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Transitioning to Renewable Energy

By Marsha W. Johnston, Contributor
March 30, 2009   |   8 Comments
How some traditional energy companies are reusing and repurposing their technology to develop renewables.

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"Companies like Ormat, ElectraTherm and UTC, are taking existing technology to convert the low-quality geothermal source into electricity."

-- Doug Tennyson, Director, Technical Services, Department of Energy Rocky Mountain Oil Test Center
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1 of 8
March 31, 2009
As a young lad I was told that all change was evolution not revolution. I thot about that for a few years and had to agree - in general. Other things are cycles and have nothing to do with permanent change.

The evolution part of this article is apparent. The part of about a revolution is thankfully lacking.

One point I would like to raise:
"The advantages to using cleaner, renewable versions of traditional technologies or to using them for renewable energy are too numerous to deny."
I didn't know anyone was denying the benefits. What are the disadvantages?

When the advocationists (hey, I tried 'advocators' and it didn't like that either) learn to recognize the weaknesses of their own positions then real progress will be made. Good luck getting a detractor to say anything positive (but it really does happen, you just have to read a lot :).
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2 of 8
April 1, 2009
With transmission lines already running to oil fields (such as W. Texas) it stands to reason that solar and wind installations in those oil fields would be a quick connect feed-in utilizing these lines feeding the grid. Geothermal as an adjunct to CSP may enable the "170-250 Deg." capability of the well holes to achieve the needed high temp geothermal differentials (at least during the day). The next great strides in Renewables will come from the synergy of system combinations. Wind pumping and/or direct Electrical production-> Geothermal wells-> Solar temp. boosting-> Turbine/Micro turbine->Existing Grid.

I'd also love to see the segway between Solar PV and Solar Thermal since (from my understanding) Heat is seen as a PV detriment. I already use Solar Thermal as an ajunct to my wood boiler heat reducing both the seasonal length and hieght of season intensity of my home heating (and DHW) by wood.

Concentrated Solar may facilitate Pre-Heating water for Landfill/Sour Gas Boiler burning in Turbine generation set-ups. The Idea is not to limit thought/innovation to Single method generation. To that end - Incentives that stipulate method of production should recognize "plants" for the %contribution to "total output" or savings (if they do not already).

(P.S. r.t. ; try advocates - those who advocate, My weakness is spelling)
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3 of 8
April 1, 2009
Nat, thx - it seems so simple in the sobriety of morning :) I usually would have bailed out and said proponent.

I'm with you on solar thermal. In the south I can not imagine why every hotel, hospital, and other hot water using operations do not have solar water heating. Inertia, I guess - there isn't enuf expertise available to promote it. Maybe it really is too expensive from an ROI point of view. I think that would go away with the economies of scale but there aren't enuf early adopters (back to the expertise thing).

Concerning Texas, I don't think the power lines that exist are sufficient for the load they want to send back east. I understand, from articles, there is discussion about building an adequate transmission line, but it would be a few billion $ and finding the people who want to pay for it is proving difficult.
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4 of 8
April 1, 2009
The earth is such a good insulator, solar boost to the temperature makes great sense. There's a place in Oregon where interns do a competition with a parabolic solar cooker to see whose will boil their tea water first. They just use foil and cardboard. As long as you can have the water circulating, you wouldn't need to lose much to evaporation, in a closed-loop system.

I also like the idea that appeared here some time ago about enclosing quite a bit of territory with clear film, then generating energy with a heat stack. Doing this near or over other activity might work in some cases, especially adding greenhouse growing of plants suited to the particular climate and light timing. An advantage is that this may keep moisture on the land, confining evaporation and condensation, and using it to advantage.

Pres. Obama was touting U.S. creativity and vibrancy today in Europe against criticisms. We have had massive mal-investment and rewards for dissipating activities. I hope D.C. will come to understand the need to incentivize and sustain RE rather than letting mountain-top removal and other such abominations continue without the costs of environmental destruction and human health destruction covered.
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5 of 8
April 1, 2009
Mary, The idea is actually not as direct as you make it out to seem. The air under the enclosure is heated much like your car in a parking lot over the summer. this expands the air and makes it rise. in the center the enclosure is highest and narrowest. This forces the warm air to go very fast and turn wind turbines all day at a constant speed. the edges of the enclosure are low to the ground and open so as to draw in new air. This does trap moisture underneath and really does change the climate. Large saline pools could absorb some heat directly and heat the air over the night, and solar cells under neath the film/glass covering could create even more energy.
I think we are still massively underestimating the power that slips past us all daily in streams and rivers. Hydroelectric is proven, simple, baseline power that can be modeled to limit interference with natural systems and wildlife. Geothermal as well, these are both energy sources that will not go away at night or in bad weather. Hydro could be shut down in some extreme cases, but the grid it's self is probably down by then due to massive storm damage.
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6 of 8
April 1, 2009
Joe, blue sky aside, some holes in the theories. Wouldn't adding any moisture to a solar tower diminishes energy greatly by phase change depletion? Any moisture trapped under would be swept away by the constant hot breeze going up the tower. Might be better to have a big heated rock pile under a film to ad off-sun heat.
Solar cells under the film would also cut the energy delivered greatly. Better to have them out in the direct sunlight and perhaps take heat off the backside to keep temps down.
Hydro is OK if it doesn't interfere with natural biosystems evolution, as we are finding out.
Solar thermal, small direct scale, is easily stored in the form of hot water for the many processes that require it and can be more easily done with solar than geo thermal wells or converting to electricity and then to thermal or (yuck), burning stuff.
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7 of 8
April 2, 2009
For 30 years I have been a designing draftsman for various machinery companies serving the oil & gas industries in Texas.
Since it was first announced that Texas was on it's way toward making more electricity from wind than any other state, I have been trying to transition into the new energy technologies.
Unfortunately, I am finding that all the machinery being used in Texas is being manufactured in Europe. In effect, "green energy" in Texas means being a consumer of other people's productivity, not creating anything ourselves.
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8 of 8
April 5, 2009
Reading these articles and the reader comments that follow, I become more and more convinced that, the human race is lost.
Not one mention of the most basic and simple solution to this "energy crisis" that so many are perpetuating.
But I geuss thats it, right there? As long as there is a "crisis" of some sort, there is a way to profit from it, by the selling of a solution to combat the "crisis." So why not perpetuate it? Isn't this what the so called "energy crisis" is really all about? The bottom Line, money?

Do you want a real world solution?
One that does not exist in a pesudo world of smoke and mirror imagery and verbal prestidigitation?
One that does not wage war and send men and women into combat where they take the lives of men and women of another nation?
A world where those who deem themselves "in charge" do these things for the sake of commerce and industry but call it all by another name?
Do you? Do you?!

TURN IT OFF!

Its that simple. But you and I both know, that will never happen and this why it truly is a, Pity about Earth.
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