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Trading Sub-prime Carbon

By Mark Braly
May 5, 2008   |   5 Comments

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May 6, 2008
All this fuss on Wall Street for what? Plant food?

How foolish will everyone look when the green house "theory" is disproved. Some say that it has already happened. Organizations around the world, companies and governments alike, are going to invest so much time and effort into this cause only to find out that it is all worthless.

If the economy is not already in shambles now, it certainly will be when this inevitable hoax is revealed.

It would be nice if they withdrew Al Gore's Nobel prize, but in all reality it was a Nobel Prize for Peace, not science. So maybe the IPCC should give back their half. After all their "raison d'etre" is the science of global warming.

Why can't we focus on the real problems of the world, like actual pollution, Mercury for example, or benzene, SO2 to name a few. Can we get people to stop filling our land fills with water bottles by cleaning up our tap water. How about we tackle the high price of fuel and the financial impact it is having on the world's food supply.

Get the oil-soaked ChickenHawks out of the White House, move the subsidies from oil and coal to the renewable sector and let OPEC et al price themselves out of the market.

Rich
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2 of 5
May 7, 2008
As an environmental science instructor at the university level, I am often confronted by students citing questionable sources. The abundance of self-serving reports and "research" seems to know no bounds. I find this article to be a breath of fresh air in more ways than one. Having the government own the credits and then sell them to the highest bidders is not a perfect plan, but it definitely seems much better than all the others proposed. The current problems in the economy are the result of speculation as opposed to investment. Our short sighted need for quick gratification and easy answers will be our undoing
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May 7, 2008
Thanks Rich for your opinion. I concur with it but for your disdain of global warming theory, ofcourse!
I do not have complete knowledge of it, the science behind it, that is. Neither am I an economist. However, if logic is what matters to common thinkers like you and me then do we not agree that unhinged resource utilisation or excess discharges into the atmosphere, water, land etc.. tend to alter the equilibrium in various cycles of nature? And does this imbalance not force corrections driven by the built-in mechanisms?

Lets for a moment not use the term 'global warming'. But then we have evidenced rapid melting of ice caps which would lead to rise in sea levels-which by our existing knowledge of hydrologic cycle, would change the climatic patterns - which may cause alterations in agriculture output - which in turn will affect the livelihood of us earth dwellers - and once that is affected.. your guess, I am sure, will be as good as mine. If it ain't the so called global warming... what the heck is it?? As the critics of the theory like to say that it is but a natural cycle! Whoa... But then AIDS can be deemed a natural cycle as well against burgeoning human population!? So, do we sit back and watch the nature take its own course.

Finally Mr. Rich, just a passing thought I would like to share with you. Isn't it easier to disprove a thoery than it is to prove it! Then why have the global warming theorists come up with a thousand to one evidence, in favour of the theory. In this particular case, it is cheaper to disprove rather than establish providence. Lastly, where does majority of financial interest lie ? At the end of the day, its externalities of environment that are being internalised - additional burden on the economy in plain terms.
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4 of 5
May 8, 2008
My understanding is that the European cap-gap was largely caused by large polluters - anxious about higher energy+carbon prices - reducing their emissions through energy efficiency actions. Those who set the cap (in order to reduce emissions) didn't bet on polluters taking such drastic early action.

And the greenhouse effect? I think the argument is over. The public is sold on it and wants action. Governments might be privately more concerned with energy security and 1st world economic growth by stimulating a new high technology industry (wind, solar) but the greenhouse argument is an easier sell to the public. And, it just might be true.
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May 8, 2008
I have to admit I was defeated by the complexity of the EU cap and trade scheme. Its inherently a scheme for generating corruption!.

1. Setting the cap: While there is scientific input its going to be a ( bribed) politician that picks the number
2. What does the cap cover. Big polluters , middling polluters , my gas, my breath! Plenty of scope for brided exceptions and special cases
3. Allocation : giving them away is a subsidy for energy producers and thus an opportunity for bribery. Auctioning can be manipulated - but at least there are specialists that know how to produce a reasonable result despite gaming

Cane we just remove subsidies and tax climate change gases according to their effects wherever they are produced?
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