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Renewable Energy Stimulus Plan Update

February 5, 2009   |   18 Comments

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" Negotiations are likely occurring behind the scenes to determine how the bill can be modified to gain the necessary votes."

-- Greg Jenner, Partner, Stoel Rives
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1 of 18
February 5, 2009
Pull our people out of the war; have the world watch to see what happens once we move out. If traction is lost,....ALL democratic governments MUST MUSTER up a 'set of balls' this time and get the work done.

Then,...we invest our money on our national infrastructure while our Saudi
friends change their' core beliefs at the same time, by building net energy and smart cities, etc.

People in the middle class; average 2.3 kids making less than 50K a year cannot take: vacations, live well, keep up on their homes, or EVER retire as our society now exists with cost structures.

One needs to make 65-75K a year to save any money in the MIDDLE Class today. Jobs simply don't pay these incomes any longer; with few exceptions.

Best,
FB
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2 of 18
February 5, 2009
We need to do everything in our power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.We have so much available to use such as wind and solar as well as technologies to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. There could be no better investment in than to invest in energy independence. Create clean cheap energy,create millions of BADLY needed new green jobs, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.The high cost of fuel this past year did serious damage to our society and economy. Record numbers of jobs and homes have been lost due to the direct impact on our economy.Oil is finite.We are using it globally at the rate of 2 X faster than new oil is being discovered. Added to the strain on our supplies foreign countries are bursting in populations and becoming modern.China and India alone are expected to add another 3 million vehicles to their highways in the next 2 decades.
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3 of 18
February 6, 2009
Geothermal in played out oil wells (like Texas) presents probably the most garnerable Renewable Energy resource for immediate implimentation, and where these site also have Wind and Solar resources the combination of these would allow for power production across the board where wind or solar fluctuate. Likewise, adding wind and/or solar to Hydro facilities (where appropriate) also utilizes existing infastructure to put in place near term expansion of renewables.

Stand alone Wind, or stand alone solar production facilities (or project planners) might do well to see what synergy may be available through multiple input (and output) systems, frontend multi-input design being preferable to retrofit.
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4 of 18
February 6, 2009
This one is a COMPLETE waste of money:
"$4.6 billion for R&D on carbon capture and sequestration ($2.4 billion in House version)"
We DON"T need it because global warming is based on flawed science and theory.
That money would be better used for building WtE plants - THAT is stimulus!
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5 of 18
February 6, 2009
The US is not ready for this bill. There has been little planning on how to spend the money. The renewable energy sources must be made clear. Then grid planning must take place. The electricity industry is still monopolized in both regulated and deregulated markets. If RPS are used, the utility monopolies, who don't even like renewable energy, will select how the renewable mandates are met.
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6 of 18
February 6, 2009
Companies like nanosolar and innovalight claim they can profitably sell solar power for the same cost as a coal power plant. If the amount of money we spent on imported oil last year ($700B) were used to purchase these cheap solar solutions, we would not need imported oil. We would need a lot of Chevy volts, and Phoenix electric pickup trucks.
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7 of 18
February 6, 2009
same old same old.
Big Wind Farms and expensive, dangerous grids.
Why not spend to make every home energy independent?
Cause the good old boys wouldn't get their cut.
There is no hope.
But never fear, Clean Coal, the world's largest oxymoronic murderers, will continue their Mountains to Mesas program under the ever vigilant watch of the lesser of two evils. But then we only get two choices.
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8 of 18
February 6, 2009
Give layoff notices to all senators and representatives (vote them out) that don't support renewable energy but do support the military-industrial death machine. Make energy independence not war.
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9 of 18
February 6, 2009
We do not need the "good old boys" permission to be energy independent. All we need is for Home Depo and similar distributors to buy wholesale from manufacturers Nanosolar and Innovalight, and sell solar collectors to the public at discount prices. Both companies are already shipping commercial product; but they stil need to ramp up productin to TeraWatt levels.

Nanosolar has a $1,000,000 roll-to-roll printing press that can turn out from 1GW to 20GW per year (depending on how fast they spin it). If they built 200 of these for $200M, and ran them as full speed; they could churn out 4TW of collectors in one year.

That is more than enough to cover the roof of every building in the US.
What energy crisis?
The only crisis is lack of action.
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10 of 18
February 6, 2009
Sales of pv systems would be greatly assisted if some changes could be made to the HUD Title 1 home improvement loan program. It offers potentially great benefits to the res. pv industry but is not without problems.

On the + side, owners can give lenders 1st, 2nd or 3rd mtgs. Although subordinate mtgs. afford rather precarious security to lenders, they could presumably also require 1st-priority UCC-1 purchase-money fixture filings on systems that would enable them to repo them in the event of non-payment.

Also helpful is the fact that home equity is not required.There are several reasons for this. Owners are basically substituting a loan payment for all or a portion of their electricity payment, which makes it more or less a wash on monthly expenses. Lenders who take a UCC-1 fixture filing are not really relying on the rest of the house as collateral. The lack of an equity requirement eliminates any need for an appraisal and is enormously helpful at a time when home values are falling.

Approval is fast, fees & rates are low, & there are no prepayment penalties. The latter feature is important because it permits lenders to borrow the entire cost of the pv system & installation and then pay down the loan when they receive their fed. credit and state & local incentives.

Nevertheless, major problems exist. Lenders must apply to HUD, pay app. & ann. fees for each branch where loans are originated and have onerous territorial restrictions. In some cases, they are prohibited from making loans outside counties where their main branches are located. I am located in coastal GA, & we do not have even 1 approved lender south of Atlanta. Jax, FL lenders are restricted to Duval Co.

Loans are limited to $25,000. While sufficient for small homes, this can be a serious obstacle for larger ones.

If these 2 problems can be solved, this program could be a godsend to pv sales. The Obama administration should modify the stimulus package to eliminate these roadblocks.
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11 of 18
February 6, 2009
How about tax breaks/credits for green energy companies that put people back to work. (Green Collar Workers IE: contractors, sales reps., installers, etc...). I heard that the state of Maryland is doing something like this, and other states are to follow. This will also help green companies grow through investment $$$ and stimulate our economy as well. (Any thought on this)?
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12 of 18
February 6, 2009
Channel all the bureaucratic hot air into geothermal generators and rollback the tax rate to 1913 levels, that's how we'll stimulate the economy. Cheers!
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13 of 18
February 8, 2009
Let us not forget that Obama's so-called economic stimulus bill is not just bad energy policy, favoring large special interests, but it is also bad economic policy.

Republicans are to blame for causing the current economic collapse, and the Great Depression before it, by favoring monopolies, big business and the wealthy. Their policies squeezed the masses between relatively low wages and high taxes and prices. In each case, the Federal Reserve was forced to try to maintain the standard of living by expanding the money supply, which produced unsustainable credit-driven booms. Eventually, consumers' credit runs out, especially since the debt financing from the savings of the wealthy is at high interest rates. When markets fell, brokerage firms, that lend money on the margins (e.g., several dollars for every dollar an investor deposits), called in loans, which could not be paid back. Banks fail as debtors default on debt.

Like they did during the Great Depression, Obama and the Democrats are making sure the depression continues until world war. Not only will they continue to support Big Business, but now they are piling on top of that support for Big Government and Big Labor. They are moving toward a planned economy including the grid. Interference in the economy helped cause the depressions, and government efforts to prop up the economy after only makes things worse by delaying the market's adjustment. We need a new political party that favors free markets or feed-in tariffs, small business, the middle class and antitrust.
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14 of 18
February 8, 2009
The Economic Stimulus Plan (or Obama energy plan) must be rejected before it further destroys the US economy. For decades, government policies favoring monopolies, big business and the wealthy have lowered standards of living and greatly expanded debt. The two major political parties can now only survive by creating economic bubbles (boom and busts) to boost short term prosperity at the expense of the future. (If you don't believe me, read Eric Janszen's article "The Next Bubble" in the February 2007 issue Harpers Magazine.) Clinton used policies to create a high tech bubble that later damaged the economy along with the industry. Then, Bush did the same with housing. Now, Obama is doing the same with clean energy and infrastructure, starting by ramming through desperate and wasteful spending. The utility monopolies and their friends in the renewable energy industry, especially wind, have sold out for the quick bucks. In a few years, they will leave the renewable energy industry and economy in shambles. Another more incredible bubble will be needed in the face of even greater debt. Eventually, the boom and busts will end in a long depression. The longer it takes, the worse it will be - like a Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme.
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15 of 18
February 9, 2009
Paul T. is 100% right that the billions set aside for carbon sequestration is a complete waste of money, but he is 100% wrong about the reason. Global warming/climate change and related sea-level rise is a verified scientific FACT. It's plain common sense that you can't pump billions and billions of TONS of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, as we've done over the past 100+ years, and have it NOT affect global temperatures. The reason the money is a waste is because "clean coal" is the ultimate oxymoron. Even if we could develop technology that could somehow capture carbon emissions (and even the most optimistic acknowledge that such technology is 10+ years away from a feasible prototype), we have no place to "sequester" it. Even worse, carbon sequestration would just create a seismic time bomb -- tremors, earthquakes, accidents, and shifting tectonic plates would result in release of sequestered gases. Finally, and worst of all, coal is responsible for pumping tons of mercury and other highly toxic substances into the environment. Capturing carbon does nothing to capture these extremely dangerous emissions.

STOP COAL, GO RENEWABLE, GO GREEN!
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16 of 18
February 11, 2009
Clearly the US only benefits from a greater emphais on renewable energy. How this bill directly will provide an effective support platform to do this, is not clear. What will continue is fundemental miss direction of incentives in regards to securing sustainable, deployable, renewable energy.

Solar and Wind dominate the press excepting the brief escalation of focus on the liquid fuels. Numerous, documented, new technology, developmental efforts are underway, and surely some will pan out. It is understandable the surface appeal of technologies which operate "with free fuel". But that is not a true statement, the cost is spent on the infrastructure to gather that which is free. The fact is there is not, presently, one right answer.

What we don't see and havent seen is a pragmatic focus on utilization of biomass in a reliable, cost effective and environmentally friendly basis that can be deployed today. Straight forward systems that "burn" biomass will and should carry emissions concerns and find critisisms in most corners. However systems employing two stage combustion (hybrid gasification) operate very cleanly, are efficient and can modulate to loads imposed. Best of all, we can install and use them today applying thermal energy produced or converting it to electricity or both. And the definition of useable biomass is much broader than wood, it simply requires these more sophisticated systems to take advantage of them.

Affirmation of this is evident in Europe, South America, Easter Europe but less in America. As one contributor pointed out, there really isnt a better investment than pursuit of energy indpendance; but this means starting now using solutions that will pass todays risk and return models.

What we need is a background of real recognition of and economic support for those that make the commitments to start using renewable biomass today with sensible requirements on efficinciey and reliabiltiy.
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17 of 18
February 14, 2009
John Dye. I am on your side with renewable energy. My company makes equipment to change biomass waste to bio oil. This is a direct replacement for boiler/burner fuel. But you do none of us good with claims that are not fact. Our world ( which I believe was created by God) is balanced by 4 laws of energy. The reactions controlled by these laws are always heading towards equilibrium. Matter is not created or destroyed but changes state. Areas of the globe that have more CO2 bring about more aggressive growth rates in plants. You can test this fact with a simple terrarium. Pump in all the CO2 you like and watch how fast the things grow. Plants as you know breath in CO2 and breath out O2 keeping the carbon as the building block that when burned we see in charcoal. Some tree types that take 25 years to maturity in the U.S. take less than 12 in Argentina. I am green and support a low impact human interaction with nature. A tempered position with bring more understanding than one inflamed by passion not science.
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18 of 18
May 9, 2009
I represent a firm that is seeking grant funds to produce a new wind turbine design and prototype. Further, we intend to construct a large windfarm in Wisconsin. Have contacted Grants.gov and will apply in September for PH I funding. In the mean time, where is "Stimulus" funding for such an enterprise?
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