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Are the Chinese Working To Curb Their Emissions?

By Lou Schwartz, China Strategies LLC
June 30, 2009   |   12 Comments

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While the first two goals mirror the “two-fer” benefits that President Obama has described for the U.S.’s alternative energy policy, China has upped the ante with its third goal: taking a leadership role internationally with respect to alternative energy development, which the Chinese believe will be one of the most important sources of national strength in the years ahead.

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1 of 12
July 1, 2009
China and the United Arab Emirates can now brain-drain the U.S. if they choose to, with the dollars they have accumulated.

If they decide to send women scholars here in greater numbers, especially women who have had to negotiate through class and gender boundaries, they will start to get major out-of-the-box thinking going on.

A visit to China impressed me with the courage and curiosity of Chinese students, who learn English on their own, for example, to get themselves out of the narrow boxes the test-driven Chinese education system can put them in.

This may not be confined to women, as both men and women in the outlying areas may have to be outstandingly hardworking and resourceful to earn education privileges.

The hospitality and cheerfulness of Guiyang students made a lasting impression on me. Guiyang was a favorite spot, with friendly people who seemed motivated for learning and joint ventures.

I look forward to hearing about world projects that may be adaptable for the U.S.

I agree that China and the U.S. have strengths to bring that can make collaboration particularly fruitful.

Our tendencies for wild brainstorming could bode well for the disciplined creativity needed for breakthroughs.

Our regulatory system puts up barriers to implementation, in my opinion, but perhaps the silver lining of that is to cause a restless people to range the world looking for partnerships.

Since so many have traipsed the world to arrive on our shores, we have culturally competent native speakers of other languages as a component of our human capital.

Are our MIT fab labs the precursors to the Replicators of Star Trek fame? Some days I think so.
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2 of 12
July 1, 2009
An excellent and much-needed article. The US has used China as an excuse for doing nothing for too long. Now, watching the painful dismantling of Obama's noble energy plan makes me feel ashamed of our political system. While we let special interests ruin our efforts, China is moving ahead impressively. The coal interests seem to own the politicians in this country. In China, I'm encouraged to see an agressive move to build biomass power plants. They have also closed many inefficient coal plants. Since coal has already ruined much of the environment and public health in China, I hope they will soon begin repowering their existing coal plants to burn clean, carbon neutral biomass. The success of Dragon Power's biomass plants could make it an obvious step.
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3 of 12
July 2, 2009
Mary---EXCELLENT POINT! I've thought for a long time that the land that built the first transcontinental railroad, invented steam boats, airplanes, telephones, motion pictures, built the Panama Canal, Empire State building, Golden Gate bridge and Hoover Dam has become the land of the whiners and complainers. The land of the arguementative curmudgeons whose sole occupation is dreaming up imaginary obstacles to bury dreams of great projects under tons of concrete lethargy and apathy.

Tom---it would appear that it is now the Chinesse who will lead the world in overcoming seeming insurmountable odds to do the things that most people thought could not be done.

I guess we've traded in John Wayne for Ronald McDonald.
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4 of 12
Anonymous
July 3, 2009
At 6% annual growth China's energy consumption will double by 2020. Even with your increase in renewables this translates into a 90% climb in China's non-renewable energy usage. The US would basically have to cut CO2 emissions to zero by 2020 just to offset China's growth. The concept of reducing global CO2 is a pipe dream without big changes in China (and India). Action in the US and Europe, especially silly cap and trade schemes, will not move the needle.
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5 of 12
July 3, 2009
--------"The US would basically have to cut CO2 emissions to zero by 2020 just to offset China's growth."---------------

We should do that anyway---regardless of what China or India does.

-------"At 6% annual growth China's energy consumption will double by 2020. Even with your increase in renewables this translates into a 90% climb in China's non-renewable energy usage."---------

6% X 11 years = 66% growth in energy consumption----assuming that energy production grows at 6% per year, and the share of renewable sources stays completely static at the current level. Neither assumption is necessarily valid.

From an article, "There Goes Chinese Energy Demand" by Eric Fox---Seeking Alpha, June 29, 2009:

----------"Here is how the math works:

Oil demand in 2009 for the OECD countries is 45.2 million barrels per day, down 2.3 million barrels per day from 2008.

China oil demand is 7.9 million barrels per day. Let's assume that it grows at 5% a year, or about 400,000 barrels per day.

As you can see, the fall in demand from the OECD easily wipes out demand growth from China by a factor of at least five."---------

http://seekingalpha.com/article/146019-there-goes-chinese-energy-demand?source=email#comment-568513

Not only that--oil consumption in China is less than 10% of US oil consumption. China has about 20% of the world's population vs. 4% for the US. Each person in the US uses more petroleum than 50 Chinese. Therefore-----" Action in the US and Europe, especially silly cap and trade schemes, will not move the needle."------------is a ridiculous statement.
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6 of 12
July 3, 2009
News coverage from China is not very plentiful, and probably not too reliable.

However, some of the news that I have seen includes an announcement by Abengoa, the Spanish energy company that they had won contracts to build 6 of the largest cellulosic ethanol plants in the world in China(this has been awhile back so I imagine that those plants must be nearing or are completed by now---bamboo was to be the feedstock). As of 2006, another article said China was emerging as a major ethanol exporter.

Under automotive news---I saw articles that said China had gone into production of cars that used hydrous ethanol(straight from the still---no blending). Pretty sporty looking cars too. Production last year was set at 1.8 million units----and was expected to be increased to 2.6 million this year. That's 4.4 million vehicles in two years.

Depending on how reliable the reports are, it would appear that China is moving at flank speed toward converting from petroleum to ethanol. Supplies must be plentiful, otherwise, why would they be exporting and building ethanol only fueled vehicles?

Perhaps this is a reason for declining petroleum demand in China
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7 of 12
July 3, 2009
Let's put it another way. If the US decreases oil use just 10%---it would more than offset the entire consumption of China.
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Anonymous
July 5, 2009
Fred, it's not possible for the US to cut CO2 emissions to zero by 2020 without destroying our economy. 2035 might be doable if we went all out for nuclear and electric drivetrains.

>> 6% X 11 years = 66% growth

I know you're not that dumb. Growth rates compound. Our last full year of data is for 2008. 12 years of 6% growth from 2008-2020 is 1.06 to the 12th power, or 2.01. Just slightly more than doubling. If you say it's really only 11.5 years since we're halfway through 2009 then it's a few percent less than doubling.

>> oil consumption in China is less than 10% of US oil consumption

Such delusions! China consumes almost half as much oil as the US (8m+ bpd vs. 19m). But we're talking about CO2, not oil. China uses twice as much coal as the US. Coal is the reason China is #1 in global CO2 emissions and they build a couple new coal plants every week. Unless that changes nothing we do matters.
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9 of 12
July 6, 2009
Oil consumption for all of China is about 50% that of the US. However the population is about 5 times that of the US. Therefore, oil consumption per capita in China is 50% / 5 = 10% per capita what it is in the US. I was thinking on a one to one basis, not entire consumption as I stated. My mistake.



Projected growth rates have not happened yet. Projected growth rates are predictions. They are not facts until after they have happened.

--------"Fred, it's not possible for the US to cut CO2 emissions to zero by 2020 without destroying our economy."-----------

Maybe not----then we should cut it what we can cut it. I do know this, that importing 70% of our petroleum usage is destroying our economy by transfering wealth out of the US to buy a raw material that we are just going to burn. If we continue to do so, we are destroying the capital reserve necessary to have an industrial economy.

Using coal destroys the earth, watersheds both above and below ground, air quality and produces mountains of slag and ash. And we are strip mining both coal and petroleum now at increasingly destructive rates.

We need to stop strip mining coal no matter what China does. We need to stop importing petroleum.

Fossil fuels are finite and will run out. The earth and it's bioshere is finite and can only sustain a limited amount of damage before it is no longer capable of supporting life. Your economy is not going to do you much good if the earth you live on will no longer support life. We can not control what any other country does, but we can control what we do.

If we continue to use fossil fuels, we will become the fossils.
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10 of 12
July 6, 2009
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11 of 12
July 6, 2009
China has watched our mistakes. They will use saved resources to install renewables. A race is on to improve efficiency and local resiliency in energy systems.

The water cube built for the Olympics is a marvel. Harnessing lessons learned from this sort of collaborative effort is a process the Chinese have become very good at.

Fossil fuels enable the U.S. violence footprint and probably prompt it. Military bases leave a place like Okinawa a legacy of rape and shame. Returning the land and apologizing for harm would be the proper thing to do, not only in Okinawa.

Environmental degradation is another fossil footprint that needs to change.

When local people have local grids and connections to their neighbors, they will have the resources and the constructive occupations to stay home and make home attractive rather than going off to make trouble.

When people have worked hard and can visit other places, I have no objection to that.

It's transporting people and stuff in coercive and harmful ways that cannot be supported. Subsidies, onerous taxes, mal-investment and mal-distribution, these need to change.

My observation of China is that they are aware of making capital improvements that lead to more tourism, from which they harvest knowledge and resources.

Carbon taxing stands to make some people even richer than they already are. We have tried schemes that do this. We end up with wars and waste of unspeakable proportions: holocausts for animals, aggregations of waste visible from Google Earth, pollution only a few are working on remediation methods for, salted, poisoned deserts, drones looking to blast anything warm, conditions in some places that are like that of the worst Star Trek nightmare planet.

China, Germany, and Brazil are innovating. We need to join them and ditch the baggage that weighs us down.
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12 of 12
July 6, 2009
--------"We end up with wars and waste of unspeakable proportions: holocausts for animals, aggregations of waste visible from Google Earth, pollution only a few are working on remediation methods for, salted, poisoned deserts, drones looking to blast anything warm, conditions in some places that are like that of the worst Star Trek nightmare planet."----------

Too numerous to list here, but I could give specific examples for each and every item listed----in most cases, several examples.
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