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Solar Energy Jobs Initiative

By Michael Mellish, Consultant
March 12, 2009   |   15 Comments

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1 of 15
Bravo!!
You have an energy plan.
The energy plan is viable, responsible, affordable.
The plan creates US jobs.
The ROI figures used are real time, present day financials.
The pay back is real, affordable, competitive.
The plan produces taxable energy to the benefit of federal and local communities, schools, hospitals, infrastructure, highways
The total cost of the complete "energy independence" plan is less than the annual cost of foreign imported energy

There are problems with the plan.
1. The Saudi government would not agree.
2. The global community would find fault.
3. The foreign governments would cry foul. How does China benefit? If the US borrows Chinese money, the US is obligated to make equal grants back to the Chinese government.
4. There is no kick-back to each individual member of Congress
5. There is no profit for Mr. President in the White House
6. There is no need for the $8 Trillion bail out money to foreign governments that line the pockets of US legislators
7. PAC groups will organize against the plan
8. Colleges and Universities would not need to own and operate power plants
9. Electric vehicles would not be paying gasoline tax
10. Electric lawn mowers would not be using gasoline
11. Who would finance political campaigns?
12. Surely some sea urchent someplace would be endangered in the depth of some undetermined sea
13. Obviously unsightly is the plan to all foreign passerbys and readers
14. The noise would be outrageous if only from citizen excitement
15. Hungry children in some unknown place would not benefit nearly so as possibly the rich working class
16. Western states would not approve NIMBY nor sell coal to the east
17. Southern states could not afford such luxury
18. Northern states are deprived of sunlight
19. Eastern states suffer massive loss in coal revenues.
20. Greenies get cut off Saudi funds
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2 of 15
March 12, 2009
A recent NREL study claims that the average cost installed for solar PV is @$6.50-7.50 per Watt. Of this about 9% was installer labor. $0.55-0.65 per Watt. A 250 kW project would yield about $160,000 in wages to installers. Assume $30/hour total labor cost, this is about 5000 person hours per project, (2.5 man-years). 2.5 man-years times 50 states times 1000 projects will yield 125,000 man-years. Not a trivial number but not significant either. What will they all do after they have installed all the solar PV modules available? (the jobs will be gone) After $50 billion has been invested (@$400,000/ man-year).
Of course we could get a lot of new Solar PV on-line, which is worth something. But this is supposedly about jobs, not promoting solar PV.
Other pertinent questions.
What will happen to the market driven drop in price for solar PV when a proposed demand increase of 5-10 times 2008 global production of PV modules is introduced? ( module prices will rise steeply) Is US manufacturing really going to increase production by a factor of 100 to meet this demand? (they will not and can not ramp up to that level, maybe a factor of 4-5 to 3-4+GW/year.
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3 of 15
March 13, 2009
Our company owns 19 rental properties; our company would be first in line in CT.

I would welcome the opportunity to have these systems installed on our properties.

Sincerely,

BNB GROUP, LLC.
investingwiththestars.net
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4 of 15
March 13, 2009
The Solar Energy Jobs Initiative may have good intentions. As stated the labor portion would be relatively small at 9% of the total project cost , and even smaller if you include indirect labor costs. The major problem is that is program is directed at only large PV systems. The majority of end users of this magnitude would be the utility and gas companies. The utility companies are already receiving funds to build PV sites through their customers, and state and federal funds. And most utility companies constructing these sites are using their own existing labor source. So no real increase in labor would be realized. Is this just another AIG give-away or Reagan trickle down economics program?
If you ready want to create jobs, get the stimulus to the people who really need it and will re-circulate the money back into the economy. Get it to small business and homeowners. This will not only create new jobs, but will generate new company start-ups.
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5 of 15
March 13, 2009
Nice idea, but what about us solar hot water guys out here who keep getting overlooked? Solar hot water gives the best return on investment and should be given at least equal consideration when proposing economic stimulus plans.
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6 of 15
March 13, 2009
I Agree nice idea but Dennis is right manufacturing is not up to providing the panels required in that time frame. Lenghten the time frame or leave it open and allow smaller installations so that enthusiast can participate rather than only industrialist looking to build multi-million dolar plants. I could put a 10KW array on my buisness but you will find few willing to take a 250KW bite.
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7 of 15
March 14, 2009
All proposals should be discussed so that their merits and weaknesses are discovered. The first major weakness I see with this proposal is that all states would get an equal amount of funding. Rhode Island has a population of about 1 million, California nearly 34 million. Nothing against the people of Rhode Island but why should they receive 34 times the funding per capita than the people of California?
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8 of 15
I have one thing to say to anyone who finds fault with renewable energy.
You are right. Let's not change a thing that we are doing. Drill baby drill.
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9 of 15
March 14, 2009
BNB Group-
My name is Erik Anderson, I work for C Solar out of Westport and Bridgeport CT. We are a renewable resource company specializing in Solar Photovoltaic systems. You can visit our website at www.CsolarLLC.com but could email you a brochure as well.
I would love to speak with you regarding your rental properties in CT. There are some hurdles to consider with rental properties, but more than likely we can figure out a solution to help offset your utility costs.
Please feel free to give me a call whenever you get a chance.
I look forward to speaking with you-

______________
Erik Anderson
Project Coordinator
(203) 504 2250 - P
(203) 504 2251 - F
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10 of 15
March 14, 2009
This was a very 'stimulating' article so I have shared with my friends in the OilPatch Democrats. The OPD is a(n obviously) political club for energy industry professionals who would like to promote a modern alternative to the old status-quo energy policy. Despite the name, it is not limited to oil & gas industry professionals, & includes anyone involved in any kind of energy production. We are not strictly limited to only Democrats.

I would be interested in knowing whether you would be interested in meeting our group and discussing this plan, so that we can discuss the prospect of promoting it to our representatives. The majority of our members are in Houston Texas, as are our monthly meetings. It is common for us to invite people with interesting ideas to speak at our meetings, but it will clearly be contingient on your ability or desire to visit Houston.

Randy Scott - OPD web-researcher
713-683-9531
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11 of 15
March 14, 2009
I'm impressed with this concept. I think if you applied the installation according to the locations thet would be most effective and not allocating dollar amounts by states, then spread availability out to allow for smaller commercial properties like the 10KW suggested above, whats not to like?

Though the primary focus of the article is job creation, this just seems like a damned good idea with all the overall benefits derived. Good man!
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12 of 15
March 14, 2009
We hear in Georgia can relate very well...we have a new coal plant coming up for a mere 3billion dollars as well as a Nuclear plant 13billion that Ga Power has the GALL to ask us to start paying for 3yrs before they even brake ground. So we can pay 1.35 a month more per customer {500K of them a month} on a maybe they will build it....
I say take that 16billion dollars and build neither of these filthy polluting Plants
and build, for the same amount of money, 160 one hundred million dollar
PV plants all over the state. Now folks this is not ROCKIT SIENCE this is real simple. By locating the plants all over the state, in other words right were the end user is, you kill 2 birds with the same stone...locale production and locale use. FORGET HAVEING TO UPGRADE THE GRID...
that has been a problem for so long now ,but yet so easily solved! And we could do this
Nation wide just like this man's plan says…

SolarmanJD@DCemail.com
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13 of 15
March 16, 2009
One of the main sticking points is the "protectionist" clause that does not bode well for solar panels. Buy US or else....Less competition from abroad, the more expensive your panels will be.
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14 of 15
March 17, 2009
I agree Dan (#5) why not pick the low hanging fruit first? If all the water heaters in the US were Solar much of our energy dependence would go away.

The technology is here, the people are in-place, it's labor intensive and it has a much better ROI than PV solar.
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15 of 15
April 13, 2009
This may be a laudable plan, but I take issue with your premise that the stimulus package has failed. It is way, way, too early to make that judgment, as the funds are barely starting to flow. This is like declaring that a crop of peas has failed, when the seeds have barely been planted.

All I am saying, is give peas a chance! Give the funds a chance to germinate before declaring them a failure.
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