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How PV Manufacturers Are Driving Down Costs

By Jennifer Kho, Contributor
July 31, 2009   |   12 Comments

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Rainer Gegenwart, CEO of Masdar PV, said he expects to see solar companies start to collaborate in order to purchase materials— including "glass, foils, gas, everything" — in bulk.
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1 of 12
July 31, 2009
First Solar should also be "insured up the hilt" for when a fire on one of it's installations causes toxic, poisonous cadmium gas to be emitted into the atmosphere, endangering the HAZMAT team and surrounding environs, including neighbors.
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2 of 12
July 31, 2009
There's not much danger of cadmium gas from a rooftop PV house fire.

http://www.nrel.gov/pv/cdte/cadmium_facts.html
"Do CdTe modules present health risks during a fire?
The flame temperature in typical U.S. residential fires is not high enough to vaporize CdTe. Flame temperatures in roof fires range from 800º-900º C, and flame temperatures in basement rooms range from 900º-1000º C. The melting point of CdTe is 1041ºC, and evaporation starts at 1050ºC. Sublimation occurs at lower temperatures, but the vapor pressure of CdTe at 800ºC is only 2.5 torr (0.003 atm) The melting point of CdS is 1750ºC, and its vapor pressure due to sublimation at 800ºC is only 0.1 torr. Preliminary studies at Brookhaven National Laboratory and at the GSF Institute of Chemical Ecology in Germany showed that CdTe releases are unlikely to occur during residential fires or during accidental breakage. The thin layers of CdTe and CdS are sandwiched between the glass plates, and at typical flame temperatures (800º-1000ºC), these compounds would be encapsulated inside the molten glass, so any Cd vapor emissions are unlikely."
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3 of 12
August 2, 2009
Thanks Carolyn, I did not know those facts. I've already installed SolarPower's panels on a house I'm building, a 6-8 kw system with inverter and transfer switch, costing about $22,000, the first of 3 units. These are the crystaline si panels. Another vendor is pushing UniSolar's thin film but its cost, also around $22K, puts out only 2kw. I know that heat affects crystaline more than thin films, but the cost benefit ratio still points towards the former. To be off grid, I will need another 2 units and I'll probably go ahead with more SolarPower's units. I already installed a solar water heater(Solahart), and using as much Solatubes for lighting.

I appreciate any and all advice.....Thanks, Wes
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4 of 12
August 4, 2009
There is now a strong reaction to alt. energy installations; whether wind or even solar thermal based on 'problems' which arise later on.

My neighbor a 'green' builder went away for two weeks. He's now in Arizona; two days ago a low impact toilet on the second floor 'broke', and water leaked into the kitchen, through load bearing walls, and through many square feet of ceiling dotted with lights.

His partner was standing in the yard yesterday afternoon on his cell phone, and totally dumbfounded on how a 'toilet' could 'break'.., his estimate was about $72k in damages and a new kitchen!

Solar tubes could potentially be as much a hazard to fire fighters as battery powered cars would be to first responders.

I've been invited to a meeting tonight on the town's first WIND TURBINE ordinance; and it appears that we're moving from simple regulations, i.e. height, safety zones; to a comprehensive permit that even includes abandonment escrow accounts and annual maintenance.

The solar industry would be wise to tune into these local discussions because they often include issues which go far beyond manufacturing costs; and into safety & liability issues.
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5 of 12
August 4, 2009
Wesley,
The last time I looked at UniSolar's warranty it only 20 years, compared with 25 years for crystalline silicon modules.
http://www.hamcontact.com/unisolar/warranty.html
For that reason, I personally am wary about buying them. Though that's not as bad as Global Solar's warranty for CIGS modules at only 10 years.
http://www.altestore.com/store/mmsolar/others/GSE_Glass_Limited_Warranty.pdf
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6 of 12
August 5, 2009
Wesley,
If I am correct in understanding that 2 kw system with inverter and a switch costs about 22k for thin film panels (so high should be around 6-7 k) I would suggest to go with xtaline silicon panels which lasts more than 25 years and produce more electricity than thin film depending on the location.
Above article talks about falling panel prices which came down to less than a dollar per watt, ho is it possible to ask for 10 fold of the price. Any comment explaining this will be much appreciated.
Hakki from TR
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7 of 12
August 5, 2009
Wesley, your deal for 8 kw PV including all systems for $22k is a very good deal, I'd be intrigued to hear more. Could you please post a summary of the elements in the solution? Eg:
40 model XYZ solar modules
+ $abc support/mounting structures
+ 2 model ABC 5KVA hybrid charger inverters
+ 24 model DEF deep cycle batteries
+ $xyz installation
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8 of 12
August 5, 2009
RUSS...I'm passing on your comments to the appropriations committee, made up of elected citizens, especially this one:

"Things like regulations, safety zones, abandonment escrows etc are details the general public can provide little intelligent input into."

good luck with that F.I.T.!
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9 of 12
August 5, 2009
Wes, one thing to look at in comparing systems - which many people forget, is how heat effects the output of specific panels. Along those lines, make sure your array is not flush with the roof as most of today's racking systems require. Any distance between the roof and the panel assists in lowering temp - therefore increasing power in the most productive time of the season.
we ll would like to know your sources for that good of a price.
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10 of 12
August 5, 2009
Safety for alternative energy sources are a concern, and Russ certainly has a point that few know the facts from the BS (they might kill our birds!), but safety is just different, not worse. There are safety concerns with mining coal, but they are generally known (and sometimes ignored), whereas chemicals in solar panels are generally not known. Dangers in an accident with an electric car certainly should be known by first responders, but I doubt they are more dangerous than possible gasoline explosions and searing heat from a conventional vehicle. They just need to be known and dealt with appropriately.
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11 of 12
August 5, 2009
Your article does a wonderful job of presenting a snapshot of where the solar industry is today and how they are working to not only improve their product but capture their market share by innovative improvements in production and pricing. I would like to make one recommendation that would provide a visual aid to readers, which is to present an array of simple graphs, one graph for each type of solar cell. The graph should show efficiency of the cell versus cost laid over time/life of the cell. Longevity is a central concern, providing the reader with a graphic can answer questions focused on decay rate, return on investment, phased replacement etc.
I found it very interesting how some readers are concerned about hazardous gasses emitted from cells during a fire. In the overall scheme of a house burning, firefighters are exposed to far more hazardous fumes generated by PVC piping, Polyurathane Insulation, Tar paper, Burning Plastics, Electrical Wiring insulation, Particle Board, Tile, Fiberglass showers and tubs, Electronics (TV Sets, Stereos, VCRs, Computers), along with an array of compounds generated by burning wall to wall carpeting. Solar panels are on the roof, in a relative sense they are going to be the last thing to go up in flames if the home becomes fully engulfed, if that is the case temperatures may achieve well over 2000 deg. F which will be the least of anybody's worry. That's why firefighters wear Self Contained Breathin Apparatus (SCBA).
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12 of 12
August 8, 2009
Don't want to interfere with the broken toilet and fire problems here but does anybody know of a solar photovoltaic manufacturer that makes pannels that can be intigrated into 24" wood frame truss centres and form the roof as well
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