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Let Them Fail

By Jim Stack, City of Palo Alto Utilities
March 16, 2009   |   10 Comments

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1 of 10
March 16, 2009
"The U.S. auto industry has an annual manufacturing capacity of about 18 million vehicles. According to MotorIntelligence, the industry's annual sales rate in January was just 9.6 million vehicles. Recession or no, any industry that produces twice as much product as consumers wish to buy is in need of a great deal more than a little 'restructuring.'"

Maybe we shouldn't bail them out, but I find the above argument to be a red herring. Light vehicle sales of the big three are down 50% from last year. In this recession, I'm not surprised that they have twice the manufacturing capacity as sales. Light vehicle sales of Toyota are down 40% from last year. I wouldn't be surprised if their manufacturing capacity is twice their sales.

Actually even if there were no recession, and sales were as high as last year, I wouldn't be surprised if a manufacturing company had twice the manufacturing capacity as they have output. Full capacity would be 3 shifts. Running one to two shifts instead of three isn't all that strange, in general (though I don't know about auto assembly in particular).
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2 of 10
FOX
March 16, 2009
why not convert the manufacturing plants of the BIG THREE into manufacturing plants for the renewable energy sector? especially the wind energy industry. Government stand should be that taxpayers money should not be used to bail out companies who have made poor business acumen. It was the result of bad top management decision that their respective company is in financial turmoil.

Even if sufficient financing is induced to these BIG THREE, it would not be enough to sustain the production and sales of competitive products as compared to other car manufacturers who i might add, have already somewhat perfected the technology on fuel efficient cars and hybrid cars. In addition, their competitors enjoyed greater savings in labor costs and overhead cost as their plants are located in states that provide extra benefits and their labor force are not as greedy as those in the BIG THREE.

If the BIG THREE can find a way to significantly slash back on labor cost of the products that they produce and in addition that they can somewhat surpassed the less production cost, then perhaps their companies can sail it through this ongoing financial storm. But i doubt any of these BIG THREE can accomplish that.

Let them go bancrupt !!! Much better if the money to be used to bail them out be used on to finance reliable business like wind energy which have a proven rate of return of investment.

Why invest in an industry that is dying when you can use it on something more productive? Job losses are of course normal but these jobs can be re-diverted to the new industry since job categories between the two industries are basically the same.
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3 of 10
March 18, 2009
The big auto companies are like big utilities.
Do you want your utilities cut off, just because
fewer people are paying for them?
If we are going to kill it, kill it slowly.

What we need is a tactical and strategic plan to
make the car we want 5 years down the road,
and to make the transportation system we want 15 to 25 years down
the road.

If we look at the autoworker we have today,
he probably only has about 2 chances in 5 of being
with us in 15 years. We need to look at training that may
change drastically every 5 years.

If we are going to push renewable energy goals
onto these old car management behemoths, I think we are
making a mistake. We need to start with people like
Dell who are young enough to build a product
that people want and can afford,
rather than supporting the crumbling Detroit model.

We also have to look at regulation. We are regulating
our manufacturing here right out of the country. GM
for all its symbolism of being a US car maker
is producing a lot of cars and parts in Canada and Mexico.
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4 of 10
March 18, 2009
As the World turns, these are the days of our lives.
Pity about Earth.
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5 of 10
March 18, 2009
First proposed decades ago, the ideal green industry for the rustbelt would be to refit a few of the factories for Soylent Green Biodiesel. We, old union guys could perform the refit and then provide valuable input resource for years to come.

Mehr Schein als Sein.
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6 of 10
March 18, 2009
Why pick on the auto companies when the whole country is going bankrupt?
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7 of 10
March 18, 2009
This proposal is too simplistic and ignores the obvious, that staff currently employed in the industry is not located in areas where installation training or other employment options are available. To take an assembly line worker and expect them to be able to adapt to installation sites in areas outside their normal commute or to perform non-repetitive tasks is naive at best.

Additionally you are ignoring the second and third tier suppliers who have commitments to their staff as well would you propose that all the millions of unemployed compete for the few hundred thousand jobs that are or will be available. Not realistic.
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8 of 10
March 18, 2009
I think this is a little simplistic in reality but, nonetheless, I understand the frustration. The fact of the matter is that the industries of the midwest want nothing more than to transition to renewable energy. There was standing room only at the wind energy conference in downtown Detroit 2 weeks ago. The majority of those folks were suppliers and engineers (like myself) who wanted to know what they could to do to get started. It doesn't matter what it is or how it works, we can engineer and manufacture it.

The auto industry didn't evolve overnight however and neither will renewable energy. There is so much momentum right now for renewables we can't let the economy send us back to the Reagan years of the early 80s! I don't know about Chrysler but I worry a bankrupt GM will lay waste to an already bad economic situation and stall progress indefinitely.

Uni-Solar just announced they are laying off 70 people and halting equipment installation for their new plant in Battle Creek MI. Obviously they have to much production capacity for the market right now. Honda's debt rating was just downgraded. Toyota is asking the Japanese government for a loan. No one is immune. GM and Chrysler look nothing like they did at this time last year. There has been a little more than a little "restructuring" going on. Chrysler alone has 30,000 fewer employees (I should know - I'm one of them).

I guess the bottom line is - if people can afford to purchase, and can see a benefit to renewable energy, that will dictate demand. The rust belt as it's commonly called is ready to go RIGHT NOW. We don't need to crush the auto sector to get our industrial base mobilized. Finally, the general public did not get interested in fuel efficient cars until gas was $4.00 a gallon and it won't be $4.00 again until the whole world eonomy is healthy again. Don't believe me, ever wonder why Ford isn't asking for bailout cash? Gas is cheap. Check out the increasing F-150 sales
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9 of 10
March 19, 2009
I disagree! I am assuming that bio-fuels (carbon neutral or nearly so) will take over from fossil fuels, sooner or later. I severely doubt, for a number of very good reasons, that the all-electric vehicle (battery or fuel cell powered) will ever take more than a tiny specialized part of the market for cars. I am excluding hybrids that use ICE's and electricity here, because most of the motive energy will still come from the liquid fuel, yet the combination can offer even lower running costs. The development of bio-fuels (ethanol, bio-diesel and possibly butanol) are absolutely essential for the future of transportation and our whole way of life.

This being the case, the motor car of the future will be hardly any different from the motor car of today. Spark-ignition engined cars already run on ethanol and compression-ignition already run on biodiesel - with hardly any very significant changes required. The time gap between gasoline and the widespread availability of bio-fuels can be filled, if necessary, by natural gas powered (CNG) cars (as per Boone Pickens Plan), which again, are virtually identical to current automobiles. France, Belgium, Holland and Italy have had CNG/gasoline dual-fueled vehicles for decades. CNG is still a "fossil fuel" but it does cut CO2 emissions by about 40% due to the lower carbon-to-hydrogen ratio in methane compared with gasoline. Furthermore, we have all the CNG we need for transportation in the USA, if the Pickens Plan is adopted. That saves $700 billion in oil imports.

Who will manufacture these "cars of the future?" The obvious answer is of course, GM, Ford and Chrysler. By all means they should be slimmed down pretty drastically in the short term, but to let their expertise, equipment, plants, staff and their massive chain of suppliers, disappear into oblivion would be utterly catastrophic.
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10 of 10
March 30, 2009
I think it would be better argued we let Michigan and Ohio fail because letting these companies go under will affect these states the most. I find it hard to believe we give GE 140 billion and we argue about the big 3. Letting them fail will also cause the suppliers to fail. Rental car companies will fail because they are mostly from the big three. BAC has a large investment into Hertz and with its lopsided position could cause the bank to fail. What will it cost for all these people on retirement, the unemployed, more homes to default. I think any company can be saved if given new leadership and Lee Iacocca proved it.
Its grand to think green but the world has been controlled by oil. If the government were to do anything it should nationalize the oil industry. They have controlled the world for too long. The possibility of green is then a real possibility until then green is a euphoric thought.
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