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1 of 14
June 10, 2008
This is one of the best-written and most thought provoking articles I've read on this site - thank you!
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2 of 14
why should we settle for net metering? we should be PAID, just like all other power suppliers are paid, for 100% of the power we generate, and we should be paid a substantial premium for "peaker power," which is immensely more expensive to build and generate.

net metering is a total freebie for the utility, and only goes about halfway towards encouraging people to install systems, and has proven many times to DISCOURAGE conservation because of this. And you can forget about people in "prime solar resources" building oversized systems that would feed into the grid because there is NO incentive and many disincentives (in CA, you cannot access rebates unless you build a system that ensures you will still be a net consumer).

THAT is what Germany is doing - generously compensating people in cash - not net metering. we gotta think bigger if we want to beat the clock on all these cheapskate cowards who want to destroy the deserts and further entrench our dependence on Big Energy. NOW is the time to decentralize the grid and allow us to finally enter the energy free markets, so why are we not asking for what is the bare minimum of fairness?

Here's my solution - simultaneously change the calculation of the RPS so that it credits the utilities with 100% of power we generate (since they will be buying it under a normal contract), so they win, too. No capital outlays for utilities, no lengthy permitting/EIS processes, no wilderness destruction, no eminent domain for giant powerlines, more conservation, more rewards for ratepayers who do the right thing (including passive income), and more skilled, local jobs.
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3 of 14
June 11, 2008
The solar industry tried to sell PV to electric utilities in the 1980s as a (not the) solution to pollution and resource depletion, but most utilities said PV was too expensive even though over 70% of ratepayers were willing to pay more for renewable energy. So the PV industry went to the people who voted for net metering and other incentives. Some utilities are getting the message, but most are stuck in the past and depend on their monopoly to maintain status quo.

In 1960, Theodore Levitt wrote about short-sighted utilities in his classic Harvard Business Review essay, "Marketing Myopia" http://www.numotion.nl/download.asp?file=marketingmyopia.pdf "Who says that the utilities have no competition? They may be natural monopolies now, but tomorrow they may be natural deaths. To avoid this prospect, they too will have to develop fuel cells, solar energy and other power sources. To survive, they themselves will have to plot the obsolescence of what now produces their livelihood."
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4 of 14
It's refreshing to see an article based solely on the facts and very easy to follow. Many articles here are very agenda driven. Your piece is not one of them. Thank you Mike for presenting all sides in a very concise manner.

Although the German model is not perfect, it certainly is structured much more favorably to the encouragement of eco-friendly renewable energy generation that does not require relinquishing large sections of valuable ecosystems for utility scale exploitation. Germany's lawmakers made no excuses. Instead they rolled up their sleeves and addressed energy issues by enacting serious results driven policies. It would be nice to see that happen here in the U.S., once and for all.

Jim Harvey
www.protectourlands.com
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5 of 14
June 11, 2008
I agree with Mr. McBride. This article is very balanced in presenting the pros and cons of net metering. Also, very thorough in covering the subject in a short article.
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6 of 14
June 11, 2008
Net metering should become a national priority. We have been told that America will be at war with terrorists for the rest of our lives. Therefore a non centralized source of power will make much more sense. Why can we be told we are going to continue to wage war if we cannot secure our power distribution by making every city a power producer.
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7 of 14
June 12, 2008
These are some web sites that display energy-related documents I have written:

My somewhat obsolete compilation of "Advanced Technologies for Foreign Resort Project" is in http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/advantech.htm and http://www.linux-host.org/energy/advantech.htm.

At the September 14, 2005 public meeting in Green Valley Ranch casino regarding the proposed Regional Fixed Guideway traversing Las Vegas, I submitted a comment suggesting possible power sources for the train which begins on page 19 and ends on page 77 of
http://www.rtcsouthernnevada.com/rfg/documents/September2005PublicMeetingMinutes.pdf .

Underground or Alternative Science Directory is at
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Directories/Vesperman.htm.

The 123-page fourth version of my compilation of 95 energy invention suppression cases is available at the bottom of http://green-salon.com/presentations.htm and also at www.energysuppression.com where a continuously running update of energy invention suppression cases and activities is maintained by Sterling Allan and his friends. The file is also accessible at www.byronwine.com (do Find for Vesperman). Other sites can be found by entering in google Vesperman suppression. Additional energy suppression information is in http://www.commutefaster.com/klooz.html and
http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/03/pogue_hydrogen_stories_of_supp.html.

Some of these inventions are generators which may be practical for standalone small-scaled home or business site use. Some folks think that doing away altogether with power grids offers benefits such as reduced vulnerability to blackouts, restoring unsightly powerline corridors to more beneficial uses, and eliminating harmful dams, dangerous nuclear power plants, and dirty coal-fueled generators.

Gary Vesperman
Chief Operating Officer and Director of Research
Blue Energy Corporation
3133 La Mesa Drive
Henderson, NV 89014-3649
www.blue-energy.us
702-435-7947
garyvesperman@yahoo.com
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8 of 14
June 12, 2008
I am not going to "paint a pretty picture" for you to look at beacause that would not be the truth.
Imagine if in the course of one week, on a global scale, there was a sudden loss of all these energies that are being sold to us even RE.
How many millions of humans would die in that first month afterwards?
Obviously the sickly and elderly would be amoung the first to go.
Then the violence would start, over food, water.
Along the same time, there would be the millions of dead bodies to deal with.
Gangs and lawlessness which would prompt the governments of nations to utilize their military against its own people to remain in power causing more deaths.
How many billions of humans would die in the first year?
Do I really need to describe the events the would happen over the course of that year?


Now you can start to see how flimsy it all is?

Billions of people are being kept alive on a wisp of smoke.
Think about who it is that selling us that wisp of smoke. We even have the choice of a cleaner smoke to choose from. Of course it cost a little more, but hey, it cleaner smoke.
Why are we willingly doing this to ourselves when it is not nesscessary?
I have no pity for the human race. Thousands of years to learn and all we have done is made it worse for ourselves. All in the name of money.
Pity about Earth.
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9 of 14
June 12, 2008
The correct ansewers to all five of these questions can be easily correlated into one word. Unfortunately, its an word that nether the electric utilities industries or the renewable energies industries want to here. Whats more is that both of these industries, dont want customers, or even potential customers, to here this word.
The ansewer is! Irrevalent.
Irrevalent. Because when we look at human history on the planet Earth we see that, for well over 7,000 years mankind didnt just survive without all of these energies we are being sold today, mankind thrived. It has only been within the last 200 years that this has changed. Humans are multipling but we are not flourihing. Instead our actions on this Earth are breaking down a natural order to life and subplanting it with a manmade order, creating a cascading effect that will ultimatle cause a crash one day.
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10 of 14
June 12, 2008
Power companies should make net-metering a none issue by providing solar installations to pre-qualified businesses and home owners. This way they could meet REC(Renewable Energy Credits) customer demand in a distributed fashion. This would also help meet RPS(Renewable Portfolio Standards) goals for their particular state. They could sell the electricity produced to the customer. The customer would not have the capital outlay for the equipment and maintenence. Also, the customer hosting the equipment would not be charged peak load rates, just a flat rate at all times. I think this or something similar could work. What do you think?
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11 of 14
June 13, 2008
The reluctance of power companies to support much net metering means that it is imperative to be able to sidestep them and use systems that do not feed-in to the grid. Distributed RE systems can be attached to the grid for use as backup without requiring any permission from the utility. All that is required is UL approved appliances which everything is these days.

These systems cost less than the price of a used car per/person but last 20-40 years, properly installed. As utility energy prices go up, RE systems will remain constant. This is the best investment of the 21rst century.

http://lightontheearth.blogspot.com/
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12 of 14
June 14, 2008
Daniel Clemons' comment (#7) brings in two related issues that need to be considered viz. net metering: RECs and installation subsidies. Certainly, whether the utility subsidizes the PV installation has some influence on price paid to the homeowner or business by the utility. Whether a REC is generated and who benefits from it are also issues.

If the homeowner paid 100% of the cost of the PV installation, the homeowner should be compensated based on real-time prices for peak power, less any discount based on dispatchibility. The homeowner should also be entitled to RECs based on the displacement of electricity via fossil fuel based on their historical electrical use. If the utility subsidized the PV installation, then the utility should be compensated in some way for their investment. A lower net-metering rate is one way, or perhaps the rate could remain commensurate with real-time peak rates, but the utility captures the RECs for their own use or for sale.

I'm particularly interested in the REC because it's not clear to me that RECs come into consideration in such programs. Perhaps the administrative costs associated with RECs are too high for the amount that a homeowner would generate typically?
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13 of 14
June 16, 2008
Isn't the reason for installing a RE system to reduce your dependance on the utility companies? It still makes me wonder why people are looking to get something back from the big guys. When you purchase anything else, you don't expect anything in return. Do you get or look for a rebate when you fill your home's oil tank or car's gas tank? Do you expect to get reimbursed for all the products you buy? In my opinion, installing RE is a way to get away from the big energy providers. If everyone produced their own power then there would be no need for the big guy. On the other hand if everyone feeds their power they make back to the big guy, he is the one making out and is still in control. It would be like going food shopping and giving away or selling everything you purchased to someone else for a cheaper price, who then in turn sells it back to the supermarket for full price. Then you go hungry.
Don't forget it is them that make the rules. They can give you a dime today and a penny tomorrow or nothing all together. Adding more power to the grid would cause the grid to have to expand to handle the extra load, and at whose cost, the consumers.
Every electical comsumer already pays for this service anyway, just look at the breakdown on your electric bill. So where is all the money going. Check their pockets.
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14 of 14
July 1, 2008
Hey mister Schmidt, you may need a proof reader for spelling but I see your meaning, I think. That's the rub too. Thinking too much. All the things you state may come to pass, but you only have to take a few steps to the left and the whole insane machine goes roaring by. Many have done this already. Just don't buy into it. Make and store your own power as needed and grow your own food as needed and live with those who are genuinely concerned also. Grievances only destroy the self and prevent seeing anything at all as it truly is. This world is an illusion of mind. We made it and conscribed it unto God, a cruel, punishing God at that. Sheer foolishness. God is in your/our mind as is the world we think we see. All solutions that will not work will be tried first. That is ego's guarantee. Then when we give it up and give it over, the solution will appear.
I still see little mention of smaller scale solar thermal for homes and businesses. Everyone wants to be a power company for the world. Home scale thermal systems negate the need for much of our energy needs so that the available electrical resources go much farther.
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