Renewable Energy Solar Energy Wind Energy Geothermal Energy Bioenergy Hydropower
 

Big Oil Bets on Biofuels

By Jennifer Kho, Contributor
July 21, 2009   |   12 Comments

Do you like this news?

Email   Bookmark Bookmark   Print   Feed   Share
 
"My gut [feeling] is that oil companies understand that, at some point, they've got to get into renewables."

-- Michael Butler, CEO, Cascadia Capital
12 Reader Comments
Comment
1 of 12
July 22, 2009
$50 million dollars a year is not a huge investment for a company that makes over 2,000 million dollars a month in profits. (that's take home, after all the expenses and taxes etc. are paid)

$600 million dollars is 1.3% of Exxon Mobil's profits for 2008 alone.{$45.2 Billion}

Statements made by XM executives lead me to believe that XM is more interested in maintaining a monopoly position using genetically modified algae to drive competitors out of business. In the same way that Monsanto is using GMO'd soybeans to establish a monopoly market in soybean right now.

The three companies mentioned, XM, BP and Shell had combined net profits of almost $100 Billion for 2008 alone, in spite of the economic recession over the last half of the year.

I have trouble believing that hyenas suddenly lose their spots and turn green----unless they are stalking prey.

You and I are hyena prey. I think the only green they are interested in, is the green we have in our pockets.
Comment
2 of 12
July 22, 2009
Aren't hyenas scavengers?

Why else would XM invest in R&D other than to gain a competitive advantage? Why would Big Oil change their business completely when there's still plenty of money to made in their businesses? Should Burger King stop making Whoppers and build PV plants?

How many green investors exist in the biofuels space that are investing purely for the benefit of humanity and the planet? I don't think Big Oil's interests are much different than anyone elses.
Comment
3 of 12
July 22, 2009
There are people out there willing to investing in renewables, because they already have enough money, that they can't even give all their money away.

There is I beleive an Cree Indian Prophecy.

Only when last tree has been cut down,
Only when last river has been poisened,
Only when lst fish has been caught,
Only then will you find money cannot be eaten.

Biofuel comes from waste, either animal or crop waste.
Burgerking is mentioned in previous article, well another well known company is interested in the concept in the UK.
Comment
4 of 12
July 22, 2009
Just out of curiosity, what does Prometheus Energy converting methane into LNG have to do with renewable energy? The only reason I've ever known to make LNG was ease of transportation over routes with no pipelines or electric distribution capacity.

Is big oil betting on biofuels, or trying to buy out the competition like they supposedly did to the 100 mile carbs. in the '70's?
Comment
5 of 12
July 23, 2009
----------"Why would Big Oil change their business completely when there's still plenty of money to made in their businesses?"-----------

Peak Oil. They are being forced to change. They know something that you don't know. Oil is running out. Even the oil companies know it now.

------"Why would Big Oil change their business completely when there's still plenty of money to made in their businesses?"--------

They wouldn't. Not unless they can see the end of the tracks and the edge of the cliff very plainly.
Comment
6 of 12
July 23, 2009
"Peak Oil. They are being forced to change. They know something that you don't know. Oil is running out. Even the oil companies know it now."

Peak Oil just means that the remaining oil produced becomes more valuable. That's higher margins for Big Oil. This is not a reason in itself to change their core business.

The big short term change Big Oil is making is focus on Natural gas development and LNG facilities. Even in a carbon-constrained and EV dominated future, Natural Gas has a significant market, and Big Oil is going after the reserves to take it into the latter part of this century.
Comment
7 of 12
July 23, 2009
-------"Peak Oil just means that the remaining oil produced becomes more valuable."---------

valuable = expensive

------"That's higher margins for Big Oil."---------

Exactly.

------" This is not a reason in itself to change their core business."-------

Yup.

-------"The big short term change Big Oil is making is focus on Natural gas development and LNG facilities."-------------

Yup---still the same situation for consumers---monopoly on resources for them, and market control and price manipulaton for them. That is why the flood of commercials recently about "We've taken the CO2 out of natural gas." They've always had to do that. It won't light or burn as well straight out of the ground-----it also contains hydrogen sulfide which gives it the rotten egg smell-----that forms sulphuric acid in the atmoshere when burned. Biofuels contain no sulphur. The consumer be damned---the environment be damned---profits are the only thing that counts. You can not possibly use natural gas without creating CO2. It is impossible.

Consumers have to look out for themselves. Big Oil is only going to look out for Big Oil. Biofuels will come from consumer demand, not Big Oil.
Comment
8 of 12
July 23, 2009
I agree almost completely. I think consumers choose to need natural gas though, so I don't think it's a completely one-sided relationship. The environment could also see some benefit if Big Oil harnesses the hydrates and methane for burning that global warming will continue to expose in the Artic. . . . I just don't understand why people expect them to drop what they're doing and lead an alternative energy revolution.
Comment
9 of 12
July 23, 2009
Panthael - before you accuse us of expecting them to drop what they're doing for solar (which is just plain false) please consider what this article is about. It's about BP dropping solar. They're the ones doing the dropping.

I for one am all for Bio-Fuels ... the up and coming energy trainwreck will need a multigrained approach from bio-fuels to nuclear to solar.
Comment
10 of 12
July 24, 2009
Pantheal----in order to use natural gas, you will have to have your vehicle converted. This will cost you about $2,000. And you will still be producing CO2 that was underground. It will still produce GHG effect emmissions.

Instead, why not get yourself a vehicle with a diesel engine. You won't have to convert anything. You can use biofuel directly. And the CO2 that you produce came out of the atmoshere to go into your tank. And everytime that you fill up----the same thing. That is recycling. That is what nature has been doing for billions of years.

Or, buy a flex fuel vehicle and do the same thing. Flex Fuel vehicles cost the same as gasoline only. They have exactly the same options and performance.

Which is easier and more cost effective?

If BP drops solar, so what, you can still buy solar from other companies. If you want to have solar power---put in solar power. I'm all for it. And when BP smells profits in solar----they will jump onboard again.
Comment
11 of 12
July 27, 2009
Mr. Austin - The article is about Big Oil betting on Biofuels . . . the reference to BP and Shell shedding some of their solar business is in there to illustrate what Big Oil is placing importance on (Biofuels). I'm for Biofuels as well, although the Renewable Energy World podcast on water issues a few weeks back got me a bit scared about some of the implications.

In general, I'm not accusing you of anything . . . I just don't think arguments that try to throw dirt on x company for only spending x percentage of their annual profits on x , etc. etc. hold much merit.
Comment
12 of 12
July 27, 2009
Mr. Linn - I don't think NG for vehicles makes much sense either, given our starting point.

However NG for power generation, particularly peaking power and to supplement variable energy sources does seem to make a lot of sense, especially with a goal of replacing coal-fired baseload generation.
Add Your Comment

Registered users, please make sure to Sign-In. We and others want to know your ideas and opinions. If you are not yet Registered -- it's quick and easy. Just click below.
Thanks!

Register Now   Sign-In

Jennifer Kho

View Jennifer Kho's Profile
About: Jennifer Kho is a freelance reporter and editor based in Oakland, Calif. Aside from RenewableEnergyWorld.com, her stories have appeared in The New York Times' G... more »

Advertise With Us

HESLIN ROTHENBERG FARLEY & MESITI P.C. Prudent Living, Inc. K2 Solar,Inc. Konica Minolta Sensing Americas, Inc Intersolar Natural Power Quick Mount PV
World's #1 Renewable Energy Network
PennWell
Renewable Energy World Magazine North America Renewable Energy World Magazine International Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo North America Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Europe Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Asia Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo India Renewable Energy World Conference & Expo Africa
RenewableEnergyWorld.com Photovoltaics World Magazine Solar Power Gen Conference & Expo Hydro Review Magazine Hydro Review World Magazine
HydroVision International HydroVision Brazil HydroVision India HydroVision Russia
Twitter Facebook Linked In RSS Feeds e-Newsletters