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May 21, 2008
Back to the question of how to "help foster the development of renewable energy". Since inertia is in favor of the established energy providers then what incentives will produce the maximum result with the least effort and cost?

Certainly this carbon craze works on two fronts - emotionally and financially. Not bad, but can't those two stimuli work independently? Already the 'security' of RE has stirred the flames of nationalism. RE is touted as an alternative to 'foreign oil' but most RE is in the electric generation arena. In the US very little oil is used in the generation of electricity (Hawaii and Alaska may be different). The progress in transportation fuel is impressive but does not come close to electricity generation. My opinion is, that is because of the cost (due to subsidies) appeals to the financial managers and a little good PR doesn't hurt either.

What if the 'oil giants' were in on the action? What if the RE oils were compatible with the current refining process? When starting a revolution it is better to have partners instead of competitors. On the other hand revolutions are easier to start than discussions, but they produce fewer permanent results. The emotional people have to decide what they want - change, or complete conquest.

One of the problems with electricity is it has to be transported over wire. What if the wire owners were paid a fee for that transport and someone else billed the customer? This was done in Texas (for convenience sake I think the wire owner billed the customer) where one could get electricity from any supplier but it came over the same wire at different rates. The company that owns the wire wants as much electricity as it can handle - economics and conflicts of interest not withstanding, certainly getting to rural customers is still an issue.
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May 21, 2008
This is the last paragraph of the post below. This site needs some serious technical help.

The big question is, how does RE fit? It easily fits in the small scale, but how does it integrate with the existing structure? I fear this question is not being addressed at the proper levels.
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May 21, 2008
For a laugh, check out this website which makes a good point about carbon offsetting - very funny: http://www.cheatneutral.com/

Overall, my point of view is that anything that can successfully help mitigate climate change and our reliance on non-renewable energy sources is very necessary. I am affraid it may be inevitable that we have to take a few steps in the wrong direction in order to get moving.
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May 21, 2008
Thanks for an excellent explanation and update on carbon trading. Here is Davis, CA, some of us are looking into the feasibility of a large PV project which could be certified for carbon reduction so that the offsets could be sold to our very green citizens. Any suggestions about how to go about this?
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May 21, 2008
No pain, no gain. We need to stop trying to find quick fixes based on financial transactions that are hard to calculate, much less verify. In NJ and Pa., promising solar programs dried up due to financing. Had NJ continued with the discounted system purchase costs would have meant that electrical consumers would be paying more for electricity in constant dollars in the future. Most consumers already know they are going to pay more for watts in the future so why was the program rewritten? The distributed generation programs are now throttled so we'll see large utilities now getting into the business with more of the same power plants and more regulated distribution investments. Local generation can help a consumer reduce costs in the long run and reduces the need for more utility investment and each renewable installed cuts carbon. We should stop shuffling papers and brokering financial transactions and simply bite the bullet on higher costs with longer range benefits - consumers would buy-in.
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May 21, 2008
This is the most exhaustive and balanced explanation I have read on this topic - thank you for the effort. I especially agree with the statement "We should keep close watch on the technology that is being developed that would mitigate carbon problems through sequestration and emissions reductions as a potential market competitor.".

Renewable energy sources have advantages far beyond the carbon "issue", which is an issue for only certain people. Creating an artificial market to address a problem that doesn't exist is a 'red herring' designed for the sole purpose of making money.

Renewable energy should be accepted because it provides the 'best' energy solution. In some places hydro power is cheaper than coal, in others wood is more abundant, others have more sunshine than they need. But these new sources of energy have to compete against an established industry and inertia is a powerful force.

Renewable energy sources are usually more under the control of the local government giving that population more of a say in their energy affairs. Locally generated fuel/power isn't as affected by the risks of long distance shipping/transmission, which makes it a little more 'secure' and less sensitive to price fluctuations in other markets. It also provides local jobs.

Renewable energy is limited only by the imagination. Every waste stream has the potential to be converted into a product, but we still have a hard time thinking of our waste as an energy source so it's 'business as usual'.

If renewable energy is to take a permanent hold the benefits have to be understood - not because of some foolishness about carbon dioxide. If the various governments would let fuel/energy costs rise instead of subsidizing them then the alternatives would look much better.
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May 21, 2008
Carbon and pollution credits make no intrinsic sense. A company with sufficient operating capital can continue to generate income while continuing to pollute the nest of it's own neighborhood, with all of the attendant detrimental health consequences (respiratory and cancerous) by paying blood money to a cleaner company that has been successful in making it's processes less damaging to the environment.

Their is a vast difference between continuing to do the wrong thing in refusing to exercise appropriate stewardship, by not operating in an environmentally conscientious manner, and paying it's ill begotten blood money to continue to enable it to continue being irresponsible.
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May 23, 2008
Tom Pritchard, I think you are missing a key point. As long as the number of permits available decrease over time, the permits available to companies that would rather keep polluting and buy permits declines and their value increases. The rising price of the permits increases the incentive and reward for companies that act. Ultimately, the fat dumb and happy companies will no longer be able to buy enough permits and will be forced to take action or cease to exist. In the meantime the permits they have purchased will have helped more proactive companies leap frog them. In a Darwinian sense, permit simply adds to the pressure on companies to evolve or die out. As this article points out, the systems need to be well designed and well administered, but as long as they are, they will work. The proof of concept is that this approach has already been used to (relatively) quickly and cost efficiently reduce acid emissions.
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October 10, 2008
Carbon Emissions & Global Warming Research Funding = Political Tool for Finance and Control. I am no Warming Denier, but to think that the production of a completely natural atmospheric gas that the earth itself produces, not to mention it's people and animals, is actually causing global warming, I think we all need a reality check. The fact is, CO2 levels have always followed the trend of sun cycles, and we are currently reaching a solar maximum. The science behind CO2 Emissions causing Global Warming is junk science, and has now entered the realm of sciences that are accepted purely because "There is Funding For It!".
The accepted paradigm is always the one that is funded!

All the while, the real experts with backbone tout a very different story, and actually follow a hard science model that looks at the big picture, rather than a specialized corner of research which excludes important data to get the results that support their hypothesis. Otherwise, their families will not have food on the table. It is an understandable dilemma, but it doesn't make them right.

http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.com/

Perhaps we can start to remedy this misappropriation of opinion by removing the names of those individuals who never approved their inclusion of support from this list of 2500 top scientists.

If the amount of money spent on global warming research since 1990 is approx. 50 Billion as some figures have suggested, then I would say that an awful lot of scientists looking for good jobs would find one way or another to make their science fit, even if they had to narrow their "Scientific Perspective".

No question we need to clean up the planet. No question we are destroying the beauty. No question it is affecting our health and happiness. But to create a Tag Word Phrase like Global Warming and use it to politically beat your enemies into submission sounds little better than "Terrorist".

Does this posting make me anti-environment?
Gaia Love
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Anonymous
August 19, 2009
The link for the Pew Climate org "spreadsheet" is broken. That document may be found by going to http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/110th%20Congress%20Economy-wide%20Cap&Trade%20Proposals%2001-30-2008%20-%20Chart.pdf

David House, The Complete Biogas Handbook, www.completebiogas.com
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