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September 9, 2008   |   11 Comments

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September 12, 2008
I'm on my second geothermal heat pump - a Climate Master SEER 27, installed in 2006. The first was installed in 1985. It is a closed loop system with only water within the loop. I've been extremely happy with the performance of both geothermal systems, and I can only imagine how much energy I've saved over the years, and suspect it paid for itself a couple of times over. When the new unit was installed, I also installed the domestic hot water heater assist feature (called a desuperheater) which used waste heat from the unit and looped it through the hot water heater via copper pipes and small circulator pump. I just finished installed Schuco hot water solar system which rendered the desuperheater obsolete, which I wouldn't have installed if I'd known I was going to install solar. Oh well, I thought I was doing the right thing at the time. A $1,000 grant from the state of Maryland a a federal tax credit helped offset the expense.
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September 12, 2008
I also heat and cool with a ground loop heat pump system. It is an excelent way to reduce energy consumption, and positions you to take advantage of renewable electricity as it becomes more available. It does take advantage of the renewable nature of the ground temperature. Very highly recommended!
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September 12, 2008
What are cost quidelines for closed loop geothermal heat systems? What is the breakdown of cost between equipment and between installation of the in-ground loops?
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September 12, 2008
We've enjoyed our decision 20 years ago to add an air source heat pump to our heating / cooling system on our house & it is still working great all these years later, adding many years of life to our mid-efficiency oil furnace which only has to come on when it gets to about -5 celcius. Our oil bill for our 1500 sq. ft. well insulated bungalow in Ontario, Canada is just $700 / year & that includes our oil fired back-up hot water heater, which supplements our solar hot water heater. As for the use of electricity to run the air source heat pump, we have a 1.6 KW solar P/V system in place on our house to help offset about 1/5th of our total electrical consumption. We sell our solar power to the Hydro grid & get 42 cents / kwh what we produce, then buy our power back from Bullfrog Power ( who supply only clean electricity in the form of small hydro & windpower ) at 8.9 cents/ kwh. If our air source heat pump ever gives up the ghost some day, we'll replace it with a ground source one in a heartbeat......it's really a no brainer to have a free non-carbon fuel source such as the air, earth or water working for you. That price will never fluctuate once you make the initial investment & you're leaving a minimal carbon footprint with the electrical use, which becomes even less when we add more solar panels to our system as we can afford to. Hope this info. helps someone thinking about doing such things....go for it!
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September 12, 2008
One problem it seems to me about powering a GSHP is that the compressors generally have a high enough wattage rating that they are impractical for use with a domestic PV system. For example, my 10KW PV system could power the GSHP system for a few hours in full sun around mid day, but at other times when the output of the PV system is maybe 5KW or lower, it might not be sufficient to power my house as well as the GSHP. Additionally, at night, it would have to operate off of batteries. I have 16.5 KWH battery storage, which if the GSHP which might only provide 3-5 hours of operation.

The other issue is that a GSHP works well with radiant floor system, but not with hydronic baseboard heaters, which require a higher temperature than the 120 degrees (F) that current GSHP's produce. I like the idea of adding a solar hot water boost to heat water for baseboard heaters. All it takes is money up front!!!!
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September 12, 2008
GS systems are great for surburban and rural locations, but very difficult to install in urban areas. I tried to put together a thermal solar / GS heatpump hybrid system that would dramatically reduce the ground loop size, but fell on ungenerous and uncooperative ears. Even in alternative energy, you run into closed minds. GS definitely deserves to be considered in this catagory. If the will is there, it's a zero carbon utility.
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September 12, 2008
I really like the idea of heat pumps, however I can't figure out why real geo-thermal heat from a source such as is found in Yellowstone Park is not considered, ala Iceland. That heat would come up very hot from a short distance down and could be used in many ways. My only objection to such a system is that it would still leave the production to a large entity that would have to make a profit. I favor individually owned power on every roof. No taxes to collect, no profit to be made for shareholders. Eveything an individal can do to lesson dependency on the grid is the way to go.
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September 13, 2008
I live in Port St. Lucie, Florida and am very interested in installing a ground source geothermal heat pump to provide air conditioning and hot water. I have been unable to find a company to provide these services. I have plenty of land area for the coils to be buried. If anyone can help, it would be appreciated!
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September 13, 2008
Heated Discussion, Bad Name Good Technology
My company has developed high efficiency Low Temperature Gradient (LTG) "Cheap" to manufacture sterling engines, for LTG renewable applications, unglamorously called "RET". We are intrigued by the prospects of applying it to the boundless Geothermal (and atmospheric) heat temperature gradients. Whether it decreases energy costs to add / subtract a BTU to/from a working fluid (e.g., ambient/ space heating, hot water heating; refrigeration, air conditioning), or convert a BTU to the gold standard a kWh of electricity is irrelevant. RET should be able to extend the envelop of choices so that the LTG's can be converted to electricity, and/or used directly in heating / cooling applications. Directly applying thermal energy to heating/ cooling is a more efficient thermodynamic cycle than converting that energy to electricity and then into heat/ cooling. The problem with "ET" Energy Technology, is that it WORKS, and it is cheap. How do you tell TB Pickens, that his billions spent could have produced more power from Geothermal, and 24 x 7? Sannerwind@gmail.com
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September 15, 2008
J.S. writes
"I can't figure out why real geo-thermal heat from a source such as is found in Yellowstone Park is not considered, ala Iceland."

It's not only been considered, it's been done in Idaho since 1892, and Idaho's been adding more such systems in the past few decades.

http://www.energy.idaho.gov/alternative_fuels/Geothermal/detailed_district.htm
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September 16, 2008
message to Connie Kohan--International Ground Source Heat Pump Association (IGSHPA) has an online list of installers listed by state. Some areas have few installers. I heat, cool and create hot water via open loop on a ground source heat pump. I buy grid supplied wind power at a premium to run the system. I did a retrofit on an older building using my existing 20 gal a minute water well . Seasonal COP is around 4. Look for two stage air to air heat pumps just now coming on the the market. They are effective down toward 0 degrees. I'm looking at a payback of about 5 years on my system versus oil which I was using.
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