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Solar Takes a Backseat in National Climate and Energy Bill

By Annie Carmichael and Jim Baak, Vote Solar Initiative
May 21, 2009   |   28 Comments

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28 Reader Comments
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1 of 28
May 22, 2009
It is an unfortunate reality that for solar to succeed in the short run, it
does not have to benefit the environment or the people, it has to benefit government.
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2 of 28
May 22, 2009
Yes, Obama and the Democrats are just as corrupt as the Republicans. Obama's political campaign was heavily financed by utilities. The US energy market is totally monopolized by the utilities. Currently, the US relies almost entirely upon resourse planning and competitive bidding controlled by utility monopolies. Thus it is not surprising that renewable energy is almost entirely utility-scale wind and some utility-scale solar. Moreover, the bids are rigged in favor of the utility's own generators and that of their affiliates and their political co-conspirators in the independent wind industry. Our decentralized biomass cogeneration is leaving the country. The US needs a national FIT. Local FITS here and there are not the answer.
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3 of 28
Anonymous
May 22, 2009
When are you solar people going to wake up and feel the wind?
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4 of 28
May 22, 2009
When are you wind people going to stop sucking up to the utilities and back all renewable energies? Never mind, probably never.
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5 of 28
May 22, 2009
In Missouri we passed a bill requiring utilities to produce clean energy... The way our law is set up in short is... If I as a homeowner adds 10 Photo cells at 200 watts each then I am pushing 2000 watts into either a backup system or the grid. So UE pays me 2000 watts at peak usage rates for clean energy. Also at $800 per 200 watt cell is $8000. UE must then pay me $4000 for installing that system on my home. Homeowners then reap the benifits of UE paying for half the cost of the system and then paying for any energy that is pushed back into the grid.

My point is depending how your state law is written the industry could be drivin by everyday homeowners, installing there own systems. Each person has to take action to get the desired results!?
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6 of 28
May 22, 2009
The utilities always make sure renewable energy laws are ineffective or marginal. For example, Missouri limits systems to 100kW or smaller and only 5% of the utility's peak capacity. Moreover, the utility company can take any excess credits the homeowner has earned after a year. There should be a national law to prevent utility monopolies from rigging the state laws.
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7 of 28
May 22, 2009
Monopolies never, ever, give up their control of whatever product they produce. Federal legislation can CHANGE that, if but it will be a long and difficult fight. Simply look at the history of the railroads.
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8 of 28
May 22, 2009
And a big case was:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munn_v._Illinois
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9 of 28
May 22, 2009
As of today, PV cells for microgeneration have a payback far exceeding the cell's life expectancy,including the rebate(s).PV cells are not green, actually probably worse than oil. The 8-10 $/peak watt paid by the greenish customer ends up in the SUV tanks of managers.CEOs,marketing persons,overbearing installers. Stop whining: the technology aint there yet.Start by advertising not on the basis of peak watt, but of watthour/unit time.Yes, utilities/monopolies are polluting etc.,but they sell energy at a cost ~1/400 of the energy made with PV cells. Rebates may drop the ratio to 1/200. Still a long way to go.
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10 of 28
May 23, 2009
Francesco, you should stop whoring for the utility monopolies. It is disgusting that with all of the problems created by fossil and nuclear energy, the development of new cost-competitive renewable energy technologies is blocked the monopolization of US electricity markets and the lack of venture capital in Europe. Our company will prove both wrong elsewhere.
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11 of 28
May 23, 2009
I first became interested in renewable energy over 30 years ago. As a native of Kansas, my first love was wind energy, so I am delighted that support for wind will increase by nearly 700 percent! But I am disappointed that solar will increase by only 35%.

The U.S is blessed with vast tracts of land in the Southwest that would be excellent for solar thermal electric. Solar thermal engine technology is not new. Dish Stirling engines, for example, were envented around 1870. I now live in the Southeast and flat-plate technologies like photovoltaics, solar air and water heating and solar air conditioning have great potential here. The beauty of solar air conditioning is that supply is naturally in line with demand.

The truth is we need to invest in ALL types of renewable energy, wind, tidal, geothermal, algae, biomethane, pyrolysis, hydro, and of course solar. We need both centralized and distributed power, not just one or the other. Some say we can't afford to do this all. I say we can't afford not to. Renewalbe energy is a good job creator. Investment in renewalbes and a smart grid would hasten the reversal of this current downturn which will I think be a depression - though not as bad as the 1930's - when it is all said and done.

We will be in a new decade in just over 7 months. I think the Teens will be the now-or-never decade to resolve the issues of global warming and peak oil. If we wait until we pass peak oil and are faced with the downward side of oil production without a renewable infrastructure in place, we will be faced with another depression. It won't be like the 1930's either, it will be much worse. And we just can't avoid this without investing in solar.
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12 of 28
May 23, 2009
To the authors; I thought that RES means Renewable Energy Standard, not 'Electricity'. That said, we may not forget that solar thermal from current sunshine is storable and locally used while being available nearly everywhere. It must be included in all RPS's and rewarding FIT's because it is capable of replacing about half of most localized energy use, both fuel and electric. It is also independent of the grid and far more efficient than PV or wind. The UTE's won't remind you of this, since they can't profit from it. It isn't sparkey, but it is Hot!
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Anonymous
May 24, 2009
It is your god given right to harness the energy source present on your property and use it. As long the equipment is UL approved then you should not need approval from anybody. It is your capitalism right to sell it for whatever price the market bears. Period.
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14 of 28
May 24, 2009
The problem with your argument is that America is not capitalism, but rather monopolism. Period.
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Anonymous
May 25, 2009
That's not the problem with my argument, that is my argument. The utility monopoly should not not have any control as to my right to harness and use the energy that is on my land. No applications to fill out, no interconnection approvals, no visits to my home. However it need be done, I will prove to them that the equipment is UL approved and anti-islanding and installed by an E-1.

Now, if I want to offer solar or wind kwhrs to some one in NYC for 40 cents/kwhr and they want to buy it. Sold American. Transmission lines should be public for transactions between me and anyone who wants to buy my energy. No one will probably buy my 40 cent/kwhr when they can buy it from the utility for 20 but that's capitalism. Or, maybe they will, more capitalism.
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16 of 28
May 25, 2009
Someone may want to buy that 40 cent kWhr power, if it comes with triple REC's and a carbon-offset market develops.
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17 of 28
May 25, 2009
Our company would like to sell biomass cogeneration for 4 cents per kilowatt-hour in the farm belt. But the utility monopolies only offer 2 cents. Moreover, they won't let us use the T&D system to sell it to their customers. Nor will the pols let us build our own power lines. America is not the land of opportunity that it pretends to be.
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18 of 28
May 26, 2009
The sad but unavoidable fact is that solar will never take off until the cost per panel watt (including ancilliary equiptment) is a quarter of what it is now. Obama could cut the price in half with a few strokes of the pen
http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2007/07/solar-electric-government-role.html
but technology will have to cut it in half again. When that occurs or when other forms of energy become more expensive than solar, nothing will be able to stop the uptake of solar. In the mean time, wind is competative even if you don't take into account all the other costs of fossil fuels which are usually ignored.
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19 of 28
The reality is that solar power for electricity is the most expensive solution on a kWh basis by a wide margin. This is why governments (except Germany and Spain it seems) are loath to push solar power.

The sun is a very "low grade" energy source and it is expensive to "mine". The industry needs to address this if it is to compete with nuclear or coal with CCS. If it fails solar electric power will remain a niche solution for remote locations away from the grid.
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20 of 28
May 26, 2009
The opinions of William and Martin are counter-productive. The reality and sad but unavoidable fact is that the solar industry won't be able to reduce costs until favorable incentives are put in place. The US must demonopolize the utility industry. Europe must establish a venture capital industry. Alternatively, the US could grant solar massive subsidies like it did for wind in California. Remember, before California, wind energy was many times more expensive than it is now.
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21 of 28
May 26, 2009
None of my 12KW solar thermal is UL or NABCEP or SRCC approved, and God gave me the right anyway.
Gee, maybe if money wasn't buying our government we could be better represented. Rather than subsidies for renewables, we could phase out the subsidies for the earth based and burning stuff. When there are subsidies, there are graft and loopholes because it says money in the goal. When happy and peaceful living is paramount the path will become clear to those that want it.
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22 of 28
June 2, 2009
The labor force to install wind and solar energy on a mass scale lives in our prisons. There is a cure for both criminal and drug-seeking behavior, it is the grease on any man's face. 150 mg of healthy adult male facial skin surface lipid human pheromone taken by mouth in a single dose is curative.

Why don't 'This Old House' and similar TV shows install PV and wind systems? Home Depot and Lowes, Costco and Sam's Club all need to step up, too. Would it be so difficult to build a 'solar refrigerator/freezer' with a dedicated, easy to install panel? How about a solar window air conditioner? Two plugs would be needed: one for the solar panel, the other for the house plug for night time, but solar auxiliary would sell down here in Florida.
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23 of 28
June 3, 2009
The money from Big Coal and Big Oil have once again won the day. Our government has been bought and is in the hands of some very evil people. Until we remove all of those people from our government that would sell their soul and our children's future, we will see no reason to hope that there will be any change!
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24 of 28
June 26, 2009
I am inclined to believe we should pull support from the current energy bill. It has simply been too badly derailed. We should regroup, build firmer alliances, and try again. Better solar set-asides, less coal give-aways, more robust cap-and-trade. I think it would be more powerful to take a step back, admit the system has derailed this attempt, and build support more methodically.
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25 of 28
June 26, 2009
"francesco-villa-136511" is wrong.
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26 of 28
June 26, 2009
"william-hughes-66196" misses the point that the energy costs from various sources are dependent on the region as well as a number of other factors. Please visit http://ratecrimes.blogspot.com.
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27 of 28
June 26, 2009
"martin-nicholson-author-energy-in-a-changing-climate-175696" misses the same point as "william-hughes-66196". You also fail to account for externalized costs.
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28 of 28
June 26, 2009
"mike-holly-17241" is generally correct in his assessment. However, it is not necessarily true that further incentives are required for solar. They are only necessary in the circumstance where other energ sources are more heavily subsidized.
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