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Hydrogen Projects Finding Mixed Funding Sources

By Charles W. Thurston, Correspondent
August 22, 2008   |   18 Comments

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"There has been an annual average of CAN $200 million [US $187M] worth of private sector investment in hydrogen R&D, demonstration and/or deployment, corresponding to about CAN $1 billion [US $940M] over the past five years."

-- John Tak, President, Hydrogen & Fuel Cells Canada
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1 of 18
August 26, 2008
This article does not deal with Ulf Bossel's and other critiques that hydrogen fuel cell cars are in too many and too severe, even inherent ways inferiour to battery electric cars.

Hydrogen fuel cell cars are a dead end. People still tout it, but then some people still tout that the earth is flat.
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2 of 18
August 26, 2008
Ulf Bossel's critique is not all correct. While hydrogen technologies have their challenges, so do batteries. One prime example: range. But luckily, we don't have to choose. We have to use the right combination.

Hydrogen technologies work WITH batteries, as well as renewables, hybrid drive systems and other alternatives. There won't be a silver bullet answer to our energy woes, but having worked with industry and for the National Hydrogen Association for many years, I can tell you that hydrogen will be an important part of the solution.

Hydrogen can reduce fuel imports, improve the environment and grow the economy with a variety of different products for: portable electronics, stationary power and all kinds of transportation.
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3 of 18
August 26, 2008
If you'd like to know more about emerging markets and new hydrogen products for sale today, I invite you to visit:
http://www.h2andyou.org/lives.asp
and
http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/general/productsSearch.asp
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4 of 18
August 27, 2008
Hi siphon. I think your nose has been to close to the petrol tank to make such a statement. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are a dead end you must be joking they are only beginning.
As for batteries, the fork lift industry can't replace them quick enough with hydrogen fuel cells.
All I ask is to open your mind leave your predjudices behind and support the people who trying their best to bring the world a secure clean form of energy.
Mike H. founder HYDROGENHEADS
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5 of 18
August 27, 2008
Such as a governmental expert, I read with the greatest interest the exchanges about the so often refered at "Bossel's critique": without prejudging of the Ulf Bossel's work, this indeed comes often as an heavy packaged judgement and in meetings, this may place the advisory experts almost in a world of believing or not in the hydrogen economy.
Naive request for information:
Which papers arising from the scientific community would give a response to the "critique", structured and pointing out the chances for the possible ways to overcome (or not) the obstacles stated in the mentioned critique, and this taking into account the last developments with respect to hydrogen production ways, storage, use... Thanks to ALL !
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6 of 18
August 27, 2008
can I add my request for a balanced article on the pros and cons of Hydrogen as an energy transfer medium for vehicles compared with electrons and a liquid carrier such as methanol . The problems are obvious ( eg climate effects of escaped hydrogen, technology costs, eroie ) but does the historical rate of progress in solving these problems( after all we have over 30 years of evidence of the technology curve) mean we will get realistic competitive products on the streets within the next ten years?
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7 of 18
August 27, 2008
Hydrogen is not a RE but simply an energy storage and it mainly competes with batteries. Each has their pros and cons. Batteries main pro is the lower cost and proven technology - this is also why it receives exponential amounts more funding than hydrogen.

PS - Michael, what are you talking about on forklifts? We are in the process of leasing several new lifts at my facility and had several manufacturers provide proposals (Toyota, Bendi, Hyster, etc.). Not a single one were pushing, talking, or selling anything on hydrogen powered lifts. It may happen in the distant future, but "the fork lift industry can't replace them quick enough with hydrogen fuel cells" is way off base.
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8 of 18
August 27, 2008
Hydrogen is a very expensive and problemsome alternative to powering fuel cells.

It is becoming obvious in New England, that's it's proponents have pushed aside the critical need to heat and insulate the homes of the poor and elderly and to supplement their energy needs in favor of funding their projects.

One of the major Alt. fuel associations met this summer and pretty much settled on natural gas as the preferred fuel for either ICE's or fuel cell hybrids.

I find natural gas an easier way to store and transport my hydrogen; besides I can make it at home using an anerobic digester.
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9 of 18
See:
http://knol.google.com/k/michael-foster/the-hydrogen-car-hoax/2on0cj1ivesbw/2# on the "The Hydrogen Car Hoax"

The worst fraud on our government has been Shell Oil putting hydrogen stations in the political capitals with bait and switch prices. They have also been misleading our United States Post Office. I wish all the industrial hydrogen users would go to their stations and fill up until Shell gets out of their shell and becomes honest like BP that dropped hydrogen.

I personally talked to one of BP's research doctors that know about the hoax of hydrogen compared to rational alternatives. I wonder which other multinational corporations will become honest with the American people.
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10 of 18
August 27, 2008
My supplier of propane, soon to be replaced by natural gas...pipe is now two blocks away, has over 12,000 customers and a big buyer of Mercedes cars.

The dealer offered him a free hydrogen prototype to drive.

He refused to drive it on safety reasons and wouldn' elaborate when we discussed it. I don't think he wanted the hassle of making hydrogen.

If one of Maine's leading dealers of gas and other fuels won't touch a Mercedes hydrogen powered car; then why should I take a chance?
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11 of 18
August 27, 2008
Hydrogen does not imply automatically fuel cells , classic engines run
perfectly on hydrogen .
Draw back like for electric cars is range : weight of battery or weight of
high pressure tanks .
Fuel cells having better efficiency that engines the range is better .
But hydrogen like electricity has to be produced either from hydrocarbons
reforming (but with carbon sequestration ) either by electrolysis from RE sources . For large quantities the best continuous source could be large
floating OTEC plants in tropical waters ; the largest RE source available
on earth .
( OTEC stands for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion )
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12 of 18
August 27, 2008
Paul.

HFC fork lifts are happening now and are proving their worth at Wal-Mart and Bridgestone Firestone. I have no doubt smaller companies will follow the trend when they gain confidence in the new technology.

Mike H.
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13 of 18
August 27, 2008
hydrogenics is selling packs today for lift trucks gm fedex have tested them are better and economical
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14 of 18
August 27, 2008
To All:
Hydrogen is here to stay. Denmark which gets 32% of its power needs are from wind power. Denmark recognized the varaiability of wind power and now has started to build "hydrogen valley" . It is a huge undertaking to generate, store and convert H2 into electricity to smooth out the wind power variations.
Batteries are far more expensive to buy and maintain than fuel cells. Batteries only last about 5 years, so it takes two sets of batteries to last the same as a fuel cell (10 years). Hence, the batteries are more expensive.
Carbon fiber tanks holding H2 at 10,000 psi have suvived auto crashes that have flattend cars and crushed gasoline tanks. When the H2 does leak, it diffuses up and not like gasoline flows to the ground and catches fire in an accident.
By the way, the Hidenburg blimp fire WAS NOT caused by H2 as determined by a NASA scientist and the 1934 research by German scientists. (the German blimp company did not listen to them). The blimp caught fire from the lightening strike that ignited the electrical conducting silk underlayer that then burned the aluminum and cellulose nitrate outer coating. The H2 burned last.
Hydrogen has the highest energy density of any fossil fuel.
There are plans being drawn for about 1500 hydrogen fueling stations in the U.S. right now.
The hydrogen fuel cell auto tour of 10 major auto makers of FCV cars started in Maine and will arrive in Los Angeles the last of this month. A distance of 2200 miles. Of course, the hydrogen fueling trucks are following behind (Air Products and Linde).
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15 of 18
August 28, 2008
So many of these articles on hydrogen energy are exasperating in their omission of how we can make, and distribute, a billion pounds per day of hydrogen from zero carbon means. Right now, we get H2 mainly from natural gas. The USA uses 140 billion gallons of gasoline per year. Where do we get that equivalent amount of hydrogen? And how do we distribute it, since H2 requires a completely new (and costly) pipeline and storage infrastructure? Who pays for thousands of miles of electropolished steel pipelines? The existing natural gas infrastructure cannot be used. If you have clean electricity from solar, wind or other, then you can either make H2 with it, or power the neighborhood, which is equally important as transportation.

In defense of H2, I think the safety concerns are overstated; the stuff disperses swiftly into the environment when released. Nor does it ignite and burn that easily. I am hoping that the effort to create H2 as a means of energy storage for intermittent RE bears fruit. I believe, however, that effective battery powered cars will show up before the H2 infrastructure reaches into every neigborhood gas station.
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16 of 18
September 1, 2008
Our company, Limnia, Inc. (http://www.limnia.com) has resolved almost all of the issues associated with hydrogen infrastructure. We store hydrogen in patented, solid-state, non-pressurized canisters that are safe, efficient, better than many battery solutions, use common carriers already built out globally and can recharge a car in seconds via hot-swap. Our many hydrogen generation partners have shown methods, this year, to make hydrogen from water or organic waste so that the energy efficiency is completely attractive.

Cindy Lewis
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17 of 18
September 17, 2008
I heard a story on NPR about a researcher who invented a way to make hydrogen out of aluminum powder and water. There was something about another element that kept the aluminum oxide from coating the powder particles and stopping the reaction. Anyway, the energy density is incredible, and its easy to transport. The waste product is aluminum oxide which would be shipped back to the factory and recycled to the original aluminum powder, using electricity (hopefully from and RE source?). They made a car that would run on this fuel. They have some technological hurdles still in front of them, but this is one of the most promising hydrogen technologies I've heard of, especially since it dispenses with the need for high pressure tanks, pipelines, and compressors.
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18 of 18
September 18, 2008
Just to share this info...

Recently, most of the car manufacturers and their engineers work out with alternative fuel (hidrogen fuel?) sources to gain consumers needs based on the rising of the oil prices.

A lot of alternatives sources for automobiles are being created such as hidrogen fuel cars, electric cars and solar cars. By now there is no one can reach the public's eye which can utilized their money and useful enough to be their transport.
Hybrid recently becomes popular but it still not enough to fulfill consumer need where they still need to have full tank of gas! and its prices too much higher rather than ordinary cars. Solar cars still being tested by the engineers and it seems hard to be produce due to its highly costs.

read more... http://hidrogen-fuel.blogspot.com/2008/09/can-hidrogen-fuel-be-possible.html
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