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Stimulus Dollars Begin to Flow: Here's How, Where and When

By Jeff Postelwait, Online Editor, Power Engineering
April 2, 2009   |   12 Comments

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"There's a whole sequence of events that has to take place. You have to announce the funding opportunity so people can, based on those requirements, submit their proposals. Then there will be an application review process."

-- David Walls, Director, Navigant Consulting
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1 of 12
April 2, 2009
Yawn... This article really doesn't reveal anything exciting other than "we have to wait a little longer until the DoE reveals more details."
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2 of 12
April 3, 2009
It is interesting. I agree with Karl. It seems that more needs to be done to streamline grant and loan processes. at the rate the federal and local government move, they will eat up 80 % of that grant money.
There should just be a department that sifts through the requests. a standard set of guidelines to submit them would alleviate fraud. If they spend more protecting against fraud rather than less, it is becomes worse to protect rather than to just give it out.
I don't know how much longer the NEW Green Collar work force has to wait.
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3 of 12
April 3, 2009
There is too much money wasted on fossil fuel research and carbon sequestration ,1.5 Billion? Give me a break.I thought the goal was to get away from hydrocarbons? Give geothermal 1.5 Billion and we will never need another coal fired plant. And whatever happened to the hydrogen economy? Solar to hydrogen infrastructure is needed, fuel cells made from new polymers,not platinum, instead of batteries, made in the USA, how bout it.? Please people tell congress the research is done. More info on new energy sources is available on the web than I can say here. We need funding for new startup companies in this country, some of which have been abandoned for lack of funding,they could be restarted for minimal investment. Stop wasting my tax money on coal,oil,and nuclear.
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4 of 12
April 3, 2009
Have you ever checked out how to get a small business loan from the government? I did last October 29th and found out it would take me 27 days on average to get the password approved to download the application. The deadline for 2009 was November 22, 2008 to apply for the small business loan. Needless to say I didn't and couldn't apply. The only ones getting these moneys will be the large outfits that can afford the manpower to wade through the hogwash to get the funding.
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5 of 12
April 3, 2009
Large utility lobiests have been on board with directing as much as they can toward themselves in stimulus funds for quite some time, even in advance of the past presidential election. Whenever we see "concentrated solar" anything, you may read it as utility operated, and as such will have their control and margins to fund.
I would certainly like to see more in the stimulus descriptions as they mature toward actual implementation, about aid for individual and small business funding for using current sunshine in heating water and similar processes.
Solar heating on a small scale displaces the need for the massive electrical grid up-sizing. Even REW has taken on the spin model of assuming that "solar" means electricity for the grid. I suspect it's because that is where the big money is. Yet, it remains true that SOLAR THERMAL on a distributed basis is the way for more people to save more money and prevent the production of more CO2 than any power produced through the utility grids. There just isn't the lucretive PAC money or profit spill over for more grafters and geeks to grab on.
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Phil is absolutely right. Here in CA, we have an un-funded loan program for residences and businesses to install energy efficiency and renewable energy generation, and 100% of the federal money (which actually means OUR ratepayer money) should go directly to ratepayers who want to reduce their bills, reduce their consumption and feed power INTO the grid when they have excess. 90% of the cities and counties have ignored or stalled on funding the program, even though it is risk-free and will cover 100% of their AB 32 requirements without costing a cent. Why?

Feed in tariffs and loan funding for homes and businesses are the only democratic, environmentally and economically sane way to use our tax (and ratepayer) dollars. NO MORE BIG ENERGY GIVEAWAYS! and no more decimation of our ecosystems for power production! we have more than twice the generation capacity needed to power our entire nation, right on existing rooftops and in-city brownfields, using only the super cheap thin film PV. shouldn't we get going on that and leave carbon-sequestering ecosystems (like the Mojave) intact so they can do their job?
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Phil is right on target. Our economic system is now heavily biased towards subsidizing big industry and big solutions because they maintain big influence and the possibiltiy of big government control and big corruption. The very essence of sustainable living is producing/storing as and where you consume. Small and distributed alternative energies avoid the transportation infrastructure/resources required and pollution generated (in losses). Subsidies destroy small business because they distort the economic environment. The average small businessman hasn't the time or inclination to pursue grant funding, tax credits, loan guarantees etc. His/her interests, expertise and desire like in the technology and its application, not funny finance. But if you not getting free money from the government, look around because your competitor is and will soon be putting you out of business with it.
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8 of 12
April 3, 2009
Yep, the some of the effects of gov't programs are always skewed markets and waste. Everyone and everything would be much better off if the gov't would totally get out of the markets - they would function very well if they were FREE like they are supposed to be. Although a simple deterant for pollution would be prudent.

One company is doing well - offering a great deal to TAX-PAYERS - with the available credit - designing a 100% income TAX CREDIT - providing an equity stake in their SOLAR thermal power plant at NO COST -- more than 100% funded by the gov't, or / rather, by one's tax liability. And then you own an asset and the revenue produced -- great deal. More description here: www.tnns.org/energy-credit
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9 of 12
April 3, 2009
Hi All:

Come on, did you really think that it would turn out any differently..??.. Power with a capital "P" is held by the conventionals and arms dealers... Its all wrapped up in the MIC... and history has show that Power NEVER willingly gives it up... it only shifts to a different shell...
With all this money floating around all the "experts" are going to start showing up, buying certifications to make the general public think they know what they are talking about and the poorly designed systems will start to proliferate again, especially in the thermal area where incentives are not based on installed system performance over time, only SRCC certifications which means krap...
So, here we go again.....
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10 of 12
April 5, 2009
Unfortunately, the lion's share of the stimulus budget is going towards "shovel ready" projects and conventional programs that are not sustainable in the least, but which had been approved in an old paradigm of wasteful thinking. Pressure needs to be applied to our local and state agencies to put "green" stipulations on as many projects as possible that are going to be green lit once the federal money starts rolling in. Otherwise there is just going to be a massive influx of funding going to prop up a school of thought that is out of date, leaving us back in the same place a few years from now.
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11 of 12
April 11, 2009
Do any of you really think that government funding will help individuals become more politically and economically independent?
This government funding is likely for purposes of industrial nationalization, like any socialist society.
Get real.
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12 of 12
April 23, 2009
What is the purpose of the money?
Answer: To make the reasons for giving the money obsolete.

Why do we want the Gov't to give us money?
Answer: So we can afford RE.

If the money causes the mftg and installation costs of RE to descend to affordable amounts, haven't we made the reason for giving the money obsolete?

Who are the entities most likely to make RE affordable?
Answer: The people that mftg and install these systems.

Who are the entities that mftg this equipment?
Businesses.

What kind of businesses can supply vast amounts of RE.
Big Businesses.

The point is to create a support system of BIG BUSINESSES for RE that will drive the price down.

FIT is like getting a rebate for cash guzzling cars, when we should encourage producing more cost effective vehicles.

Everyone needs a subsidy for something they can't afford.
Remember: The purpose of the money is to make the reason for giving it obsolete.

The money shouldn't be life support for cash guzzling technologies.
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