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IEA's Report on 1st- to 2nd-Generation Biofuel Technologies

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1 of 16
March 10, 2009
Ralph and Michael, I'm with you on most of what you say, but have problems with this paragraph:

"This report leans more towards the position that advances in technology will enable 2nd-generation biofuels to build on the infrastructure and markets established by 1st-generation biofuels but will provide a cheaper and more sustainable alternative. This assumes that future policy support will be carefully designed in order to foster the transition from 1st- to 2nd- generation and take into account the specificities of 1st- and 2nd- generation biofuels, the production of sustainable feedstocks, and other related policy goals being considered."

First, it begs the question of whether current levels of support to 1st-generation agrofuels are cost-effective. This seems to be suggesting that the status quo should be maintained. Yet current support policies differ widely from country to country, both in terms of levels of support per litre and in their design. For example, in some countries (e.g., Canada) support is reduced as oil prices rise. In other countries, the subsidies are the gift that keeps on giving, and continue to be provided no matter what happens to oil prices.

Also, in terms of the technology, there are vast differences in the value of innovation taking place in association with different 1st-generation biofuels and the value of those innovations for 2nd or 3rd-generation biofuels. Even the U.S. Energy Information Administration has gone record saying that ethanol production from sugar and starch is a "mature technology." Most of the R&D and in relation to 2nd-generation plants that is needed is upstream from the fermentation and distillation stage. How is support for grain-ethanol plants helping there?

As for biodiesel, there is virtually NO connection between the current dominant transesterfication process and 2nd-generation processes for producing synthetic middle distilates. So what's the benefit there?

(Continued.)
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2 of 16
March 10, 2009
(Continued from above.)

As for investment in infrastructure, the jury is still out as to whether the future lies in large volumes of ethanol or of fuels (like octanol or butanol, and synthetic diesel and aviation fuel) that can work with the current infrastructure. Yet the more governments invest in ethanol infrastructure, the more they create a bias in the system towards ethanol.

Moreover, do you really expect many current corn-ethanol plants to convert to running purely on cellulosic materials, like switchgrass? (If so, that does not solve the fuel-vs-fuel problem, because arable land would still be used.) Isn't it more likely that if they do engage in cellulosic ethanol production it will be as an add on to corn-ethanol production -- e.g., using corn cobs -- rather than a case of a "transition" to 2nd-generation biofuels?

Finally, you mention that "deployment policies for 2nd-generation biofuels are either blending targets or tax credits". (Note: many countries use BOTH.) Is that a recommendation, or an assumption? If the former, was any consideration given to a carbon tax as an alternative?
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3 of 16
March 11, 2009
the fact remains that land use fom food crop to "non food crop" for bio fuel use will result in people starving .

why not eat first then convert to energy?

Human excrement + Nuclear waste = Hydrogen
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4 of 16
March 11, 2009
"Human excrement + Nuclear waste = Hydrogen"

Nuke that sh...t!
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5 of 16
March 11, 2009
Large scale use of land based biomass to supply present global average energy consumption is physically impossible. As the practical efficiency from sunlight to biofuel is less than 0.5 %, it requires 3000 square meter of fertile land per person, which we do not have on this planet. Presently some 1500 square meter fertile land per person are available for food production. Furthermore, each liter of biofuel requires on average some 500 liter of water to transpire through the plants to create biomass through photosynthesis -- wilting plants do not produce. On top of all that biofuels destroy biodiversity, and the impact on the vital ecosystem integrity are prohibitive.

By contrast, technical conversion of sunlight is 100 times more efficient, and requires only 30 square meter of collectors per person to replace present energy use from fossil fuels, which is technically feasible.

These are the results of a study I published in a peer reviewed journal: Physics in Canada, Vol. 63, No. 3 (july-Sept. 2007), p. 113.
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6 of 16
March 11, 2009
While still in it's developmental stage, it seems that cellolosic ethanol holds a great deal of promise for a liquid fuel that melds with an already well established transportation system. Most of the forests in the western US are severely overgrown, leading to epidemic infestations, large scale die offs, and extreme wildfire danger. Most of the trees that would be removed are not lumber grade material, but a pound of wood is a pound of wood if it is chipped up to make ethanol. By establishing relatively small, mobile ethanol refineries, the factory could go to the source, rather than the other way around.

There are certainly many technical challenges remaining, but the ultimate result could be a win/win/win. Healthier forests = better wildlife habitat, improved watersheds, and reduced fire danger. Local jobs in depressed rural areas establishes long term economic benefits. Produce and use fuel locally and eliminate the need to transport fuel long distances.

I hope the challenges can be overcome. The future of energy is not going to be limited to a single source or technolgy. It must be a blend of appropriate technologies working together to address the many problems we face as a species.
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7 of 16
March 12, 2009
Ralph and Michael, you do not mention the algae option – or include it in your figure 1.
Any comments?
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8 of 16
March 12, 2009
@Helmut Burkhardt: 3000 sq. meters is only about 3/4 of an acre, your house sits on that much land. Also, there are feedstocks that thrive on land that food CANNOT grow on at all, period. Our research is proving this in Texas. Land that cannot effectively produce corn is more than sufficient for our biodiesel feedstock and to the "south" only 12 percent of the total area is cultivated. In the early 1990s, only some 24 million hectares of a possible 32 million hectares were under cultivation. That's 80 million acres which by year 5 has the potential to produce almost 55 million gallons of oil. Currently, that land is fallow and is NOT rainforest, so cultivation of a feedstock and transporting processed with biodiesel powered trucks and locomotives establishes a carbon sink where none existed before.

The next solution is to reduce demand by improving diesel efficiency. The largest users of diesel are not personal users and 100 mpg is not out of reach with new technologies. 100 mpg vehicles would reduce personal demand by about 80%. I would suggest focusing more on what can be done rather than limitations of what is (or isn't) being done.
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9 of 16
March 12, 2009
Johnny Manley: Could you please explain what crop you envisage growing on those 80 million acres in Texas? Jatropha? Jajoba? Without irrigation? What kind of yields? Will the harvesting be mechanical or manual? If the latter, what kind of labor costs per gallon?
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10 of 16
March 12, 2009
Innovation and technological breakthroughs are needed not only in the production 2nd stage biofuels but in the engine technologies to use those fuels. With a fleet of electric vehicles using onboard generators that can burn E85 and capable of high MPG, the economics change. With an intelligent energy policy that includes a carbon tax pegged to $130/bbl oil, we could expect to see more RD&D of technologies for both renewable fuels and the engines that burn them and much of this RD&D could be financed in large part by the revenue from the carbon tax.
A reasonable case could be made that oil-cost assumption, for the purpose of administering a carbon tax, could be set at levels much higher $130. A good energy policy would set the economic price oil not at its fluctuating market prices-- which get set by the interplay of world demand and a supply largely controlled by people who are willing to pump as much current volume as needed--but at a level that includes the cost of burning it (including all environmental and GHG effects). Even without considering environmental costs, think of the true "replacement" cost for a barrel of oil and be sure to include the time value for the years it took for the fossils to turn into crude oil.
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11 of 16
March 12, 2009
William Griffin, why should a carbon tax be pegged to $130/bbl oil, or any oil price for that matter? Shouldn't it be tagged to the marginal value of abatement? At $50 per tonne of CO2-equivalent, that comes to slightly more of $0.50 per gallon of gasoline, or the equivalent of a tax of $22 per barrel of oil. At $100 per tonne of CO2-equivalent it would be somewhere around $45 per barrel (roughly).

What you are describing is some hybrid tax. But I wouldn't call it a carbon tax.
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12 of 16
March 12, 2009
Grain Straws

Recent Irrigated Wheat trials in southern NSW, Australia gave yields of over 10 tonnes per hectare. Allowing 1 Te of wheat straw to 1 Te of wheat, 100,000 Ha could produce 1,000,000 Te of wheat straw.

Conservatively, at 250 L/Ha, could produce 250 million litres of second generation, "no" emissions ethanol per 100,000 Ha and with wheat co-product and sale of surplus energy could give a cash flow return on fixed capital of over 25%

Australia's harvested area of grain was 20,580,000 ha in 2005

10 % of this area could produce 20,580,000 Te of straw, if irrigation induced figures can be reproduced as above = 5,145 million litres (ML) of ethanol

Forecast petrol use in 2019/20 is 24,431 ML
E85 requirement would be 20,766 ML of ethanol

Desalinated water supply at AUD 1,750 per Ha (AUD 330.19 / ML) can give a reasonable return for the Water Supplier if obtaining over 500 % increase in wheat and straw yields and pumping 100 to 150Km from desalinating plants at the nearest sea coast. Compare this with previous years figures of AUD 104.62 /Ha (AUD 19.74 /ML) for irrigating land in the same area and the problem that there is little water left for irrigation from existing dams and rivers
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13 of 16
March 14, 2009
TRS------"Forecast petrol use in 2019/20 is 24,431 ML
E85 requirement would be 20,766 ML of ethanol"---------

The limiting factor in flex fuel engines is making them low compression enough to use petrol(gasoline). If E85 is available widely enough to be able to produce cars with engines that do not need to be able to handle petrol also, it is possible to increase the thermal efficiency of engines by a factor of roughly 2X. This woud allow dramatic increases in both mileage and power----allowing us to use smaller engines with equal or better power than currently available and increase mileage at the same time.
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14 of 16
March 15, 2009
William Griffin--------"Innovation and technological breakthroughs are needed not only in the production 2nd stage biofuels but in the engine technologies to use those fuels."--------

What technological breakthroughs are you looking for? The first internal combustion engines built ran on biofuels. Gasoline had not been invented yet. The first public display of Rudolf Diesel's new engine in the Paris World's Fair in 1894 ran on peanut oil. Henry Ford's Model T automobile first introduced in 1908 ran on ethanol.
Today, diesel engine vehicles can use any mix of biodiesel from 2% up to B100(100% bio) with no modification. Flex Fuel vehicles can use either gasoline or E85(85% ethanol) in any combination, just fill up with whichever is available. Flex Fuel vehicles are being manufactured now in a wide range of models, and the automakers have pledged to produce 1/2 of all new vehicles in flex fuel by 2011. Flex Fuel costs the same as conventional gas only vehicles. There are about 8 million flex fuel vehicles on the road in the US alone.

Fischer-Tropsch process has been around since 1924 and uses heat and pressure with catalysts to produce a wide range of hydrocarbons from alcohols to diesel fuels. Germany used F-T during WW2 to produce fuel on a wide scale when military loses left petroleum in very short supply.

The Scholler process uses thermochemical means(heat and dilute acid) to break down cellulose in wood. It has been used to produce alcohol from wood for over 100 years in both Germany and the US on a commercial scale.

None of this new technology. Some of it has been around for over a century. Maybe we need to read fewer research proposals and more history.
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15 of 16
April 17, 2009
Thanks for all the comments - and apologies for being so tardy in replying. There are just too many deadlines to meet! Anyway some quick responses..

"2nd-generation biofuels to build on the infrastructure and markets established by 1st-generation biofuels" Largely agree with your points Ron but also thinking here of flex-fuel vehicle development, storage and blending system experience, fuel choice at the service stations etc.

Helmut, biomass is never considered to be the only energy solution. Tracy's comment has it right, so your calculations, although of interest can only be theoretical. Even if biomass is restricted to using wastes and residues, therefore with relatively little land use impacts, it has a major contribution to make.

Lindsey- alage is included in the report - are a few studies on LCA but not included. We have a young guy at IEA working on this area now. But would you invest your spare dollar or two in an algae company? It's been researched since at least the 1970s - so I will continue to "watch this space" and keep my wallet in my pocket for now!

Johnny, I agree with Ron, we have to look at the whole system for energy crop production before proceeding. This includes how can a feedstock supply be made 365 days a year to the processing plant.

William's point on having more energy efficient vehicles and power trains is correct and I also agree with Ron's marginal cost of C approach - though this is hard to predict in the longer term.

Robert's data is interesting - though I think your wheat straw yields are too high for what can be actually collected (maybe 2-3t / ha?). And don't forget a litre of ethanol is only around 2/3 the energy value of a litre of gasoline.

Fred's point on learning from history is valid - but of source there have since been many scientific advances to help the existing process become more efficient - eg biotechnological developments of enzymes, new catalysts, new manufacturing materials, process monitoring.
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16 of 16
April 17, 2009
Ralph, thank you for the responses -- a rarity at RenewableEnergyWorld.com! If you are thinking here of flex-fuel vehicle development, storage and blending system experience, fuel choice at the service stations, etc., I would still ask, "at what cost?" Is subsidizing (and mandating consumption of) ethanol -- especially in a way that does not adjust for oil prices when they are high, and therefore contributes to booms and busts -- to the tune of billions of dollars a year (not even counting the increases in food costs) an efficient way to build up that capacity? Will we have really needed, effectively (not counting the 25 years of experience that preceded it) 15 years of "experience" in storage and blending, especially since that knowledge is easily obtained from the Brazilians just for the asking?

How long does it take to provide fuel choice at service stations? (By the way, many drivers don't have a "choice" any more: they are obliged to use E10.) If there were some breakthrough which all of a sudden made cellulostic ethanol cheaper to produce than gasoline, would it take more time to upgrade the distribution system than to build the facilities to manufacture it?

I can see the argument for increasing the fleet of flex-fuel vehicles, as the average operating life of a vehicle is 10 years or more. But, again, there are many ways to encourage that, short of subsidizing ethanol production. Giving artificial credit against fuel-economy standards is a bad idea, however, and has been shown actually to INCREASE petroleum fuel consumption.

My point is that the devil lies in the details, and saying "advances in technology will enable 2nd-generation biofuels to build on the infrastructure and markets established by 1st-generation biofuels" seems to provide an ex-post justification for whatever support policies for 1st-generation biofuels have been used, no matter how poorly they are designed and targeted.
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