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China Fuels Ethanol Industry with Yams, Sweet Potatoes and Cassava

By Lou Schwartz, China Strategies
May 16, 2008   |   23 Comments

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1 of 23
May 16, 2008
I agree with Liuzhou Laowai:

Food to fuel just makes no sense,
Except to one whose mind is dense,
Fuel the tank to starve the poor,
Is stupid pounding at our door.

adrianakau2aol.com
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2 of 23
May 16, 2008
So, we grow all these plants so that the rich can drive their cars while the farmers give up growing food because they can make more money from this. And food prices rise and shortages grow.

Great stuff, guys.
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3 of 23
May 17, 2008
Clean Water, Topsoil, Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium
Thats what it all comes down to.
And there isn't enough of it.

Especially in a place like China which has 4x the US's population, but 6x less farmland.
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4 of 23
May 17, 2008
The key word in this article is "wastelands". China is moving from grain-based ethanol for the very reasons cited by the commenters here. But the commenters seem to have skipped over the repeated use of the word "wastelands" in this story. The cassava and other crops are being grown on wastelands, aka brownfields. In other words, this is land on which crops for human food can't be grown anyway.

Sounds like the Chinese are doing what's known as "bioremediation": Using various plant crops -- it doesn't have to be cassava; the Chinese are just using cassava because that's a crop their farmers know how to grow; it could be switchgrass or sunflowers or even fast-growing types of trees -- they are cleaning the brownfields, as the plants harvested will pull toxins from the soil, AND turning the plants into fuel. (Cassava is particularly good at removing heavy-metal toxins from wastewater, by the way: http://www.bioline.org.br/abstract?id=jb03073&lang=en)
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5 of 23
May 17, 2008
Great poem, Adrian! (You might want to consider substituting "hunger" for "stupid" in the last line, however.)

A question for Lou Schwartz (not that I expect him to answer: few commentators on this site do): if China says it forbids any new biofuel production from grains, what is the difference if land suitable for growing grains is diverted to growing a different feedstock? Or are you saying that the land used to grow yams or cassava are not suitable for growing grains?
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6 of 23
May 18, 2008
Wastelands hum if anyone cares to follow the stories coming out of china for environment news you would know that the wasteland size is increasing exponentially due to unregulated waste disposal practices.

River water thats undrinkable, Solar panel companies dumping their waste on the roadside that no human can touch, and government corruption running rampant and unabated. Sound familiar? It is the same thing we do to our land!
No politician will stand for us to clean up our land and stand up against greedy polluting corporations, no change will ever come from the democrats, republicans, and corporate greed.

Good luck china your growing pains will harm our land as bad as the US has it's land.

D~W
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7 of 23
May 18, 2008
Thank you Phoenix Woman for the clarification, but do you mean to say that there are 212 million hectares (525 million acres) in China -- about 50% more than the total area currently cultivated for crops in the United States -- that is "wasteland" in the sense that anything produced on that land would be unfit for human consumption?! Please excuse some of us for being skeptical. And, the last time I looked, cassava was a food (or at least a feed) crop.
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8 of 23
May 20, 2008
The fact that China is using a non-grain ethanol is a little more human than the European and American programs. Those programs are causing the current run up in grain prices and will result in millions of deaths if they continue.

Potatoes/yams are actually under used world wide -- Wasn't there an article about it here a few months ago? They normally don't compete for the same land as grains and can be grown in very poor soils. They don't travel well so price tends to stay at a local level - they haven't had as big a price run up this year.

If China offered too big a subsidy, then potatoes could compete with grain crops for land. That would be the key to making the product humane..
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9 of 23
May 21, 2008
Thanks, Art. But when I (or Russ Finley) blog, we make a habit of checking to see if anybody has responded with questions, and try to answer them. Most of the people who contribute articles on this site seem not to care, or bother. Apres mois, le deluge ...
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10 of 23
May 21, 2008
Well now, I like this thread, so I'm really going to jump in with controversy.

You can eat parts of the hemp plant. The seeds contain omega-3's, today's popular fatty acids because a proper proportion compared to omega-6's can be so good for cardio-vascular systems. You can make clothes out of part, and soap to wash the clothes. You do not need to pamper it or give it fertilizer. The reason we cannot use it to its full potential in the U.S. is that our assorted emperors have no proper brains with which to buy the proper food or clothes. They have plenty of money though.

Then there are sugar cane and sorghum, which grow on the same roots for years. Again, you do not need to feed them. They are efficient with water, especially if you make swales to catch the water, as the Brazilians do. Nice things can even live in the little ponds. The water is clean.

There is reportedly a sugar refinery in Jamaica that has been running since the beginning of the century using bagasse to run itself.

Then, there is mesquite growing in our wastelands, not to mention kudzu which can hide a junkyard in nothing flat. Using this stuff is a total no-brainer, which is why we don't use it--so many of us in power have no brains with which to produce power intelligently.

I'm off to deal with school children who eat really bad food from the school cafeteria. It is stressful earning a buck undercover while being appalled we still feed children such stuff.
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11 of 23
May 21, 2008
And there's the rub! Water is the defining element in the biofuel equation, and there's a shortage of it - in China too. To grow our share of corn-based ethanol in California would require 8 million acre-feet of water per year, and the delta is dying for lack of it already. WE need a breakthrough in ellulosic ethanol technology, using already available cellulose material - especially waste. Food for fuel should not be an option.
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12 of 23
May 21, 2008
Ron,

One of the reasons people don't respond is this site does not notify you if a comment is added to an article you have previously posted to.

Other sites handle this nicely (Ubuntu forums and The Sietch, specifically) by send one email with the notification. If you do not go back to the site (any forum) you don't get any more notifications. Pretty slick - and very handy.
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13 of 23
May 21, 2008
"...with the exception of military, state and special ethanol reserves, Guangxi stopped supplying ethanol for vehicles because the rapid increase in the cost of the feedstock has made the project unprofitable.... "

A mother does not have the option to "stop supplying" her children when the price of yams and cassava go ballistic thanks to competition with biofuels. Funny how the price of biofuels always go up with greater production instead of down. That's because you immediately run out of land and start competing for food.

Wasteland can be made to produce food if you pour enough water and fertilizer into it. It is called wasteland because it costs too much to grow food there. The entire American semi-desert could grow yams if we watered and fertilized it hard enough.
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14 of 23
May 21, 2008
Population control is the only answer to the problems we have today..
We need a replacement factor fo 1 chid per marriage only. we need it world wide. YES even in the USA. IT won't happen unless food become scarce.
That is happening now. However the situation is at critical levels already.
factors such as lack of medical attention, flu, virus and natural disasters will also control human animals. YES animals folks! your not any better than the chimp and have no greater value than a fire ant. You as a human caused the problems we face today. OWN IT!

Humans need to be realist about who they are and their purpose for being.
However that is lost because human nature is self cenetered and base on old survial instincts. We are doomed in this century to a BIG set back in our evolution. And all the oil, wind and solar energy can't stop the BUBBLE that is going to Burst. We are out of control as a species and we are destroying the very planet that supports us. Hello! Th e future is already set in stone. WE laid the foundation for our destruction 1000's of years ago . IT was called civilization..social enginnering does not work.
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15 of 23
May 21, 2008
There is nothing wrong with food to biofuels so long as everyone in China, or whatever country, has food available. Farmers should grow whatever is most profitable, unless people are suffering from malnutriition. Obesity is the main problem in most of the world. Hunger is almost invariably the fault of corrupt governments not looking out for overpopulated areas in the midst of warfare or natural disaster, such as in Mynamar.

Population control is the best way to defeat malnutrition. Otherwise there is never enough food, and the land is destroyed. Without the land there is no future. The same people who tell farmers not to grow biofuels, are the ones who do not want to create more farmland. I am in favor of growing cellulosic crops on poor land, and leaving the best land for food, cellulosic technology is rapidly maturing. In the meantime we need an agricultural base to pave the way. We have millions of acres of wasteland in ,the USA, that is suitable for growing switchgrass, mixed grasses, willow, hybrid poplar, hemp, kudzu, salt water reeds etc.
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16 of 23
May 21, 2008
The world needs foods, obviously. Food, not bio-fuels, or nuclear power, to keep running all our stupid cars around.
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17 of 23
May 22, 2008
El Mexicano:

Let me tell you about another excellent crop for ethanol production taht could (should) be used in China, US, India, Africa... the Agave (the semidewsert plant used to produce Tequila liquor).

On an annual basis, one acre of Agave can produce up to 2,300 gallons of distilled ethanol and 44 tonnes of green biomass, or 8.8 tonnes of lignocellulosic dry fibre. NOTHING on Earth has that tremendous productivity!

These yields were obtained with agave plants with NO watering (not a single drop) and NO biochemicals, the production is ORGANIC.

The feedstock cost to produce one gallon of distilled ethanol is US$0.53

Amazing, isn't it?

agaveproject2@gmail.com
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18 of 23
thus we step into the future....HUNGER!!! it's ironic how china leads the way, considering the number of their population. i belive we should focus on the fact that 70% of worlds population is starving before burning food. which , by the way,, if grown in certain terains emits more co2 than oil.
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19 of 23
May 23, 2008
I can't understand all the anti Ethanol comments.

I guess growing up on a farm you have a broader understanding of things like the Commodities. When you buy a product the raw material cost is the smallest protion of the price.

Today you went and bought a beautiful Oak Dining Room table for a $1,000.00 you would never think theres is a $1,000.00 worth of wood in the product. Why then would anyone think when you buy a box of Corn Flakes for $4.50 like I do. Principle ingredient corn, has anything to do with that $4.50 price. Currently there is around 6 cents worth of corn in that box. If the price of corn doubled, your paying $4.56 an extremely small percentage of somthing that is dried up corn in a box.

Biofuels are the only future for transportation. Its certainly not electric cars, hybrids, Fuel Cells, or Solar. If we go that route we will all be riding bikes in the future when oil runs out.

Cars can run entirely on ethanol. A product like Sweet Potato holds great promise for Ethanol, its completely energy independent, completely fossil fuel free. Which is a valid complaint for Grain Ethanol Plants since they currently use natural gas. This technology can be applied to many other plants.

The biggest missconsumption of Ethanol is that it is using food for fuel. A Sweet Potato Ethanaol Plant would only be using the 50 percent that is wasted in the crop since they are not fit for consumption. Corn for example in an Ethanol Plant is feed corn that would never be used for human consumption. The left over product which is corn meal is used for feed, leaving little waisted.

In time technology will improve using the whole stock of plant as well. It is good to look at other technologies, but Biol Fuel is the only option that is proven as a replacement for oil.
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20 of 23
May 25, 2008
Well, Byron, like you I too grew up on a farm (in rural Maine), so I guess that gives me also "a broad understanding of things like the commodities." I think a grounding in economics helps more, however.

Ethanol advocates like to refer to the price of corn in the price of Corn Flakes. Very convenient, that: corn flakes are a highly processed, highly packaged, and highly fragile (nobody wants to open a box of corn dust, so careful transport is required) product, all of which adds considerably to the final cost. People in developing countries, especially the poorest among them, do not eat corn flakes, however. They eat corn meal, or corn flour, the commodity-price content of which is not a few percentage points, but more than 50%.

You write, "Biofuels are the only future for transportation. Its certainly not electric cars, hybrids, fuel cells, or solar. If we go that route we will all be riding bikes in the future when oil runs out."

So, you've decided that, eh? What happened to technological choices being decided through competition in the market? And as for bicycles, people -- including Americans -- are already voting with their feet. Bicycle sales are surging. Bicycles may not be able to haul a family of four with all of their gear from Omaha to the coast, but they work fine for many people for commuting to work or accomplishing short errands.

Please cite a reference for your claim that making ethanol from sweet potato is completely fossil fuel free. Even to produce sugar cane in Brazil, the ethanol feedstock with the best energy output to energy input ratio, the farm machinery is typically run on petroleum diesel.

Finally, I'm sorry for you that your life has been so sheltered that you have never eaten a sweet potato (which I surmise because you say "they are not fit for consumption"). Sweet potato is the 6th principal world food crop:

http://www.foodreference.com/html/fsweetpotatoes.html
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21 of 23
October 26, 2008
---------"So, you've decided that, eh? What happened to technological choices being decided through competition in the market? "----------
Because it took 100 years from Model T(introduced 100 years ago this year--incidentally, the Model T was originally designed to run on ethanol)--to get where we are today. Try to introduce any other technology, it will be starting all over again from the ground up. It would take another 100 years to replace the current system. There is no system out there that offers the all the advantages of the current system in one package----and biofuels are the ONLY technology that can be used in the current system with full compatibility. It isn't a matter of electric or hydrogen powered vehicles are suddenly going to show up under the Christmas tree---you still need to produce the fuel to power them, store and distrbute it, and have it availble everywhere where ever and when ever anyone needs it. And even IF you have all that---how do you get 240 million car owners to junk their perfectly good cars and go out and buy new, unproven and EXPENSIVE vehicles overnight. Not only do very few people have the $$$ for that---believe it or not---Americans LOVE their cars. They LOVE their General Lee's and Ram Chargers and Corvette's, TransAms, and Mustang Boss 302's. Even IF you had the most PERFECT hydrogen or electric car in the world-----relatively few people would buy it. People WANT their Iron Horse---with the oversize tiger paw tires, a scoop on the hood that looks like a Great White about to gulp an unsuspecting tuna, sitting at the red light rumbling and revving like staying still is the most unnatural state in the universe. In the last analysis----selling cars isn't about getting from point A to point B, it is about how much adrenaline you get pumping between point A and point B.

Byron is right. Rickshawmobiles will never replace the Gen. Lee, it's all about human adrenaline.
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22 of 23
October 26, 2008
------"Please cite a reference for your claim that making ethanol from sweet potato is completely fossil fuel free."-------

The last time I checked, water buffalo would not eat either coal or petroleum.

As for arguements that making biofuels produces more greenhouse CO2 ----don't use petroleum to produce biofuels, use biofuels. No fossil fuels = no greenhouse CO2.

Problem solved.
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23 of 23
October 30, 2008
There is no "overpopulation". What IS over population? People are not commodities. There is NO shortage of resources to feed every person in the world. There is NO shortage of land. There is NO shortage of water. There is no shortage of natural resources.

All of the problems of the world are caused by human greed, avarice, lust, laziness, gluttonous consumption.

There is MORE than plenty in this world for everyone. We can use all we want and need----but we have to PROTECT and REPLACE what we use.

I don't care WHAT technology you use, unless people learn to love and take care of each other, no matter who or where they are, and we learn to use and renew our natural resources in harmony with the natural cycles of the earth------we will always continue to have problems that will only get worse and worse.

The apocolypse is real. And it is man who is creating it.
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