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Creating Realistic Expectations for Renewable Energy

Stephen Lacey, Staff Writer
August 20, 2008  |  13 Comments

It's a delicate time for the renewable energy industry. Now that the public eye is focused more intensely on clean energy technologies, there are a lot of high expectations about their potential. Properly educating consumers, investors and journalists about what each technology can realistically offer will be one of the most important factors in moving renewables forward, say industry professionals.

At the consumer level, that means encouraging buyers to do the necessary research about the product they're purchasing and the company they're working with. If buyers don't really know what they are getting, that could make for a less-than-satisfactory experience — or even worse, a situation where the customer gets scammed.

Sue Kateley, Executive Director of the California Solar Energy Industries Association, says she sees a growing number of scammers getting into the solar industry who are making overblown claims about energy output and estimated return on investment. In the last few months, she has received three different calls from consumers in California who had large deposits taken from them by sketchy installers who made promises they couldn't deliver.

In two cases, customers put down US $40,000 for a deposit and never got the system installed. In one case, a customer put down US $105,840 for a deposit on a system even though the customer was unsure about the relationship. By the time this customer had second thoughts about the installer, the contract was signed and the check was cashed.

“In doing some further investigation, it doesn't really look like these are solar companies. It looks like these are opportunists...that are setting up websites and opening an office...and they're just going around and taking advantage of unsuspecting people,” says Kateley.

With aggressive solar targets and a robust incentive structure in California, scammers see a big opportunity to take advantage of uneducated consumers, she says. And as other states continue to increase their support for solar, the problem will undoubtedly spread to other states. The only way to stop this from happening, says Kateley, is to teach people how to make smart decisions when purchasing solar or other renewables. That means knowing how to find a licensed contractor, understanding what's in a contract, and most importantly, knowing how solar works.

“I think that anytime you have a lot of government and public attention on going green, people don't know really what that means. And since customers don't tend to do a lot of due diligence themselves, they really are taking on faith that the person who's selling them this product will treat them well. I think that's the problem that I see picking up — the green movement has brought in some snake oil-type practices and that's very sad.”

The situation is similar to that of the late 1970's and early 1980's when the booming solar hot water industry attracted a number of scammers who put up shoddy systems. Many Americans lost confidence in the technology and the solar hot water industry still hasn't fully recovered. This time around, scammers in the solar-photovoltaic industry have gotten more hi-tech. The internet has made it easier for people to set up a professional looking website and lure consumers with flashy promotions and complicated jargon.

The residential wind industry is experiencing a very similar issue, says Wind Energy Expert Mick Sagrillo. He sees the same type of scammers setting up websites promoting new vertical axis turbines and publishing theoretical performance data that has no relevance to the actual output of a system. Many of these devices are untested and are being promoted by people who know they have a questionable technology, he says. If someone buys a poorly-made turbine and it malfunctions, the consumer's problem turns into a public problem.

“When you put a solar system on your roof and it doesn't work, nobody will be able to tell. When you put a small wind turbine on your roof or in your backyard and it doesn't work, the whole neighborhood knows. That could have a lasting effect on someone's opinion about wind. We have to make sure people are making smart purchases so that we maintain confidence in these technologies,” says Sagrillo.

The main reason that sham companies are able to thrive, he says, is that people don't really understand energy. If someone doesn't know what type of performance data to look for, the potential for them to get dazzled by overblown or false claims about a technology increases. As founder of the wind-installation company Lake Michigan Wind and Sun, Sagrillo gets a large number of people looking into wind generators because of the rising cost of gasoline. The fact that people equate electricity generation with gasoline shows how uneducated many Americans are about energy, he says.

“It's great that people are looking for alternatives, but it's amazing how little people know when they seek them out. That leaves people open to purchasing a product that is less-than-reliable. We are a very gullible culture, we're always looking for the magic bullet,” says Sagrillo.

That magic bullet thinking is spread by the mainstream media, Sagrillo says. Too many journalists take company claims about cost, performance and project timelines at face value. He believes that lack of critical analysis is passed on to consumers.

Technology Journalist Peter Fairley agrees. If companies are allowed to make claims they can't deliver on, that may damage public confidence in certain technologies, he says. Too often, companies don't release enough information to properly evaluate claims about the economics or energy output of a product.

“It's critical for us to point out when companies are not answering questions. There's a lot of hype around certain companies that are being very secretive and where there's real potential for not only investors to get hurt, but also for the image of the industry...to be hurt.”

One of the more secretive companies in the industry has been Arizona-based Stirling Energy Systems (SES). The company plans to roll out 300 megawatts (MW) of its Dish/Stirling systems in Southern California by 2010 for around US $1.50 per watt. After that, the company says it will scale up to 900 MW, but it has not issued a timeline for the expansion. There are plans for another project that could eventually bring the total installed capacity of Dish/Stirling systems in California to 1,750 MW.

But Barry Butler, an engineer with 30 years of experience with solar thermal electric technologies, says that SES is not being honest about the realities of its proposal. He's worked with Dish/Stirling devices and believes they have a lot of potential. But “to claim that you could do it for $1.50 a watt, which is just a little more than a gas turbine, it isn't physically possible. You can't buy the materials and assemble a 16,000 pound dish for that. It defies the laws of physics, materials procurement and materials costs,” he says.

In addition, says Butler, rolling out 12,000 Stirling Dishes by 2010 is theoretically possible, but it doesn't take into account any of the reliability issues that the company may face. Right now, there are only six dishes operating today. A more realistic timeline would be to roll out 1 MW (40 dishes) for a year of testing, then move to 10 MW and eventually to 300 MW. Even at such a large scale, SES may be looking at an installed cost of around US $7.00 per watt, he says.

“They're going to buy 12,000 engines that they've never bought before and put them on dishes and expect to generate power. It's just highly unlikely. They're probably looking at 2020,” Butler predicts.

SES declined three interview requests for this story.

There have been a number of stories in the media hailing the SES projects as the next big thing for solar. Butler says that none of them have critically evaluated the issues associated with cost, reliability and timeframe for development.

That type of unchecked enthusiasm is not the way to build a sustainable industry, says Fairley, the journalist. The best way to educate people about the potential of renewable energy is to be realistic about what the technologies can offer.

“One of the failings of technology journalism over the years has often been a tendency to focus on the technical potential of new products to the exclusion of the present technical challenges that need to be overcome. It's important for us to always be flagging those challenges,” says Fairley. 

For more on this topic, listen to the August 14 edition of the "Inside Renewable Energy" podcast. 

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Frank J. Heller
Frank J. Heller
August 27, 2008
I do alternative energy site assessments and find most of what I do is to lower expectations via information and education of the client.

The two most misinformed areas are WIND and SOLAR PV.

Nearly no-one realizes that the power yeild for a wind turbine is about 25% of the face plate output; and without battery storage, when the wind drops they get nothing, so they still need a grid tie.

Nor do they realize how tall a tower must be to clear obstructions to eliminated turbulence---see August HOME POWER article on 'How tall is too tall?". Nor do they realize that the turbine has to be maintained and that is an expensive climb; esp. in the winter or after storm/lighning damage.

Solar has a lot of hidden costs when you deal with retrofitting---Maine has the largest stock of old houses in the U.S., a house.

Most aren't solar sited; many roofs need reinforcement or panel tilts; then there are plumbing runs down to the basement--where the boiler and hot water heaters are.....this is the expensive part.

PV is the worse, since the owner doesn't have a clue to how many panels it takes to make a dent in their electric bill; or the costs of acquiring and maintaining a battery bank.

Those solar calculators are nice; but don't include all these hidden costs.

There are several outcomes:

o I schedule a detailed inspection by a solar or wind installer for a firm quote;

o They are shifted over to another energy source; one guy was dismayed when I pointed out his new garage had a perfect roof for solar thermal to go with his radiant heating; he was dying to have a large wind turbine in a light wind area with 75' trees.

o They are pointed into a discrete application...a 400 watt wind mill direct wired to a 30 gal.electric hot water heater...when wind blows, you get a tank of hot water. $600 + install.

Microhydro is yet another area filled with misinformation---the problem in Maine is the cost of permitting; not the installation($1,000+)
william hughes
william hughes
August 26, 2008
Perhaps the way to stop the most extreme scammers lies with the banks. How about setting up a system whereby the customer puts his deposit into a special account in the bank which he will sign over to the provider when the system is up and running and the Ammeter on a fully sunny day shows the current that the provider promised.
With a wind system, the ammeter would have to show the advertised current with the brochure-designated wind speed. The criteria are clear and not subjective. There still remains the problem of longevity but an agreed withholding fee, paid back after the first year of operation in accordance with the advertised performance would go a way towards sorting out this problem. What is this about a deposit of $100,000. What sort of gold plated system is being installed. Someone deserved to get scammed.
Siphon 06
Siphon 06
August 26, 2008
This is unfortunate, but happens in every rapidly accellerating market. Doing a bit of research into the companies is always prudent. I hate to say it, but investing without due diligence is stupid whether the investment is in photovoltaics or garbage bags.
Berchtold Frank RORDORF
Berchtold Frank RORDORF
August 26, 2008
What type of law do you have in California, allowing crooks to pocket checks for work not done? Do you not hav police and law and order?

Greetings form a naive Swiss Citizen!
Jay Rosenberg
Jay Rosenberg
August 24, 2008
The first victim of any war is truth. We are in the energy wars. Capitalism and business is war. Journalists should play a more enlightening role, but, technology fundamentals are hard for engineers to ferret out, let alone the punctuation slingers. Why can't journalists understand, it not the cost/KW STUPID, it's the cost/kWh, over its life, less maintenance, at private, or utility interest rates, plus cost of transmission! Why didn't the journalist pounce on low temperature Solar Energy designs whose NET power constrained by Carnot equations were / are dismal. And, the hundreds of millions of $ obtained from the deep pockets of sterling (no pun) US icons of IT, telecom, VC worlds, who I doubt were ever told "oops", Houston we (ie you) have a problem. Behind that is Chapter 2, intrigue, stove piping and worse, more meat for Journalists with a nose. The question of can it be done, is definitively yes, but not with the extant "leaders", mavens, or guru's, at the helm. Secondly, the definition of "it", must be energy, not just electricity, a paltry 10% of energy consumption. Had I advised Gore he would have said 100% energy, not just electricity (which is a 10% solution) from renewable sources in 10 years. For political balance, M'cCain touted Vestas, which holds its supply chain meetings in China, not the US. Tis also a foreign company, no problem with that, but, I thought McCain was pushing US excellence!

My company is intent on commercializing $.05/kWh renewable energy, using a high efficiency Renewable Energy Turbine and other proprietary fare, to the consternation of some leading competitors. The Bigs are keenly aware that it's a zero sum game, no electron has a name, no customer loyalty extends beyond the pocket book. There will be an awful lot of legacy systems, providing the ultimate environmentally friendly irony: Recycling – The history of renewable energy written by technology journalists. . SANNERWIND@gmail.com
Sam Telleen
Sam Telleen
August 23, 2008
This article is right on the money about the consumer renewable energy market. Utility scale energy companies have teams of meteorologists, engineers and financial analysts making sure renewable energy projects are profitable (trust me, my wife works for one). How can anyone expect the distributed market to succeed when most consumers don't even know what renewable energy options are available, let alone how they can be applied? Solar calculator sites are doing the right thing for the industry, but what about small wind or ground source heat pumps? There are many places where wind and geothermal are better options. For this industry to succeed in the long run, it has to be done right. Technologies have to be applied regionally for maximum benefit based on all variables. They have to be installed by certified, reliable and financially solvent companies. I have a group of friends (all engineering nerds) that really believe in this idea. We are trying to build a resource based on that philosophy. Check out www.AlternateEnergyCentral.com. It is our first cut but we're excited about what it could become. There is a phase 1 renewable energy calculator. We're working on several corrections/additions (like solar hot water and geothermal) to the calculator now, in addition to reviews for installers & technologies, along with other search tools.

Every day I read an article announcing a technical breakthrough that will change the energy industry. If you're lucky, it might mention something about complications and limitations. It is probably starting to sound like the Boy Who Cried Wolf to the general public. It is important that the industry present itself to the consumer on real terms. Excitement is good as long as there is an honest evaluation to go along with it.
Lorin Vant-Hull
Lorin Vant-Hull
August 22, 2008
A great resource for anyone contemplating adding solar PV or hot water to their home is provided by the American Solar Energy Society otherwise known as ASES (www.ASES.org). ASES provides the web site FINDSOLAR.COM which not only lists a large number of reputable solar installers, but also has a 'solar calculator' which provides an estimate of system cost, based on your location, electric or hot water usage, available subsidies and tax breaks, and a reasonable list of other assumptins, which are clearly spelled out.
In addition, the current (July August'08) issue of their member magazine, solar today, has this discussed on the last page by Ken Schinkopf.
So go to FINDSOLAR.COM, join ASES, get the prize winning magazine with a lot of info about solar, and enjoy life.
william hughes
william hughes
August 22, 2008
It is excellent that you are reporting companies which are selling unrealistic expectations. I hope that in the future you also report companies who are delivering on the information in their brochures so that little by little we can build up a picture of who delivers.
Phil Manke
Phil Manke
August 22, 2008
To Doug D about heating your old house; After weather sealing and insulating well, look into Coaxial Vacuum Tubes for heating if you are north of central Illinois latitude. Outputs run about 50 to 70 watts per tube in arrays. South of there at lower elevations the flatties will work for space and DHW heat. Payback can be achieved in less than ten years. Less if you self install.
S WORTHY
S WORTHY
August 22, 2008
Consumers must educate themselves, that is a extremely important. But what do we do about the press and more importantly the politicians that support and quote "potential" alternatives (i.e. Al Gore). I give him credit, his comment "the sun provides enough energy to fuel the world daily" is actually accurate, if the technology to harness it was available. The impact on the environment to do that makes it prohibitive, 70 acres of Solar panels to operate a Walmart Super Center for example, well, you do the math and try not to look at the expense side or the toxic wastes created in solar panel production. Yes indeed, education is a must!
Tom Goddu
Tom Goddu
August 22, 2008
We need some wiki pages where resources and calculators and forecasts can be evaluated and shared. As a group we should be able to rate the best and most useful ones and have bell curve consensus on the direction of trends, such as purchased energy prices by state, the proximity of better technology and the likelihood of increase or decrease in subsidy rates.
Douglas Dewitz
Douglas Dewitz
August 22, 2008
This and Glenn Harris's article hit the nail on the head. What the renewable sector needs to do is make investment opportunities whether it be market investment or residential and commercial application as informed, legitimate and as inexpensive as possible to get around reliance on political whims. Compete with oil! Winter 2008-09 is coming I want to know how to heat my old house, and I want a solar infusion of BTUs as fast and as reasonable as possible. I want informed choices and I want to eliminate big oil/gas/propane etc. The only way renewables are going to compete is to offer a better alternative at a competitive price, NOW. The renewable sector needs to look at the American motor industry slump to learn that they have to offer a better value so that the common consumer will choose renewables as soon as possible. By the way...why not an article on the true tax subsidies which are supporting established energy producers while they report decent profits. Don't forget the cost of our foreign policy supporting the oil producers.
mike johnston
mike johnston
August 21, 2008
I agree that properly educating consumers is crucial. I also feel that broadening the scope of sources to a global one is important. Too much news is nationalistic and this ignores equally important developments in the rest of the world and tends to make countries feel isolated. The challenge of moving into new areas of energy is a global one because the effects and consequences are global.

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