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Shade Happens

By Ralf J. Muenster, National Semiconductor
February 2, 2009   |   19 Comments

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19 Reader Comments
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1 of 19
February 2, 2009
How is National Semiconductor's micro-optimizer technology different from say, Enphase's micro-inverter? It sounds like the samething, but I have been told they are different. Is there different MPPT technologies involved here? Anyone know?
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2 of 19
February 2, 2009
This SolarMagic seems to be a viable product. I assume there is laboratory
data such as before and after(experiment with actual logged array voltage and current values of a panel[or array], with and without the benefit of SolarMagic modules. ), when partial shading is introduced in an identical fashion? Please make it available for a private or public review.
We at Wattminder.com have a roof-top photovoltaic laboratory and would
like to test one, or 7 of these modules and ran a controlled test. One of three strings of modules gets shaded most days of the year.
Also, one would be interested in ROI analysis and perhaps decide if certain
PV modules in an array should be outfitted with Solarmagic devices.
Thanks for a prompt disclosure and perhaps a loan of these devices for a trial?
Thanks and Regards.
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3 of 19
February 4, 2009
How a shading article generated these comments I fail to see. Personally I wouldn't want a 20' x 10' hand-made foil panel propped up to shine sunlight on my house, nor would my neighbors be happy with it. It could also be dangerous in windy conditions --- don't tie your dog to it (or just name it Toto)!. Here's an idea -- shape the array into a parabolic-shaped reflector and use the energy from the wall of your house burning to heat the interior. Be sure to keep a fire extinguisher handy to prevent total burn-through (the air leakage would outweigh the solar gains). =P
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4 of 19
February 4, 2009
Please correct me if I am wrong but as I understand the situation, if each panel or even each segment of a panel had its own inverter, converting the power to phase synchronized AC then the problem would be solved. The AC power from each inverter which in turn gets its power from each small section of solar cells is additive. However this is not financiallyfeasible. There is a company which has produced inverters for individual panels but they still cost something in the region of $200 each and this price is prohibitive. Therefore, the problem is to develop a small cheap solid state built in inverter which can be used on individual panels or even parts of panels. With such devices and with the eventual reduction of panel costs to $1 per watt, one could then even have arrays of panels which were not colinear. Panels on East and west facing roves, for instance, as well as on the South face (in the northern hemisphere). Inverter development is as important as solar cell development.
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5 of 19
February 4, 2009
Does anyone really know how solar cells work? Is it the light from the photons or the heat making the excitment in the P and N electrons?

And if it is the Photons...can't we find photons from other places than light? Magnets have photons don't they. Why can't magnets make the excited P and N electrons move? I also understand that low frequency radio waves also make photons as well.. What I am driving at...is there is certainly another way to make solar panels work, without needing the sun to do it.

If it the heat factor....there are many alternatives to finding heat sources to stimulate the P & N electrons to find each other. Bury a solar panel in a compost pile, or make a solar panel silo full of corn silage...makes a handy heat source. Also greenhouses certainly hold more heat than on the outside, and the idea of capturing smoke from chimmneys as a heat source is also a grand idea as well.

I have no qualms with people burning wood, if they capture their carbon, and contain it. If your neighbor hook up piping to divert the smoke encasing solar panels for the purpose of heat to make electric then divert the smoke to a water barrel that captures the smoke carbon....the air quality would not be disturbed.

There are things we need to experiment with to expand and discover greater possibilities to the Solar Array of things.

Hope to get some feedback on this.

Dom
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6 of 19
February 4, 2009
Pls. kindly ask you tell us how can we import PV technology to our country because of it`s the popular & governmental interesting here in Syria.
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7 of 19
February 4, 2009
I have to agree with others here, this sounds very similar to Enphase's technology which goes a long way to simplifying designs and installs. At $200 a pop (for the Enphase) per each panel, I think it's quite reasonable: (a) you get a lot of $200 AC inverters for the cost of traditional inverters; (b) the cost of reduced heavy copper needs to also be added into the savings.

I think all these new technologies are great, and hoping to see evern better in the next year. (I can't believe the traditional inverter manufacturers aren't working to take back the honors.)

Brett, I think you're confusing solar PV with solar hot water. But I would take Dr. Evil's comment seriously. I've seen some home brewed and DIY projects that could be considered downright dangerous. (Also, you have to consider your neighbors also. Your creation just doesn't sound like it 'adds to the appearance of the neighborhood'; which is a very important consideration if we are going to continue to grow this industry. Not only do systems have to work well, they have to be acceptable to everyone involved, and that includes the public, who could become customers in the future, but only if they don't have reasons to say no. We can't be creating externalities for others as we create our own gains.)
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8 of 19
February 4, 2009
I think you chart may be a little conservatvie. In talking with a number of installers over the last year, I can remember one stating that he experienced an 80% drop in power output from a panel that had a shadow as little as that from an overhead power line.
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9 of 19
February 4, 2009
I've been an avid reader of RE World for two years, and rarely have I seen ideas as original, yet simple, as Brett Kuntze's solar reflector described in his response to the PV shade problem above. The negative reactions above are based on the first deployment.

Think about the first chimney. It stuck out visually and perhaps blew over in the first windstorm, but ultimately, chimneys were accepted and largely solved the problem of indoor air pollution. So, instead of marginalizing a fresh idea why not encourage it, especially considering that stationary PV typically utilizes less than four percent of peak sunlight?
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10 of 19
February 4, 2009
I'm with Joel on the innovative solar heating concept. More power to you Brett.
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11 of 19
February 4, 2009
The problem really requires the conventional panels to provide more output connections, i.e. one per string of cells. (If they dont already). After that there are plenty of electronic solutions to ensure that an underperforming string still contributes. Some inverters can optimise several inputs, but this is usually intended to optimise the power from sets of whole panels not individual strings from one panel. Unless someone comes up with an extremely cheap controller that can be used per-string, it will continue to be most cost effective to ensure that partial shading never occurs, or even to just install more panels. Of course shading is not the only reason for underperforming cells, so a good solution would still be welcome.
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12 of 19
February 20, 2009
How about a mirror to reflect sunlight onto the shaded area? A strategically placed mirror at the roof peak should do it. That would keep the string of cells from becoming resistive.

On another note ... Brett is getting off topic but he's right that PV is not ideal for heat. I have yet however to see a residential solar thermal system provide a spits worth of electricity. They're supposed to be complimentary technologies, my friends. Quit fighting.
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13 of 19
March 3, 2009
To the question of how this is different than Enphase, it could come down to simple efficiency and cost. While the Enphase inverter is very interesting, it's peak efficiency is ~94%(which is very good for device that has to boost a 30 volt panel, 8X or so to produce 120Vac) while high input voltage transformer-less inverters are 98%, so it starts with a 4% power deficit to overcome. Additionally, when the shading happens a 30 volt panel drops to 20 volts w/ one bypassing diode and 10 volts with 2 bypassing diodes, which means as soon as the shade hits, the inverter is no longer in it's MPPT window of 24-34 volts. It may be expedient to have an inverter per panel on a residential roof top, it's also not as clear that having that kind of service access to the 1000's of panels on a larger system makes any sense.
Would be interesting to compare the economics and productivity of SolarMagic and a traditional transformer-less inverter vs the AC Module, it looks like the Enphase may cost more and deliver less power?
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14 of 19
April 19, 2009
I was impressed while attending the roadshow kick-off held at National Semi. on the 14th. I think Mr. Halla, Chairman-CEO of NSC is serious about making electronics play a more important role in the PV industry. It is a good vision, and I think the entire semiconductor industry should take heed and do some out-of-the-box thinking, branch out and make a bigger impact on green tech.

I wish Mr. Muenster more success with the Solar Magic, as well as being open to other ideas and innovation to further the cause of green/clean technologies. National Semi does not have to be boxed into thinking strictly as an IC company.
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15 of 19
September 14, 2009
Brett Kuntze is absolutely correct. Most of the energy used in homes is for heat and cooling; very little of it MUST be in the form of electricity. This simple fact is preventing the widespread acceptance of solar: mention solar power to anyone (even professionals) and they will suck their teeth and shake their heads; ooo, those PV panels are just too expensive right now, aren't they? Fact is, 5KWp and a few day's worth of storage would be enough, if homes were designed right and more appliances (such as air conditioners and refrigeration equipment) were designed to use heat directly - which is much, much cheaper to collect and store than electricity. The technology is there; there just aren't enough people like Brett who are actually thinking about the problem and producing sensible engineering solutions.
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16 of 19
February 16, 2010
You know there are quite a few solutions for this, not just enphase and solarmagic. There's solaredge, tigo, some other microinverters, and if you just need it for a few panels ... sunmizer (don't need it on every panel in the string).

When comparing this make sure you look at the warranties. Also watch out for any devices with electrolytic capacitors ... usually the weakest link and the first to go out in a circuit like this. Microinverters use them, I don't think the DC-DC mppt units do though.
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17 of 19
April 7, 2010
Has there be a study to deternine the reduction in output of a solar panel, when a standard chain link fence casts a direct shadow on the panels?
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18 of 19
May 17, 2010
what is your view on the effect of shadow flickering caused by a wind turbine positioned south of a PV plants? the shadow of the wind turbine hits partially the pv plant.
is the shadow flickering effect likely to affect significantly the behaviour of the system?
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19 of 19
May 18, 2010
For all these type of shading issues the effect can be calculated from the position of the objects and the proportion of the direct and ambient sunlight blocked. It does not much matter whether it is a fence or a wind turbine blade, but there are also many variables related to the time of day and time of year which can be analysed using readily available software to assess worst cases. In all cases of regular shading there will be a reduction in output which will depend on the pattern of shade on the panels and in all cases it is undesirable.
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