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If Geeks Ran the Electric Grid

By Steve Kropper, WindPole Ventures LLC
June 1, 2009   |   11 Comments

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1 of 11
June 1, 2009
Geeks already run the transmission and distribution network, aka the grid. The old geeks keep the system running reliably and the young geeks focus on gaming the system via computer based manipulation aka Enron. Beware of MBA's with spreadsheets. Sorry, that is too harsh, there are useless old geeks and solid young geeks too.

The author is absolutely correct in statements about demand side management and conservation. If young geeks are really ready to lead they could install what they want and need, today, without connecting to the distribution system. Many of the tactics mentioned have been used for decades in energy-management systems. Lead by example. Show us how easy it is to be green. Or, At least cover the consumption from your computers and game-boxes.

It is the consumer who must change and reduce waste. Cool Gadgets will not do much to solve a cultural problem. High energy prices are the best motivators for conservation efforts. Real change follows real pain. Good luck to my grandchildren. And yours.
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2 of 11
June 1, 2009
>>High energy prices are the best motivators.....

Yep ! AND good for our industry too !
boB
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3 of 11
June 2, 2009
The "Grid" was designed by the uber-geeks of the Industrial Revolution - including Nikola Telsa. The design is sufficiently smart that every device connected to the grid can sense in real time the balance of supply and demand. Every generator uses this frequency signal to adjust the amount of fuel or steam it will supply to the turbine. If even half of the devices which consume energy were to use this information intelligently, we would have a realized "smart Grid".
The point is the Grid does not nee more smarts than it already has, it needs smarter loads, smarter meters, and an invention from the dawn of civilization called a market.

The authors suggestion that people would sell a promise not to use energy is mobidly pathetic - in the same way as a farmer getting paid not to kill people (see NC 2008). A Market is not people getting paid to not consume, it is the price of consumption being visible to the consumer - in the same way that the price of a disneyland vacation is both variable by season, and knowable at every moment prior to consumption.

1. Demand side management does not need a smarter grid, the grid frequency has been used for a century to manage supply, it can just a simply be used to manage demand.

2. Self-ownership of industrial equipment has never been a recipe for lowest cost of production - even if your 10 year old can set up a website in a few minutes at home, that site domain is hosted by a domain server, sitting on multiple network backbones, with redundancies, and backup generators, all of which would, if purchased by every domain owner, cause the price of the internet to go up by 4 orders of magnitude or so.

Certain components of our infrastructure should be shared, and this notion of masturbatory energy generation is unhelpful at best.

Nerds don't buy Dells, nerds contribute to large projects such as Linux and Wikipedia, which are hosted in industrial facilities, from which each of them benefits.
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4 of 11
June 2, 2009
Finally Geeks know that information is not a candy bar, while energy is very much a candy bar. I cannot have my energy and also share it with you. This very important difference is why and where the comparisons of renewable energy to geeks, the internet and moore's law are weak.

Building a smart-grid would require borrowing a trillion dollars from our kids, but the smarter grid doesn't generate power, doesn't lower the cost of energy, and in short provides no means of payback except to lower the quality of life for our kids.

Build smart demand devices if you like, but far more importantly, let the market set the price. - This solves everything without borrowing a dime from our kids.
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5 of 11
June 2, 2009
I don't believe that the author has a proper understanding of the internet, or the myth of it's robustness. A search online would reveal that contrary to popular belief the Internet's traffic is rather centralized and there are several vulnerabilities (peering points, top level DNS servers) that could endanger the operation of the internet.

More to the point, I think it's worth noting that the original Bell phone system was incredibly reliable; 99.999% uptime. Is your home internet connection this reliable? The downfall of the Bell system was of course cost, but it's hard to argue that energy is in the same position.

Indeed, the outages you cited occurred in the transmission and distribution side of the house; the centralized or distribution of generation would not directly impact the cascading failure of such a system; though quicker demand management might mitigate the creation of a single point of failure.
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6 of 11
June 3, 2009
Its all about visibility and sharing information. Let people know whatever information they want to find out their energy foot-print and also tell them where they stand compared to others.. They'll do their bit.

Why did Wikipedia kill Encyclopedia? There were sceptics that you could sabotage Wikipedia to enter and promote incorrect facts, but people are inherently good-natured and they like fixing things and sharing their knowledge.

Geeks don't need to run the grid, its the common people. It should be running the electric grid as a social network where every consumer is equally responsible for their actions and they would want to look better in their social circle so they go out of their way to improve their profile.
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7 of 11
June 3, 2009
Hitesh:

While the idea of 'social energy' is interesting; in the end unlike Wikipedia, the grid is an economic endeavor. The rules governing human interaction in social and economic activities are very different and models are not easily interchangeable.
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8 of 11
June 3, 2009
Steve,

Excellent!

To get ARPA, all we needed was one little bit of legislation to mandate and initially fund it. We are hoping we can do the same with Feed-In Tariffs.

Thanks for your article!!!
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9 of 11
June 3, 2009
Mike,
I would suggest you have missed the point entirely.
Back up a few paces and look at the content and intent of the original post, not the exceptions. There are always exceptions. We are reading what he wrote, not what you can't find.
After 25 years in the IT industry, doing network administration and security work as part of it, I would contend that Steve is accurate in his assessment of the Internet.
As for the comparative to the original Bell system, some of us, in fact many in the nation are still running over copper laid back then, and which without a doubt is a contributing factor to those now extremely in-frequent moments of downtime. I doubt anyone wants to go back to the day when you had to wait for the others on your 'party line' to get off so you could use the phone. Now, I considered that to be 'down-time'.
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10 of 11
The electricity grid is a very different beast to the internet. It's like comparing commercial airline traffic control with your local cycle track. The cycle track has a fair bit of tolerance to people breaking the rules and weaving up the track or riding on the wrong side. It can even tolerate walkers and dogs. Try doing that in the light plane around the airspace of a major airline hub.

There are similarities as well. As others have pointed out, the internet requires certain protocols to be followed. You can't just connect any old peace of electronics and expect it to work. The grid has very strict protocols in terms of frequency and voltage control. Without it customer equipment can get damaged and power lines and generators will shut down for safety reasons.

If you want to do your own thing you are very welcome to instal a micro-grid not connected to the grid (a bit like a LAN) as long as you follow basic safety precautions. 120/240 V can kill people. 40 V phone lines and ethernet links can't.
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11 of 11
June 8, 2009
So far, only one person, Martin, has mentioned doing your own thing and installing an off grid system. To me, this is what everyone should be thinking. Why concentrate on fixing and enlarging the grid. If people had their own power supply then they would not need the grid. The geeks of yesterday used this principle, installed their own systems, and the government showed no concern. We should know by now that keeping the government out of our personal lives is the way to go. Once they get involved, we get less and they get more. All they want is their 2 cents from an emerging market that has been around for decades with no involvement from them in the past.
Grid power outages would not be a problem for those who have their own system. Then the candy bar scenario mentioned by Ben would be wrong. If we wanted to, we could share our power with our neighbor. Others talk of a possible monopoly of power companies and once again, if everyone had their own power company there is no way that could happen. As mentioned in the article, it comes down to conservation and awareness of the power you use. Reduce this load, change over to DC wherever you can and invest in a non-grid tie system for your needs.
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