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Climate and the $3,100 Lie Detector

Tony Kreindler, Environmental Defense Fund
June 26, 2009  |  21 Comments

How can you tell when a politician in Washington isn't telling the truth? When they claim that the cost of capping carbon emissions and reducing foreign oil dependence will cost American families "$3,100."

It’s become Talking Point Number One for opponents of action on climate change. Problem is, it’s entirely made up — so don't get fooled. Ask where that number comes from.

The claim that The American Clean Energy and Security Act, with its cap on carbon pollution, will cost families "$3,100" was first made in a March press release from the National Republican Congressional Committee. The NRCC said its number was based on an MIT analysis of cap and trade legislation.

Here's what John Reilly, the author of the MIT study told Politifact about the NRCC's claim: "It's just wrong. It's wrong in so many ways it's hard to begin."

In two recent letters to House Republican Leader John Boehner, MIT’s Reilly asked that the NRCC stop using the “misleading” figure, noting that MIT's estimates are less than one thirtieth of what the NRCC is claiming. “A correct estimate of that cost … for the average household just in 2015 is about $80 per family, or $65 if more appropriately staed in present value terms discounted at an annual 4% rate,” he said.

Reilly also pointed out that the MIT study is an "old analysis that is not well calibrated to either current legislative proposals or U.S. economic conditions." That's important because the legislation now under debate in the House is expected to take further steps to ease cost impacts on consumers.

So why do opponents of cap and trade keep saying it will cost thousands? Either they are ignoring every credible analysis, or they’re very bad at math.

If they cite a study claiming astronomical costs, be sure to ask three key questions:

  1. Does the author of the study agree with the claims about their analysis?
  2. Does the analysis actually look at the current legislation under debate?
  3. What do the most recent, credible, and unbiased analyses say?

According to an EPA analysis of the American Clean Energy and Security Act, an ambitious cap on carbon pollution can be met for as little as $88-$140 per household per year over the life of the program – or about a dime a day per person. The Congressional Budget Office just finished a separate analysis and got similar results. Both studies show we could get all the benefits of a carbon cap for less than the cost of a postage stamp per day per family.

EPA’s analysis sets the gold standard by using two of the most credible, transparent, and peer-reviewed economic models available. It’s not a crystal ball, but it shows clearly that household costs will be modest under a well-designed carbon cap.

Tony Kreindler is National Media Director with the Environmental Defense Fund. Prior to joining EDF he served as president of an industry-leading publishing company and spent more than a decade covering politics and policy as a reporter and editor in Washington, DC.

Founded in May 2002, Environmental Defense Action Fund is at the forefront of educating legislators about developing new solutions that protect the natural world while growing the economy. Through grassroots and direct lobbying, EDAF amplifies Environmental Defense Fund's ability to champion laws that are based on science, economic incentives and, above all, the protection of our environment.

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Rodney Sobin
Rodney Sobin
July 7, 2009
Chrisbird is correct that govt compliance cost estimates are often wrong...but that's because they often OVERSTATE costs. This has been shown for the SO2 emissions (which uses tradable allowances like Waxman-Markey would), CFCs, cotton dust, and others.

The SO2 control cost estimates were 100-300% higher than actual costs.

It is true that some environmental programs turn out to be costlier than initially anticipated, particularly for cleaning-up pollution and restoration activities. In contrast energy efficiency and pollution prevention often pays for itself. There are numerous case studies. McKinsey & Co. well-respected study found that 40% of CO2-equivalent reductions it studied were at net negative marginal cost, with many others at under $50/metric ton CO2-equivalent.

(Side note, $20/mtCO2e cited in some Waxman-Market analyses for future allowance costs amounts to about 18 cents/gal gasoline and a bit more than a penny/kWh.)

Those citing the $3100/family figure--in the face of the MIT author's objections--are being disingenuous. They follow in the tradition of the auto execs who fought against safety glass, seat belts, early emissions regs (met first by Honda I think), CAFE, and so on, citing doom and gloom rather than getting on with job. Their failure to adjust to new realities is what has done them in.
Richard Carter
Richard Carter
July 6, 2009
And the Republican Party can't figure out why they have and continue to lose followers, yet they continue to spread lies and contempt, which when their remaining followers parrot it, they find thems embarrassed by the facts.

Good game plan! Solid foundation!! (of lies)

Just follow the money.
paul tousignant
paul tousignant
July 3, 2009
Emile - where will the "millions of jobs" be created? They will be created in places that DON'T pay higher energy costs, i.e., in China and India. Higher costs here do not make our products more competitive in other countries.

In order for there to be any measurable change in the use of and pollution from fossil fuels, the entire world must change, not just the US. We cannot be the leader in the effort, because we will sacrifice our own economy; other countries will not participate and take advantage of the fact that our costs will rise and theirs will not.
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
July 2, 2009
Not enacting a comprehensive Renewable Energy and Climate Change policy is the greatest threat to our national security that currently exists. We give others an enduing excuse to attack the United States as a result of us poisoning the world's atmosphere. As bad as climate change will affect us, it will affect other countries even more, causing loss of crops, famine and wars. We also severely restrict our ability to create globally competitive jobs by relying on fossil fuel production that benefits a few rich companies over the greater majority of us. We place ourselves more at risk by not investing in Jobs and Education and Production that frees us from foreign energy sources, creates millions of Jobs and Billions of Tax revenues to fund our military and other services.

Destroying our mountains and rivers to dig up and burn coal that pollutes our air and water is not the answer for our security and national defense. Coal supporters are acting in the best interests of vindictive foreign governments over the best interests of our country. As a military veteran with no vested interest in Coal and Oil I am ashamed of those who would sacrifice the lives of our troops and citizens just so they can burn up our natural resources for their profit.

I've read the main points of the H.R. 2454 American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (ACESA) bill and it's designed to create millions of Jobs in globally competitive industries, fund Research and Development for technologies which we can then sell to the Chinese and Middle East (instead of only buying from them), and gives most of the money raised from charging for Pollution back to Citizens, and the Polluting Companies to help them improve and reduce their emissions.

That would only be offensive to Coal and Oil lobbyists that want to keep America enslaved to a limited resources that provides maximum profit to a very few. Veterans who have served our country with Blood reject this limited Status Quo.
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
July 1, 2009
The reasons not to transfer huge amounts of money to the D.C. area are many, although the drain on the rest of the country could trigger a local-currency movement which could be a good thing.

The Enron-government-corruption-connection was not amusing.

Tax credits allow local innovation. Taxes transferred to D.C. allow more corruption we cannot afford.

We need brainstorming on the local level for local conditions. More centralized, complicated rules and taxes drained to D.C. do not accomplish this.

Some general sites I go on are looking for the U.S. to get a street like Iran.

The hurtfulness of this kind of legislation has the potential to trigger that, although I think the unworkableness of it could just trigger more wood-burning and other DIY decisions of individuals who cannot afford what the government tries to force for the advantage of particular interest groups.
Scott Greenbaum
Scott Greenbaum
July 1, 2009
Is it possible that this legistration will result in lower cost to consumers? The cost of fossil fuels are going to rise over the next decades due to increased demand and/or reduced production capacity. Since cost is a relationship between supply and demand (economics 101) anything that we do to improve this relationship by reducing demand will reduce the price of the commodity fassil fuel. Is it possible that this bill can reduce demand enough to justify the cost based on reduced price of fossil fuel alone? No one knows but why not try. One day we or our childern will run out of fossil fuels why not slow down the proceess.
Stanley Kaneshiro
Stanley Kaneshiro
July 1, 2009
I'm no scientist but as a long time Alaskan I can tell you it's getting warmer. People that state otherwise are deluded.
The issue IS in the numbers being used to craft legislation and who decides them. The short term costs for capping fossil fuels are burdensome, but necessary to avoid long term collapse of our country. We cannot keep transferring three quarters of a trillion dollars out of the country each year for fossil fuels and survive.
Russ Finley
Russ Finley
July 1, 2009
Can Democracy as organized handle this level of complexity? Thank goodness for the sixth estate (Internet blogs). There needs to be a way to publicly embarrass blathering politicians. Some kind of weekly BS award.
Joe Morinville
Joe Morinville
June 30, 2009
I am an Energy Auditor and own a Solar Design/Build company.

This legislation is good for my business.

I feel it is bad for America and therefore am against it.

What the numbers do not tell us is the impact this legislation will have on businesses. It will increase cost for all businesses accross the board.

Businesses and Governments do not have money. Only consumers have money. When prices rise the consumer pays. When taxes are levied on any business, the consumer pays.

The effects of the numbers referenced in this thread only take into account the direct energy cost per household and do not take into account that your food, goods and labor for everything you buy and consume will cost more.

What is also not discussed is the point made by another poster that China and India are not required to participate.

The US is acting unilaterally. This means the US will lose jobs to those who can produce products for less money.

Loss of jobs will compound this issue as tax revenues will diminish and more taxes will need to be levied.

The only way for this to work is to include all countries under the same standards. As long as business can avoid this cost by moving overseas the US will lose and this will cost far more than $3100/household.

As I have said this directly affects my business and is very important to me but it must be done right.

Environmental Sustainability MUST be tied directly to Financial Sustainability or it is destined for failure. This bill is not financially sustainable in present form.
ANONYMOUS
June 30, 2009
Tony,

When was the last time you have seen a government program stay within budget? I live in NY, we still don't have a replacement building for the World Trade Center. Every Year its delayed, the cost goes up.

Instead of giving the republicans a hard time, why was additional pages added to the bill at last moment before the vote? Sneaky? I would say so.

Paul Tousigant made this comment on your story,

The republicans do have solutions and alternative plans, but the demoncrat leadership refuses to acknowledge or consider them. By doing so, they are forcing this bad legislation down our throats for their personal gain (Pelosi's investments, for example).

Let us not forget, China, India are two industrial countries, they don't have any plans to start curbing their pollution, yet everyting the US does will not reverse the effects on the earth, just slow it down. Oh, by the way, the estimates on the effects is less than .5%. (global warming)

So, lets hurt our economy, to help the earth, when two leading industrial polluting countries won't budge on helping the earth.

Bottom line, loss of jobs, cost goes up, and once again the tax payer will pay more at the end. And, we have done nothing to stop the effects of what is called Global warming!

One last item, I'm in the renewable business industry. I'm all for solar and wind, but I am also realistic. People tend to think solar and wind is the answer, but its not. Not until the cost comes down where the average amercian can afford without assistance from the government. That is called a tax! So when you say the republicans numbers are inflated, there are reasons that can be backed up by data that says YES, it will cost more.
Jim Seal
Jim Seal
June 30, 2009
First, if the Administration wanted to put all the available information on the table, they would not have withheld the 2008 EPA report that concluded that the earth is COOLING, and is expected to continue cooling until at least 2020.
Second, you need to be incredibly naive to believe government estimates of future costs to citizens for any new tax. Cap & Trade is the largest new tax on Americans in 50 years. When the income tax was first introduced, Congress promised that it would only ever apply to the richest citizens, and would never be more than 15%. Laws morph constantly to meet the never-ending needs of a government whose only goal is to become larger and more powerful.
Third, many of the energy efficiency guidelines in the Cap & Trade bill (especially the ones that don't allow you to sell your home until the 'Man from the government' inspects and approves all aspects of your home) are borrowed from current California law. Look at how well California is doing today financially....
Cap & Trade is a sham. Its a huge new tax that will push our economy over the edge to an even worse economic recession and have no meaningful impact on our climate.
paul tousignant
paul tousignant
June 30, 2009
The trouble related in this article exists on both sides. Proponents of the bill are ignoring opposing views and scientific study that offers proof of the LACK of global warming. The scientific community is divided on the issue, yet the supporters of this government control-grab and money-grab bill conveniently ignore opposing views.

The republicans do have solutions and alternative plans, but the demoncrat leadership refuses to acknowledge or consider them. By doing so, they are forcing this bad legislation down our throats for their personal gain (Pelosi's investments, for example).

This is an issue with too much uncertainty and effects that are too drastic (on the economy and jobs) to be rushed through without proper study and debate. The people voting on it should AT LEAST be able to read the thing!
Derek Boyle
Derek Boyle
June 29, 2009
Good point about the lying in attacking H.R. 2454 American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009. It's not a perfect bill but at least it establishes a limit and price on large scale emission, and has several mechanisms' for funding energy efficiency, payments to the public, preservation of forests, and investment in renewable energy.

I've read a summary of the bill and it's very encouraging despite the many consolations to traditional Coal fired power plants. We have to get past the Obstructionists who have blocked energy efficiency, carbon pricing, climate change and renewable energy portfolio standards legislation thus far. They are holding back our country from creating millions of jobs, from ensuring full education and employment opportunities for veterans returning from War zones, from mitigating climate change and from making us globally competitive in new green industries.

1sky Analysis of HR2454 American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 (ACESA) and recommendations to strengthen the bill

http://www.1sky.org/files/1Sky-HR2454-Analysis_Update.pdf

http://www.NewEnergyAmerica.org
Deb Arnason
Deb Arnason
June 29, 2009
You'll want to read this article and related ones in the new edition of Time Mag - Wind could power the nation 4x over, but the last paragraph tells it all -it doesn't have the concentrated clout in Washington that big coal and nukes have! We need a way to combine forces. MoveOn.org is just now asking members if they want to combine forces to strengthen the Energy bill. Public Citizen, citizen.org, as well as REW, Apollo Alliance and a host of others could act together to make it happen in the Senate. I, for one, would be willing to go to DC if a couple million of us come together for truly clean energy, single-payer health care and campaign finance reform! Let's get together and get 'er done! Deb A

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1906507,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly

TIME article - The Truth About Windpower
Pop quiz: what source of power doesn't come out of the ground, doesn't burn and isn't radioactive? Hint: it contributed the most new electricity generation to the U.S. grid in 2008.

The answer is wind power, the technology that has become synonymous with going green. Companies that started out small, like Denmark's Vestas and India's Suzlon Energy, have become multinational giants selling steel and fiberglass wind turbines; even blue chippers like General Electric have identified wind power as a major revenue source for the future, while the construction and installation of wind turbines will employ workers here in the U.S. Investing in wind power, said President Barack Obama at a turbine factory in Iowa on Earth Day, "is a win-win. It's good for the environment; it's great for the economy." (See the top 10 green stories of 2008.)

But for all the green talk and growth in wind power — it accounted for 42% of all new electricity generation added to the U.S. grid last year — wind still makes up less than 3% of America's total electricity generation...."
Chris Bird
Chris Bird
June 29, 2009
Did I say LESS? I meant MORE!!!!! Everything the government estimates, costs 2-3X MORE at the least!
Mary Saunders
Mary Saunders
June 29, 2009
Who has read the reputed 1,200 to 1,600 pages of the thing? It's a pork pie guys. That's what it took to get it passed. How can anyone know the consequence of it when the full thing wasn't even available 'til the last minute? There are sides on it, to be sure. But which side to believe what of will end up consuming cellulose from countless trees.

Tax credits for renewables would have been more clear; resources could have stayed in localities better. This thing is going to suck inordinate resources to D.C., already a sinkhole with notably little transparency .
Keith Campbell
Keith Campbell
June 29, 2009
First, the cost of energy in America is going to go up sharply if we are to achieve complete energy independance. That will make the diferential cost of cap and trade less.
Second, we are strange creatures; we are willing to soil our "nests" because clean up costs too much and we are willing to bury our problems so our children will be burdened with them. Every environmental issue that has come up in the last 100 years has been "too expensive"; like wastewater treatment, air polution control, removing TEL from gasoline and on and on.

keith campbell, denver
Mike Miller
Mike Miller
June 29, 2009
For sure someone is lying. I just hope that the truth comes out before the next elections. Being a conservative and listening to alot of talk radio, I must admit I'm real sick of hearing only negative towards the Obama administration and what all he is doing wrong but no republican counter plans. For sure, there is not yet any sign of the two parties working together for the benefit on the country which means they all should be thrown out of office.
Chris Bird
Chris Bird
June 28, 2009
When has any government estimate on the cost of a proposed program been accurate? Usually, you can count on whatever estimate is given, being 2-3x less than what it really costs. The truth is nobody knows or can predict what the actual cost will be.
ANONYMOUS
June 27, 2009
It is obvious that those representatives and senators with an insatiable need for PAC payoffs will assume a position on this issue and then find any 'FACT" or viewpoint to support their stance. Such thinking is also the definition of a mind consumed by ego and all its insane tenents. The main goal of the ego is "seek, but do not find". Its motivation is your/our destruction, which also means its own, but never fully realizes it. The ego is at war with truth, always seeking a truth of its own, which is not true at all.
Brian Crounse
Brian Crounse
June 26, 2009
I'm listening to the floor speeches on C-Span right now. I should have kept a list of who has dropped the $3,100 figure- it's a pretty long list...

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