERATION @ LESS COST OVERALL... BETTER ROI ALL ROUND...

SolarmanJD, ceo
Advanced Technology Industries Inc
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