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Solar Works, Scam Artists Don't

By Sue Kateley, CALSEIA
July 9, 2008   |   8 Comments

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8 Reader Comments
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1 of 8
July 11, 2008
well ever Industry has is con artist
this is the LAND OF OPPORTUNITY even if some people on see
the short side of a fast buck
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2 of 8
July 11, 2008
This is good article for customer. One Solar System installer in NJ asked from one fire chief 25K deposit to prepare applioacation for rebate and installation. Fire chief stop thinking of having Solar system...Even I will never give that kind of depost for anything. DOE website should have this info. on one orf its page.
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3 of 8
July 12, 2008
Boy! Talk about arguing semantics! For example.
With the cost of Solar materials so high, who could blame somebody for being tempted in using a "less reputable company" to save a buck on installation. There in lies a problem, not just with Solar, but with the contracting building trades in general, and the human existance.

Noun: temptation temp'teyshun
1 - Something that seduces or has the quality to seduce
- enticement

2 - The desire to have or do something that you know you should avoid
"he felt the temptation and his will power weakened"

3 - The act of influencing by exciting hope or desire
- enticement

Its human nature. Even Jesus Christ himself could not change that.
Besides, how do you expect to "sell" Solar energy without tempting potential end user's? Full colored pictures with beautiful backgrounds, glistening in the sunlight, literature describing the product as being better than what "the other guy" sells.
Who owns the Sun, anyway?
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4 of 8
July 15, 2008
One other thing the article mentions is the deposit scenario. Any company will take money so it is up to the customer to decide if they can trust the installer. Local plumbers and electricians should have some customer base to which the RE customer can be referred. Newer, bandwagon solar companies barely have a reputation and their slick advertising can hide this. But either way getting a deposit to cover materials is a must.
Unfortunately, the cost of RE systems can be very expensive and most of the system's cost is the components. You can't expect the contractor to cover the majority of the upfront cost. The customer has to purchase the components anyway regardless of who is installing. As long a receipt is given there should be no problem. Copies of orders made and material cost should be made available to the customer, if necessary, to confirm costs.
As mentioned earlier, it is up the consumer to be smart and to do their homework before they make purchases and hire people.
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5 of 8
July 15, 2008
I agree that some of these bandwagon companies are way out of line when it comes to installation and material costs. Fancy websites, fliers and catalogs make them look more complicated then what they really are and they are all pretty much selling the same stuff. I've found that those who have to spend large amounts of money on advertising have to charge big bucks for systems just to cover their operating costs. I charge by materials and labor. The easier the installation and the less materials, the cheaper it gets. I've done jobs that were thousands less than other quotes. I've also found that some of those who did jump on the bandwagon over the past five years or so, and spent big bucks to advertise themselves, are failing. Installations are far and few between and maintenence is even less, so keeping a business going with large overhead and little income is quite difficult.
Finding qualified installers once they get the job is also a concern as mentioned in the article. What do you expect? Someone who has just joined the recent movement, or just needed a job, cannot have to much experience, and most probably does not have a construction backround. Also will these companies, and the installers they used, still be around when the system needs service?
Best to find some local, licensed plumber or electrician who is familiar with these systems. At least they would be a little more educated than a salesman.
My approach is keep it simple, don't give a customer more than what they need, keep materials close to cost, work fast to reduce labor cost and price the installation according to the job. I even like to get the customer involved to teach them how to save energy. They can do the simple or dirty, slow parts of the installation if they wish, such as insulating, to save themselves some cash. The whole idea is to get systems out there for others to see and realize that they work. Then maybe the number of installations will increase and cost will come down.
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6 of 8
July 16, 2008
This is a good article. However few things, if added the system performance may be ensured a bit more. These are the adherence of the components to the international quality standards like the IEC 61215 and IEC 61247 etc. Waranties are specified by the manufacturers but thge contractors are hesitent to explain the procedure to claim these waraties. In my opinion the contractor is always required to be the buffer between the user and the manufacturers. After sale service also needs to be ensured in the beginning and a good supply chain mechanism shall help sustainability.
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7 of 8
July 17, 2008
Thanks for a great article Sue. An educated consumer is the solar industries' best friend right now.

Another important factor, especially for residential consumer's considering the idea of financing their system with a power purchase agreement, is the ownership of the 'green' value of the PV power.

If you don't own your system but buy the power from it you need to understand Renewable Energy Credits (RECs), which are currently defined in a 'voluntary' market in California, but will become increasingly more regulated (and likely worth real $$) as AB32 is implemented.

If you don't own your RECs you aren't using green power. Someone else is paying for the RECs from your system and they are claiming the green value of your PV system.

Please learn about RECs and understand what you might be 'selling' to your provider if you don't own the system. A great source is the Center for Resource Solutions and their Green-E certification program.
http://www.green-e.org/getcert_re.shtml
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8 of 8
July 17, 2008
Just wanted to comment on deposits (and this goes for any contracting work you get done): if a contractor is reputable and has a good history, they will have credit established with their material suppliers (usually 30-45 days). If someone tells you they need a deposit from you to purchase materials up front, that is, to me, a big warning. In other words, suppliers provide materials to contractors without getting paid up front and the contractor usually has 30-45 days to pay. They shouldn't need a deposit from you to pay for those materials up front. On the other hand, a reasonable deposit to ensure a customer is serious and committed can be expected, hence the $1000 (or 10%) normal deposit.
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