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34 Reader Comments
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1 of 34
July 23, 2008
Well said chad why can't more people think rationally and logically....
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2 of 34
July 23, 2008
We should drill, but only under two conditions:

1: We put the screws to the oil companies whom we choose to drill OUR oil. They can drill profitably at $30 per barrel or so. The other hundred bucks should go to us, not them. What is a hundred dollarss times 10-20 billion barrels of oil? Yeah. $1-2 trillion.

2: Absolutely every drop of this money should go towards renewables, energy R&D, mass transit, environmental stewardship, etc - in other words, to clean up the mess we have made and put us in a position to not need any oil when this oil runs out.
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3 of 34
July 25, 2008
I would just like to say that George Messier below seems to be the only one so far to comment who seems to have a grasp on reality.

The first thing you have to do to replace anything is to make it 1) more expensive or 2) not the best for the purpose intended. At present oil and gas are the only things we have have which can keep us in the lifestyle we hold so dear. The price run up has been the best thing to happen in years. Now with the price so high we can afford some of the high tech gear which until now was to EXPENSIVE. But, and this is a guarantee, oil will power us for many years to come. First we have to get infastructure in place to support any other form of power.

And just so anyone reading this understands I am now and always have been feed by OIL. My father and grandfather were also in the "oil patch".

All I know for sure just saying we are killing our planet will not change anything, the first step is to stop blaming oil and work on viable replacements. UNTIL THAT TIME YOU WILL HAVE TO DRILL FOR MORE OIL AND STILL PAY EVER HIGHER PRICES JUST TO STAY EVEN!!

And let's admit it some of the most ardent users of oil and polluters of our planet come from the very place which screams foul the loudest, and you know who you are.

None of us are going to give up our comforts for anyone or anything, NOT EVEN OUR GRANDCHILDREN OR THE COMPLETE HUMAN RACE.

For the record Chad Brick above is as thick as his name suggests!!
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4 of 34
July 25, 2008
The Democrats say there is plenty of oil and land to drill on. The Republicans say the high price for gas is a supply and demand problem. I set off to look for information. I found some interesting charts on the Bakers-Hughes web site. They are a company that Provides products and services to the worldwide oil and gas industry.
Lets go back a few years. from 1973 to 1979 the price per barrel for oil was less than $10.
During that time the drilling count went from around 1,000 to 2,500 drilling rigs. In 1982 oil prices spiked to around $32 because of the Oil embargo. At the same time the drilling rig count peaked at 4,500 rigs. By 1986 the oil prices had dropped to around $32. The rig count had dropped to 1,900 rigs. From 1987 to 2004 oil bounced from $10 to $35 a barrel. On 4-23-1999 the drilling rig count hit a low of 448. In 2005 oil started going up as did the amount of drilling rigs. Oil passed $40 and the rig count went to around 1,500. As of July 11th 2008 more rigs have been brought online. Up to around 1,900 (equal to the 1986 levels). The price for a barrel is now around $135 per barrel.
It seems obvious to me that the oil companies deploy drilling rigs when it is in their own interests. It has nothing to do with national security or helping consumers. I encourage you to check out this web site and do the research yourself and respond. When the first oil crisis hit in the 70's the oil industry ramped up to 4,000 rigs. With our dependence on foreign oil growing from 25% back then to 60+% now, how can anyone explain the rig deployment dropping to 448 in 1999. It seems oil producers are only interested in profits. How can any one guarantee the oil producers will keep producing when prices drop? The history says no.
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5 of 34
July 25, 2008
There is only one thing that will reduce the price of oil and that is decreased demand. We hear much about the hopelessness of reducing demand due to the increased needs of China and India and as far as it goes this is correct. However, both China and India would love to have an alternative to oil just as we would. The one key to this problem may be the long awaited electric car. The newly developed Lithium titanate batteries should give us practical ranges and with smart metering, we can be charging our cars at preferential rates for the most part when our burgeoning renewable energy sources are producing power in excess of our other demands. Even at the full day time domestic rate, driving on electricity is a third as expensive as driving with petrol. With our tightly connected global culture, it will only take one country to succeed and all the others will follow. The Paradigm shift will be as great as when the car replaced the horse. The leader at present seems to be Israel in cooperation with Nissan-Renault and Project Better Place. If they succeed in electrifying their domestic fleet, there will be an avalanch of conversions across the world. Then oil can become an industrial feed stock as it should be rather than a fuel for burning.
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6 of 34
July 25, 2008
Furthermore...alcohol is not the answer to gasoline unless it can be scaled in such a manner that it doesn't affect the price of other commodities. Corn is a good example of a huge failure in this thinking. So what are you going to make alcohol from?

Electric vehicles are ultimately the answer to the transport energy issue. For several reasons. 1. The equivalent cost per energy unit off the grid is around 25% of the current cost of gas. 2. The Cars and the tech including storage tech are available right now. Production just need to be scaled up to make them affordable. 3. Ultimately an electric vehicle should be less expensive than a combustion engine vehicle to purchase and upkeep because the most expensive component and the one that need the most repairs (the engine) is eliminated.
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7 of 34
July 25, 2008
For Chuck Conover:

I share your enthusiasm for solar (both PV and thermal, incidentally) on all government buildings nationwide. This is a wiser, more equitable allocation of tax or energy revenues.
Beyond solar, most schools have sufficient grounds (lawns, playing fields) to accommodate geothermal systems for heating/cooling. Several hundred schools nationwide have already done this. NREL has a file available for download on this subject.

With regard to oil company incentives: the industry as we know it is probably in decline. The easy oil is gone, most countries have nationalized their assets and production, and recent finds (conventional oil) are
"puddles" in comparison both with past finds, and global needs (Peak Oil).
Were it otherwise, the industry would not be spending so much money going after unconventional oil (Alberta, Colorado shale, etc.)
Overall, they've done nothing wrong. In my lifetime, the only time when supplies were in question was during the embargoes.

Oil exporting nations, for their part, are under increased pressure from their own rising domestic consumption, and will reduce both their production AND their exports, further exacerbating the oil crunch.

RE is entitled to equitable subsidies. If global warming is paramount, an energy tax (carbon, BTU, other) should be imposed upon all conventional sources - not just oil.
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8 of 34
July 25, 2008
Good article. ANWR won't help matters either right-wingers!

The U.S. Energy Info. Admin., an agency within the Department of Energy, concluded that new oil from ANWR would lower the world price of oil by no more than $1.44 per barrel and possibly have as little effect as 41 cents per barrel and would have its largest impact nearly 20 yrs from now even if Congress voted to open the refuge today.

EIA said its projection is that ANWR oil production would amount to 0.4 percent to 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. The figure is low enough that OPEC could neutralize any price impact by decreasing supplies to match the additional production from Alaska.
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9 of 34
July 25, 2008
There is no dispute that drilling will not help the price of oil/gasoline. Even Bush and McCain both said it won't help the price, but it will help the "psychology". That's a stupid reason to drill in protected lands. The real solution is renewables. We need to revoke the billions in subsidies we give to the oil companies and not give them to renewable companies, but rather spend them on putting solar panels on the roofs of all the govt buildings across the nation. While this also won't help with gas prices, if we can meet Al Gore's goal of having 100% of our electricity generated by renewables in 10 years, we develop renewable technologies and help clean the air. Electric cars will then run 100% from renewable energies.

In the short term, alcohol is the answer to gasoline. Existing gasoline cars can run on alcohol with a very minor adjustment. Flex fuel vehicles already can run on alcohol and, like solar, you can produce your own. Toothless backwoodsmen have been making alcohol for hundreds of years with their own stills, seems we could do the same.
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10 of 34
July 25, 2008
Why did they drill off Santa Barbara in the first place? Because there were oil seeps--natural spills--there for hundreds maybe thousands of years. Why did Drake drill near Oil Creek--because there were seeps. Does drilling relieve some pressure and reduce the amount of natural seepage?
At least 4 of the respondents understand the real problem and that additional drilling will give the RE people the time they need to develop their RE products sufficiently to justify their use--environmentally and economically. Wage up. Think rationally.
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11 of 34
July 25, 2008
I hate to say it, but I almost hope that Canada, Russia, Norway, or anybody besides the good ol' USA, prevails in the claims for new oil fields being discovered in the artic. At least those countries will drill for the oil and add supply to the world market.
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12 of 34
July 25, 2008
Like Chad Brick's comments and want to add a 3rd condition-inasmuch as the battle is truly lost already( eg majority of Americans sadly " would drill thru a polar bears head to get oil")-- we need to energize NRDC and Sierra Club etc to make the best deal they can right now to ensure the strictest possible evnvironmental standards. The fields will be drilled if there is oil and we can only hope that we don't wreck the environment under a crash " national emergency" scenario.
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13 of 34
July 25, 2008
It would be nice to believe that our last new well has been drilled, and that RE sources and technologies will come on line in sufficient time, quantities and varieties to effect a seamless transition from carbon to RE. Those who cling to that notion are naive. And typically, those shouting the loudest are those furthest removed from any decision-making responsibility for ensuring
energy supplies adequate to sustain our economy. Drilling won't help for a decade? Neither will higher CAFE standards, but somehow that makes sense....

Misguided environmentalists have succeeded in blocking new FF projects (nuclear, refineries, etc.) so as to limit overall capacity, and drive up the price of energy. Doing so helped to erase RE's price disadvantage. It's actually sound strategy; nobody saves anything that's cheap. Unfortunately, they've been less successful in actually getting RE technologies from the lab to the field in quantities sufficient to meet rising energy demand.

AWEA boasts that it can meet 20% of US demand by 2030. I hope so. Are those figures based on "current demand"? "EIA forecast demand"? Forecast demand including the transportation load shifted from FFs to the electric grid? What's the plan for the other 80%?

Oil fields decline at a rate ~4.5% per year. Equivalent new production has to be brought on line just to maintain current supply levels, roughly 86MM bbls/day. While we're wringing our hands over offshore drilling, we're already using corn ethanol, and oil from Alberta tar sands, a much greater environmental disaster.

In the face of rising global population, burgeoning demand for energy, and the economic and political consequences of our dependency on foreign oil, not drilling is irresponsible. There are no silver bullets; only BBs. Drilling is one of them.
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14 of 34
July 25, 2008
Ahh! yes. The bureaucratic problem. Now it looms clear. Kinda.
There are industries that exist to find petro reserves, and those that drill, and those that transport, and those that lobby for funding to support the others. There are also those in Washington that pander to these interests. Both Demublicans and Republocrats. An administration that values political and industrial and financial power over that of other countries and the value of the health and well being of its own lands and constituencies is extremely short sighted and the leaders of such corrupt regimes should and aught to be impeached for their misrepresentation and crimes and lies to their electorate. But whom of the puppet followers would do this?
You who believe the resources of this world must be squandered quickly are in darkness of your own making. Nor do you realize your own identity. You must ask who you really think you are. Is your brother on the globe to be sacrificed for your own greed and presumed superiority?
Until man(kind?) learns of true harmony among its own species no worthy and long term solutions will be found. The solution to our problems lies within! (and lies, and lies, and lies.)
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15 of 34
July 25, 2008
The basic misconception that is not addressed in either the article or comments is that there is no direct correlation between leasing property and development of the hydrocarbons on the lease. Here in Alaska, the leases for Point Thomson, (just West of ANWR), held by Exxon, BP and Chevron for 27 years were just revoked for lack of development even though there is >900 million bbl of oil and NGLs and >9 trillion cf of gas on the leases. Oil companies will drill the most profitable wells first and warehouse the rest to drill at their leisure. Offshore oil is even more expensive to drill and there is a dearth of drill ships, AHST vessels, pipe-laying vessels, and trained drillers and mariners to operate these rigs/vessels. Beyond the skyrocketing cost of these vessels and lack of people to operate them is the skyrocketing fuel costs to keep them running, so it is highly unlikely that the oil cos would drill even a fraction of the wells necessary to fully develop their existing leases, much less new leases. Of course there is the possibility that they will find a major field in amenable circumstances that they would drill, but most cos will invest only token amounts to retain leases for virtually all properties, as is their current practice. Even with these high oil prices, oil producers are still only developing oil that they can profitably develop if the prices were to fall back to $60/bbl, that's including taxes, royalties and a fat profit. In short, leasing does not equal production, particularly when leasing expensive to develop offshore properties.
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16 of 34
July 25, 2008
Tam, your organization bias and projections of peak oil are the basis of your explanation that drilling will not help.

The problems are that we really don't have enough accurate information to know if it will affect prices. We don't know what the price will be at the time the new oil comes on line, nor do we know what worldwide demand will be. We don't know exactly how much oil is there - perfect example is the recent find by Brazil which is the 3rd largest reserve now in the world.

Drilling is a short term solution to the addiction to FORIEGN oil but doesn't address the address the problem of addiction to a finite resource. However to answer the original question posed of "Will offshore drilling help?" - your article is too biased to be correct.

PS - If it takes 4 years just to get the leases, this is a huge bureaucratic problem - not a drilling problem.
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17 of 34
July 25, 2008
Of course, we must place our forward-looking focus on increasing our use of 'renewable' energy sources to help satisfy the US's demand for energy.

And YES, offshore drilling WILL help. Offshore Drilling with happen, whether we get the advantage of it here in the US, or not, and we'd better take the appropriate steps to use this existing energy sources offshore to our advantage.

In the meantime, and as a parallel effort, we must continue to build and rebuild our existing energy infrastructure -- largely limited by transmission and distribution problems and concerns -- to support the integration of other appropriate and life-friendly energy sources. Yes, sure, it is possible to (they 'can', at Tam indicates in his article) drill for oil for about 30 bucks a gallon, but that does nothing for the 'location, location, location' cost problem of transportation and delivery of the fossil fuel product from its remote location, and also the transportation to and from of men and equipment to retrieve it from those same remote locations.

The option of NOT drilling exists, but that isn't smart at all, now that we have the known reserves within our reach, and other countries willing to go and take those same resources away. Once it's gone, it's gone. With our continued demand for energy and no alternatives in place to supplant good 'ol oil, we must pull these resources out of the ground now.

The concerns for damage, spills, and environmental wreckage are old news... history and so highly unlikely and so many protections put in place with newer laws, regulations and checklists NOW that weren't in place before... yes, there are concerns with a 'presence' of the men and equipment, but even those impacts are very limited and inspected.

We as a society need to choose to whether we want to remain dependent on other sources for energy (and puh-leeze stop pointing the finger at 'big bad oil', or any politician) until we do indeed have the alternatives in place.
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18 of 34
July 25, 2008
If we must drill then let's start where the problems lie. First well off the pristine Walker Point Maine (home of Bush Sr,) and the second of the coast of Crawford Texas. Yes I know there is no caost in Crawford...Yet.
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19 of 34
July 25, 2008
Thats all well and good to say but good luck finding someone who only wants $30 when everyones else is getting $130.
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20 of 34
July 26, 2008
Having worked in the Ghawar field of Saudi Arabia for 15 years, 1990-2005, I can tell you without a doubt that it is in decline. Why else would Saudi now have over 100 drilling rigs working, more than anytime in their histroy. There has not been a real major, or in oilfield terms a "giant", field found in more than 40 years. There are slim chances that there will be, but the only reason is that the price has moved to a point that is is worth the risk to look for one again. A field of a few billion barrels in a remote and hostile enviroment is not woth the investment even at todays prices.

I am now working in Kazakhstan, here proven reserves have been raised by about 400% over the last few years, mostly because Western oil companies are taking over and using not only modern tech but plain old common sense, which was never used during the Russian rule here. At that time it was get it and get it quick and who cares what you lose in the process.

But as stated above no matter the discoveries to come or the increase in reserves because of new tech oil is a finite resource and we are running out quicker than most people realize, so no matter what happens short trem the price is on the way up long trem.
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21 of 34
July 26, 2008
For Kevin Adell: Challenge accepted.

During the nineties, an Asian recession reduced global demand; oil prices collapsed. OPEC internal discipline broke down, and OPEC nations opted to slash prices to hold/gain market share.

Lower prices (below our cost of of extraction) resulted in oil industry bankruptcies, layoffs, mergers and consolidations. Cheap imports rose, our balance of payments suffered, and oil dependency worsened.
Consumers like you and me couldn't have cared less - gas was cheap, and SUVs became the gold standard for stylish transportation.

These numbers are easily verified:

- US has 3% of global (conventional) oil supplies. Middle East has 65%.
Throw in Venezuela & Nigeria, and almost 80% of world's conventional oil
is controlled by OPEC. (US consumes almost 25%).
- US oil production has been in decline since 1970. (We're running out).
(FYI - In 1943, FDR met with Saudi King to cement a relationship; even
then, during WWII, we knew we would soon need Middle East oil.)
- US (lower 48) has been thoroughly explored and drilled. There are no oil
fields of consequence (Conventional oil) remaining to be tapped. (You
don't allocate scarce and pricey equipment and resources to tap a
puddle.)
- Technologies have enabled US to milk declining oil fields a bit longer.
(BAKKEN oil field in Dakotas may be a bright spot coming into play...)

That's the good news.

Bad new is most major oil fields are in decline:
US (incl Alaska's North Slope), Mexico's Cantarell, England's North Sea. Production down in Venezuela and Mexico (oil fields nationalized, and fields mismanaged). Kuwait's Bergen oil field is in decline, and there are persistent, serious concerns that Saudi Arabia'a Ghawar field is also declining.
Oil exporting nations will reduce production to preserve assets.

Cheap energy is neither a birthright nor an entitlement. Not even for Americans.
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22 of 34
July 27, 2008
What are the historical facts.?
Back in 80's India was not involved in offshore.Then came Bombay high and everything changed.True there was a accident and a spill . But take this had it not been for Bombay high where would we been!
So drill hardest like you never drilled before for oil and gas.in offshore regions if you do not want to be held ransom to the countries who own oil on their land,
There is no time to argue.
The winner will be one who drills fastest offshore . Do not talk about 2012 , talk about 2010 or even earlier . This spill business will be a lesser evil to manage than nuclear waste from reactors in time to come. or economic catastrophe that could result due to rising oil prices.Meanwhile work on renewables.
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23 of 34
July 28, 2008
To Kevin Adell:

The economy and energy are pressing issues. Not much has changed in thirty years. Then, the Carter Doctrine set forth our willingness to "defend vital national interests in the Persian Gulf..." A pilot on active duty then, I had no illusions as to what he was referring to...

The public supports drilling OCS. Won't help right now (only demand destruction courtesy of high prices will help now), but in eight or ten years, we'll need that oil. In the interim, existing domestic sources will continue to dry up, and foreign oil exporters will husband their finite resources by curbing production and exports. All that will happen faster than RE can ramp up.

150 billion? Al Gore wants to spend several TRILLION, in just ten years.
Kindly inform the gentleman from Tennessee that he doesn't get a "do-over" for what he totally failed to undertake when he had the chance, as VP from 1993 - 2000.

Wind is making great progress. Solar (PV), until recently a quaint cottage industry, has been totally revolutionized by "big-box" systems under third-party power purchase agreements; and geothermal is enjoying renewed interest.
At best, corn ethanol serves to replace MTBE, an earlier 10% oxygenate that happened to be a groundwater pollutant.

Back to drilling: Too much of our energy infrastructure is concentrated in the Gulf of Mexico (hurricane alley). Not only our domestic extraction and refinery facilities, but much of our import capacity(both oil and natural gas) is co-located here as well. Prudence dictates spreading some of that capability out. There's virtually no spare capacity worldwide.

Summary: continue to develop all energy sources simultaneously until such time as RE can assume the burden. An energy excess is to be preferred over shortage. Shut down FFs prematurely, and you guarantee and economic disaster, and public backlash.
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July 28, 2008
To Jack Morrison:

A retired aviator, I subscribe to the notion that a controlled landing was always to be preferred over "stall, spin, crash and burn."

The issue is not "whether" we should switch to renewables. We're all agreed on that. Rather, the issue is how to transition the economy without wrecking it. Do it right, and the transition could be as seemless as the handoff in a baton relay. Do it wrong, and it will get messy. Keep in mind that most people are just a paycheck or two removed from financial disaster already...

Hybrids are a good start, particularly PHEVs. The grid is everywhere, so NO NEW INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED. But it will take 20+ years to turn over the existing fleet of cars. Like some I've talked to, if I were in the market for a new car, I'd hold off for a PHEV.
Throw in aviation, trucks, and petroleum's use as a feedstock for virtually every industry worldwide, and we're still going to need new oil fields and development, just to replace oil fields in decline.

Similarly, and as stated earlier, AWEA boasts that it can pick up "20% of the electrical load by 2030." Good! But that means that, to help support the OTHER 80%, we're still going to need to build some new coal-fired plants as old ones are retired.

Recommendation: Put a "Floor" under energy prices. Ex: Regardless of what happens in the marketplace, a bbl should never again sell for less than $100. A gallon of gas should never sell for less than $4.00. If fuel prices continue to rise, raise the floor, much like a "stop-loss" on a stock purchase.
So long as the consumer feels real economic pressure, he'll curb consumption (it's called demand destruction), and look for alternatives.
Right now, conservation remains our biggest BB; high prices have saved more fuel this year than all the talk in Washington, or on this board.
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25 of 34
July 28, 2008
To George Messier,

The largest BB is currently carbon based fuels. The Silver Bullet is renewable energy sources. Below are just a few highlights of 2007 spending.


The economy has passed the war as an issue. Energy costs
are the driving factor. Global Warming from carbon based fuels
are now recognized as a pressing issue. I think Americans are
smart and understand the need to aggressively pursue renewable's.
The numbers used below come from the office of Budget and
Management on the (whitehouse.gov) web site.

US Spending 2007
Department of Energy
(In millions of dollars)
National Nuclear Security Administration 9,316
Nuclear Waste Disposal 544
Energy Resources, 2,949
Total, Outlays 22,639

Department of Defense
(In millions of dollars)
Research, Development, Test and Evaluation 73,156
Total, Outlays 504,863


Budget Totals: (In Billions)
Receipts 2,416
Outlays 2,770
Deficit 354
Net Interest on Debt 247

2,770 billion dollars were spent in 2007 (including 247 billion
for interest on the debt), (505 billion for Defense). 73 billion on
Research,Development, Test and Evaluation for military equipment.
9 billion for the missile defense system. 16 billion for NASA.

The Department of Energy spends less than less than 3 billion
on renewable energy.

We spend over 4 billion just on military housing. I encourage you
to scroll through the billions we spend. We are paying a high
price for carbon based fuels because of finite supplies.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2007/budget.html

Mr. Obama has a plan to spend 150 billion over 10 years and
leads on the issue. This is one of the main reasons I support
him. I believe this number should be closer to 50 billion a year
for 20 years, toward renewable energy and conservation. We
have the money if we choose to have the will.
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26 of 34
July 28, 2008
We are addicted to oil like heroin addicts are addicted to heroin. We are now in a place where we can not function as a society without our addiction. Many will say that the answer therefore is more/continued heroin/oil. Like a junkie, cold turkey could mean a quick death. But also like a junkie continued use can equal death. We need to be as aggressive as possible in moving away from our addiction even though in the short term it will be painful. Already the veins are collapsing in the arms. The wells are drying up. Already are friends are no longer returning phone calls having been disappointed by repeated promises to "get clean." The former promise of a once strong dollar is already facing world wide disillusionment. Renewables are the way to "get clean." Drilling is the way to stay mired in addiction.
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27 of 34
July 29, 2008
Nonsense. None of this is personal, and my comments at #30 are not accusatory.
The question of whether drilling OCS will lower current prices is a canard, or straw dog, or "off-the-mark" question if you will, which you correctly answered. It's the wrong question, and totally misses the point.

Just as surely as the SPR was developed for national security reasons, and to mitigate the consequences of a disastrous weather event, having timely access to domestic resources is also. In the absence of properly scaled RE sources up and on line, a ten-year lead time to get at those resources fails the test of being available to meet an "emergency". It's irresponsible, and courts major disruptions in our economy.
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28 of 34
July 29, 2008
George, "renewables" should be considered to include sustainable biofuels. My article is not a canard and I don't think we really need such accusations in this civil forum. The issue of offshore drilling and its role in lowering prices and enhancing energy independence have been much discussed in the media of late. This discussion was what motivated my piece. As I state above, OCS drilling won't help with prices and it won't help with energy independence. It may help in emergency shortage situations, which is why it should stay in the ground until/when such a situation presents itself.
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29 of 34
July 29, 2008
What? No biofuels in your latest sales pitch? Sorry Tam. No sale here.

Back to square one. Your article presents a canard, a false question nobody is seriously asking. The issue isn't whether OCS can reduce prices. It's becomig increasingly clear the cheap oil is gone.

The issue is whether the OCS can impact both our national security, and our balance of trade, by reducing dependence on imported oil. To both, the answer is yes. Just another silver BB in the real world, a world without silver bullets.

In contrast, your proffered solution places continued dependence upon imports, all the moreso as existing domestic fields are depleted. It presumes oversea supplies will continue to be available in the requisite quantities, even as our fields are depleted (Or is that "husbanded?). It presumes foreigners will persist in indulging our appetite for THEIR oil, and THEIR fowled beaches, in exchange for devalued dollars, while we cling to some "shining city on a hill fairy tale. Not a good plan.

I give you corn ethanol as exhibit A. A bad idea, with marginal ERoEI, all for a fuel delivering only 70% of straight gasoline.
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30 of 34
July 29, 2008
George,

US petroleum consumption is projected to decline at least 3% this year over last year, which is highly significant. You and I agree that high prices are on balance probably a good thing despite the temporary pain this will cause to many consumers. If we see the conservation and increased efficiency trends continue, as I believe we will, this will make far more of an impact on our liquid fuels problem than CAFE standards (which as I've written previously are a sham in their latest form) or increased drilling will ever do. This will give us more time to bring EVs, PHEVs and sustainable biofuels online. A recent conference on PHEVs in California showcased the many companies now working to develop retrofit kits for ALL passenger cars to become PHEVs, including kits that attach to rear wheels and provide an additional (electric) drive train. Of course, there are already kits available for turning hybrids into PHEVs. It's just a matter of time before these kits come down significantly in price. Mass adoption is another thing, however, and I think it will be quite small in a relative sense over the next ten years. That is, unless governments get involved in a massive way. The more I learn, the more I realize we need not a "moon shot" effort to get off fossil fuels. We need a World War II-scale effort. The Apollo Program at its height consumed about 4% of the national budget. WWII consumed about 33%. We need something much more akin to WWII than to Apollo.

Offshore drilling, nuclear, clean coal and coal to liquids are all distractions from the long-term solutions. Silver BBs? Yes. And we use this term in our work. But increased efficiency, conservation and renewables constitute enough silver BBs in themselves. The fossil fuel and nuclear BBs you are advocating are distractions from the better solutions.
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July 29, 2008
Tamlyn:

I have no illusions about OCS drilling having any impact on current prices.
None. I've been very clear on that point. But then, neither will higher CAFE standards. Somehow that makes sense (it does - it's one of those silver BBs).
And so is OCS drilling, unless you really believe that a ten-year lead time will be sufficient to respond to emergencies. Like the philospher said, the best time to plant a tree is ten years ago. The second best time is now.

And as I just stated in #25 above, I support high energy prices. We won't save, or conserve anything that's cheap... At this juncture, high prices (an excellent silver BB) are curbing consumption (40 BILLION fewer miles driven since last November). It's EXACTLY as the RE community envisioned long ago when it embarked on a deliberate plan to curtail any further FF development (refineries, coal plants, new drilling, nuclear, etc.) Again, the plan was to raise energy prices, and thereby reduce or eliminate RE's price disadvantage in the marketplace. Good strategy.

Unfortunately, the RE community is better at stopping FF than at delivering RE. Therein lies the dilemma. Unless we buy more time with additional FF development, the time lines don't make for a smooth transition.
"Sustainably produced biofuels"? Where ARE they? Still in the labs, like cold fushion, hydrogen, and cellulosic ethanol.
Meanwhile, food products in your grocer's store have traveled an average of 1500 miles to get there.

And meanwhile, NIMBY has morphed into BANANA: Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything. I give you Cape Wind as an example. Of course, I don't have a veranda overlooking the area. That would be Senators Kerry and Kennedy....
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July 29, 2008
George, certainly the renewable transition can't happen overnight. But you're either not realizing, or not accepting, what the EIA found re the impact of OCS drilling. As I write above, EIA found such drilling would have an "insignificant" impact on prices even by 2030. Why? Because it's such a small amount of oil compared to global oil markets. It's also a relatively small amount of oil compared to the task of making up for declining US fields. US production has declined from 9.6 mbpd in 1970 to 5.1 mbpd in 2007. OCS drilling will very likely not even make up for continuing declines in existing fields. As I write above, we should leave the oil in the ground for real emergencies - just like the SPR. Focusing on oil drilling, nuclear and coal is a distraction from the real solutions: dramatic increases in energy efficiency, renewable electricity and sustainably-produced biofuels. See our regional energy blueprint for more (www.cecsb.org).
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August 2, 2008
This is an enlightening discussion. Thank you to everyone involved.

I have a question. First, my (limited) understanding of oil markets tells me this:
1. The oil beneath the OCS of the US belongs to the people of the US.
2. Any oil produced there belongs to the company that bought the lease and produced the oil.
3. That oil will be sold on the global oil market to anyone that can pay the price.

So, my questions is:
a. Will this oil benefit us, as Americans, any more that it might benefit other oil importers such as or Japan, China or Germany?

The political debate on drilling seems to be based on the notion the "we" can drill "our" oil and use it for "ourselves". I don't think so.
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August 5, 2008
Terry -

The preponderance of the oil produced in the US stays in the US. One exception would be some Alaskan crude which, as I understand it, is shipped to Japan, a key ally in the Western Pacific. As you may know, Japan is virtually 100% dependent upon imported oil; this arrangement works to reduce their dependency on imports from the Middle East. It's also cost effective, in terms of the shipping distances involved between ME & Japan, as compared to ME and US. I would imagine it's used to support the US Navy & Air Force in that region.

If you look at the EIA web site, you'll find a breakdown of oil exports (both crude and finished product). Much of it is diesel fuel with higher sulfur content than is now permissible in the US. Some is MTBE (no longer legal in the US), and so on. Some refined product goes to Mexico, which sends crude to US. And I expect some product to smaller countries lacking refineries of their own.

Hope this is useful.
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