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Making solar hot water count: Generating greentags with solar hot water

By Elisa Wood
July 29, 2008   |   7 Comments

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you know what would really help utilities hit the RPS? is if we implemented feed-in tariffs like 40 other countries have, and counted the local, point of use renewables that would result as part of the RPS.

currently, at least in CA, the Foxes (utilities) guarding the Henhouse (residential PV/microwind and conservation programs) write off clean, renewable power generated at point of use, and conservation savings as "losses" instead. why on earth is it set up like this? right. because utilities want to expand their monopolies in a renewable energy and conservation era, rather than shift their business model to a load balancing/storage/delivery and metering service industry. is that ok with us? not me!

we don't need more tiny bandaids like "net metering" and reconsidering other technology to falsely boost RPS and take the pressure off them to include US in the equation. it's time we caught up with the civilized world, rejected Big Energy monopolies, and got paid for doing the right thing by the environment and by society.

if you want a program for solar thermal, it should be a feed-in tariff which then allows the purchaser (utility) to count it towards RPS. we can't keep squeezing and cheating the ratepayers, taxpayers and our open spaces, to preserve utilties' monopolies.

this is a policy matter, and no utility is going to close up shop if it has to adjust its model to fairly include US in the free market when it is mandated by law. i, for one, am horrified that we have to convince them to agree to anything - is this a democracy or not? is SCE a "citizen" whose vote should count for 5 million of mine? we need to reclaim our independence in a renewable energy era - Big Energy has run this country into the ground long enough, and it's past time for us to take it back.

feed in tariffs, point of use renewables, no wilderness destruction. once that is fully developed, we can see where we stand and take any further actions, if warranted.
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July 30, 2008
I believe that solar thermal could be a great factor in energy independence - direct use of it that is. Not to generate electricity, but to avoid having to use it to heat water, heat an establishment, and cool it too (through heat exchangers). Unfortunately, avoidance of use doesn't seem to qualify. If mall parking lots, and industrial building roofs were covered with solar thermal collectors, I think that peak power use (especially here in California) could be substantially reduced. Probably too complex for residences, but fully half the peak power usage here is commercial.
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July 30, 2008
Solar thermal collectors should be placed in racks on the ground. Too many people scrap their thermal system when roof work is required. Additional storage could be located in the ground below the collectors and used for space heating.

Don't forget cold thermal storage for air conditioning.
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August 8, 2008
Elisa, I think you miss the whole idea behind solar hot water. Why do you want to get the big companies involved? Why do you feel you need to get something back? Why do you want credit for heating water?
The whole idea, in my opinion, is to lessen your dependency on the large utilities. If you can produce your own hot water and your own electricity, why do you need the utilities at all. If we follow your example we only make the utilities bigger and stronger. If we keep giving them a percentage of everything we make at a rate cheaper than what they charge others, who will win in the end. (Kind of relates to taxes and government). If we produce more hot water than what we need, what do we do then. Do we sell the surplus back the the hot water gurus? Do we get a bill for producing over and above our demand? Do we get a check from ther gurus?
Solar hot water is on the back burner because the big guys cannot make money off of it. Though once installed, it can save the consumer all kinds of money. Passive heating and cooling is never heard from either. People are slowly catching on and the only way that it will truly catch on is if people are educated, installations happen and cost stay low. If we bring the big guys in on this, prices will soar and only big guys will be able to afford to install systems from which they themselves will profit. I wonder about the companies you mention in your article who want to meter hot water. Whose work are they doing? It's one thing to let the customer know how much hot water they are making, but what will the big guys do with this information. Pretty soon there will be a Sun tax based on your average daily radiation for your land whether you use it or not......
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September 6, 2008
I'm afraid, at least as far as the US is concerned, any reduction in overall energy use through solar, wind, other renewables and conservation will be offset by the existing powers by importing more people. In other words, they are not going to allow reductions in generator capacity factors and overall fossil and nuclear energy consumption growth rates. Along with the building industry and other large corporate interests, they will use their lobbies to push for more immigration which will continue to increase total consumption of fossil and nuclear fuels. By the end of this century, instead of stabliizing our population at 306 million, it will grow according to the US Census Bureau to 575 million. Importing people from around the world to the US increases total world energy use because no one uses more energy than US citizens.
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October 14, 2008
The only way to make this pay would be to build it yourself
www.solarfriend.co.uk

Most of these complicated systems would come with an annual bill for servicing that will be a condition of the warranty
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January 4, 2009
I agree with Thomas,(above). If solar heating works, install it. If you want to play money games, play the markets.
I have SDHW and home heating with CVT's, all done without any subsidy or "reward". Because it works! And now I sell em.
Everyone wants that "super good deal", meanwhile they have nothing renewable. It is sooo simple. SHW pays back, especially coaxial tubes in the cold regions. While your waiting for the deal you can brag about, others are well on their way to payback and profit! Forget the UTe's. They are profiters like the rest of wall street. Do it because it is a good sense idea and it will save you money, but only if you do it and pay the install costs. Your home is boosted in permanent value. How is this not right?
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