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The Solar and Clean Energy Act Engenders Much Debate

By Tam Hunt
April 9, 2008   |   7 Comments

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1 of 7
April 11, 2008
I do believe that large centralized solar installations are necessary to achieve the amount of clean energy production our country needs. However, The Author, "Stop Killing the Wilderness" has a point that it appears the Solar and Clean Energy Act is heavily focused on large centralized installations instead of utilitzing the massive amount of existing rooftops and parking lots that are already near electrical service and do not disturbe new land. In addition, strong support for commercial rooftop systems will spread the financial gain across more investors and business owners instead of a few powerful groups.

How much per kWh will the feed-in tariff (AB 1807) provide for commercial decentralized solar systems like the projects installed on Costco's?

Imagine the benefit for our electricity grid if shopping centers (without significant trees) throughout California had covered parking with solar panels offsetting electricity usage. It would be a shame if legislation lost sight of that huge opportunity for producing energy with space that currently only holds parked cars.
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Feel free to look at the 150 applications pending if you think these folks are interested in "responsible development of key areas." They average 10,000 acres apiece. ACECs, the only flat-topped buttes in CA, critical migration pathways, watersheds, you name it - they are all on the chopping block just to make Utility Companies greater profits and make sure that none of us are allowed to become quasi-independent.

Then do the math for 50% of CA's 2025 energy needs (include the electric car, but no conservation, since that is not part of this BS initiative), multiply it times the land mass (and groundwater) required for these disasters, and you will be hard-pressed to find a square inch of our deserts which is not obliterated - fragile, gorgeous, vital or otherwise. And please show me the text of the Initiative which prevents desert wilderness from being destroyed - the entire thing TARGETS our deserts for permanent, widespread destruction! Nary a rooftop in sight, eh?

Face it - aside from wilderness losses, your initiative earmarks a fund to force thousands of people from their homes to accommodate this "responsible development," but NO funds to put any decentralized, local generation on those homes, which could easily all be net energy exporters. All the "rooftop PV won't be enough" people are looking at PV hobbled by 500 restrictions and no incentives, instead of what is POSSIBLE with decentralized local generation, conservation and improved storage. Of course there's been no progress in conservation or individual systems when the UTILITIES are in charge of the programs!! Foxes? Here's the henhouse - have at it.

You may think this Act is utopian, but until every structure has it's own system, you have NO right to destroy more of our planet to improve Big Energy's bottom line. This embodies the worst elements of Stalinism (socializing the costs) and Mercenary Capitalism (privatizing the profits). You need to rethink this, seriously
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April 11, 2008
We are fully supportive of decentralized renewables and a robust feed-in tariff (AB 1807 is pending in CA, which would provide a feed-in tariff for projects up to 20 MW). However, decentralized renewables like solar simply can't compete with wind, large solar, geothermal and small hydro, all of which can compete in many situations with fossil fuel generation today. Solar PV on homes is two to three times more expensive currently, and that's with heavy subsidies. Things may change dramatically over the next few years if the rumors about large PV cost cuts do come true.

When we add the benefits of energy storage from large solar plants, it becomes quite clear that we need large solar to be a big part of the solution. This doesn't mean destroying desert wilderness areas. This means responsible development of key areas.
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This Act is a Desert Death Warrant. Why on earth couldn't he use all those billions to encourage renewable energy that HELPS the planet instead of destroying millions of acres of wilderness?

I'm for increasing the RPS, but with the electric car coming online, most tech and regulation should be steered towards CONSERVATION, and the RPS should include 100% of power generated by residential and commercial wind & solar, not just wasteful, destructive utility-scale projects in our wilderness. Throw in a few incentives like "peaker" rates paid to these small generators for 100% of power and low-cost capital (basically give US the incentives utilities get), and we will quickly see ratepayer-owned and utility-owned DECENTRALIZED, local, harmless renewable power springing up everywhere.

What will these idiots do when they run out of desert wilderness to dynamite, bulldoze and pave over with inefficient, water-sucking habitat-killing power plants? What will you do when they take your house for one of the thousands of new powerlines RETI is plotting to weave across the entire state? When they deny us incentives for energy independence, the moment passes, then they JACK UP rates (see oil from $25 to $115 in one administration)?


NOW is the time to get the systems on every structure, brownfield, marginal agricultural and industrial site, and to get serious about conservation, not to destroy perfect, vital and thriving ecosystems (on taxpayer land!). Let's make the renewable paradigm work for people and the planet instead of agains them. NO on Solar and Clean Energy Act of 2008. YES on conservation, revising RPS and buybacks, and ratepayer quasi-independence!
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April 12, 2008
Large scale solar thermal power plants are a concern given the large land areas required. As an employee at the California Energy Commission, I encourage all to participate in the siting of these facilities. Currently there are at least three solar projects under review with the CEC. These projects all are planned for the southern CAL desert and take up to 2000 acres. It is true that the solar potential of the CA desert can generate significant power but there will be environmental cost. It is important we receive public feed back as we move through the process. Our website provides info on how to comment and listen in on any hearings. Regarding some of the comments above. There is certainly great value in using the millions of square meters of roof top space to install PV. I would like to see the state shave off peak demand with roof top PV to reduce the need for peaking plants.
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April 14, 2008
Continued... We also have aggressive initiatives for energy efficiency. During 2006-2008, the PUC authorized the utilities to collect $2 billion from ratepayers and reinvest this into efficiency. The utiliites make a lot of money off this (too much, in my view), so they are very keen to make these programs work. I'm involved at the PUC in these proceedings and am urging the PUC to adopt even more aggressive EE goals through 2020 in order to capture all the economic potential of EE to avoid building new power plants needlessly.
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April 14, 2008
Hi Ryan, good to see you still have time to keep up on happenings here at REW.com! Re AB 1807, the good news from a solar support point of view is that the bill currently requires the PUC to set the feed-in tariff rate by considering the cost of the technology, plus a reasonable profit. The rate will decline over time to spur further innovation and not simply provide a windfall profit. As you know, I'm a big fan of PV and I'm really pleased to see the phenomenal growth rate in CA and the rest of the world. But we also have to acknowledge that PV (particuarly on homes), is still pretty expensive. Business systems can make LOT of sense, particularly with the rebate and tax credits - but with our public policy hats on, we also have to acknowledge that subsidies are quite high for solar PV (far higher than for other renewable and also higher than nuclear and fossil fuel subsidies on a per GWh basis). So the question is: what is the right balance between subsidies for solar PV and decentralized energy systems - with the hope that they will become self-sustaining eventually - and promoting technologies that are either cost-effective today or on the brink of cost-effectiveness? We also must consider the fact that making solar PV dispatchable (in other words, capable of producing power any time it's needed), expensive battery systems are required, further adding to the cost. Large-scale concentrating solar power plants can be made dispatchable probably at much less cost. And some companies, such as Solar Reserve, claim that adding molten salt thermal storage to their power tower systems will actually be a net economic winner b/c they can then sell more peak power at higher rates.

Last, initiatives like the Solar and Clean Energy Act are not meant to be all things to all people. California already has aggressive initiatives to promote decentralized solar - the California Solar Initiative already provides $3 billion in incentives for small solar.
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