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Common Sense on Biofuels

By Patrick Mazza
April 7, 2008   |   31 Comments

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1 of 31
April 9, 2008
1. Municipal solid waste is on the table and will be used in one of the demonstration cellulosic ethanol plants mentioned in the article.
2. Geothermal has great potential, but I am skeptical there is any one silver bullet.
3. There are many potential sources of biomass for fuels that are not competitive with food markets - couldn't mention them all here.
4. Food reserves are being depleted by drought and increased meat and dairy demand as much as anything. The U.S. is actually exporting more corn now. We need to prioritize assistance to developing nations to rebuild farm sectors devastated by subsidized commodity exports from the U.S. and E.U. New crops such as jatropha grown on degraded lands will also help improve economics for developing nations farmes.
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2 of 31
April 9, 2008
My concern about biofuels is not carbon, it's death to perhaps 200 million humans by starvation caused by diversion of food crops to fuel. That's why develpments in cellulosic ethanol and algae-based biodiesel are so critical. Food reserves have been depleted to the point where there is only a 6-week reserve left, and we're between harvests. Competition between food and fuel must stop! There have already been riots in Mexico, Egypt, and now Haiti - and they're only the beginning. Rising food costs may only be an inconvenience to us, but they are a mattere of life and death to the world's poor.
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3 of 31
April 9, 2008
I continue to be surprised not to see reference to David Blume's work in articles like this. Kudzu from the South and mesquite coppice from the SW are tremendous sources for the production of ethyl separate from corn. Making it from corn is silly and disruptive beyond belief. In parts of the country we could grow sorghum, which grows on the same roots year after year, similar to sugar cane, pesticides not required, nor tilling.

We grow such a silly amount of corn because of political corruption. It is hard to hope that we will get a less corrupt government in November, but I'm going to pray and hope in that direction anyway.
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4 of 31
April 9, 2008
In my opinion there is no common sense to biofuels. We should only consider it for use to power farm machinery, not for American or world transportation needs. And even using it for farming can be eliminated by changing to electic power farm machinery.

Geothermal is under our feet, with an endless supply of heat to power electric stations throughout the world. This means no pollution, zero greenhouse gases, the extermination of nuclear power, and a new concept to world transportation. Cars, trucks, buses, bikes can be powered and run on a maglev highway. They make maglev trains, and that idea can create a new means for personal transportation. The trains have special tracks to support a long train and its' construction does cost money, but I think a highway would not need that much structural design...given that levitation does not need to lift cars and vehicles off the road but merely having the wheels on the road without as much weight. With the use of "Goethermal" I call it.. powering our roads, our vehicles will acquire fuel/energy power as they drive along, instead of expending it. WIth no pollution and the Goethermal Plants assuring no loss of heat to the earths core....the entire ultimate energy and transportation ideals would be realized. Jobs would be created, the saving of oil resources would commence, and Global warming and pollution would be reduced and ultimately eliminated. Food prices would not rise, and farmers could get back to growing food, instead of crops for fuel, which uses up a lot of valuable water. We just need to get past the Bush nightmare, abolish war, and start putting our resources and mental energy into this massive N. American Continent Goethermal Development Solution. The Energy Plan and mission is identified, now to go about doing it..
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5 of 31
April 9, 2008
Why not make Biofuels (Ethanol) from Municipal Waste?
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6 of 31
April 10, 2008
Hopefully, I can provide at least some good news that there really are agriculture and engineering interests in the U.S. trying to walk the talk on: (A.) concerns with food versus energy competition; (B.) the carbon footprint of renewable energy (especially ethanol).

Here in Florida we are developing energy crops (sorghum, fast growing trees, switchgrass) on mined marginal lands. Through work performed with Oak Ridge National Lab (ORNL) and the University of Florida, soil organic carbon has been increased by 200% in just 2.5 years on these marginal lands.

Potential uses of these crops include ethanol production, industrial gasification for product drying (displacing natural gas use), and electric utility biomass co-firing (displacing coal use).

To learn more, go to:

http://www.treepower.org/slideshow/sequestration.html

http://www.treepower.org/globalwarming/oakridge.pdf

http://www.treepower.org/soils/soilorganicmatter.html
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7 of 31
April 10, 2008
Sure cellulosic is at an early demonstration phase. The point is to put sufficient research, development and deployment effort into it to bring it to the commercial market. That is the goal of the demonstration plants effort mentioned in the article, and a related effort for small scale plants. If it proves infeasible there are safety valve provisions in the new federal renewable fuel standard, which mandates 50-60 percent greenhouse gas reductions for advanced biofuels, including indirect land use effects in the studies you cite. And the studies are subject to criticism. For instance the Crutzen N2O study is charged with overestimating emissions- http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/7/11191/2007/acpd-7-11191-2007.pdf -while the Searchinger indirect land use study is based on a scenario for 30 billion gallons of corn ethanol annually, six times what the US makes now and twice the mandate in the federal fuel standard. See part one of my series linked to the above for the critiques of Searchinger. You will find in that piece that Searchinger himself, as well as the Fargione study, point to sustainable biofuels pathways including cellulose and perennial grass crops. As critical as you are of biofuels, Russ, I hope you take in a key point of my above article - global oil prices and scarcity are going to drive toward biofuels in any event. China, Brazil, India, etc. will push even if we don't. It is not an either-or, but a matter of directing development toward sustainable biofuels, or we'll get the options you don't want to see. And as I've written earlier, we need a priority on rebuilding developing nations agriculture after crushing it under subsidized commodities from the US and EU. Otherwise poor people will suffer for the range of reasons food prices are going up, which also include drought, increased meat and dairy demand, and higher oil prices.
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8 of 31
April 10, 2008
Today's newsletter from WorldWatch (the organization that wrote the book promoting biofuels) carries an article about the growing food crisis:

"The World Bank Group estimates that 33 countries around the world face potential social unrest because of the acute hike in food and energy prices," Zoellick said. "The realities of demography, changing diets, energy prices and biofuels, and climate changes suggest that high-and volatile-food prices will be with us for years to come."

Note that biofuels are one of the "big five" causes, right along with climate change (global warming). All commercially produced biofuels today have recently been shown to release more greenhouse gases than fossil fuels by multiple, peer reviewed science papers, for multiple reasons:

1) Higher than realized nitrous oxide emissions and or
2) Carbon sink usurpation (the second leading cause of global warming).

Carbon sinks all around the world are going under the plow to plant soybeans, sugarcane, and palm. Try not to vote for candidates supporting biofuel mandates and subsidies (impossible as of this time). Try not to use biofuels in your car that have been made from crops diverted from the human food chain (all of them today but those made from recycled waste)-- also hard to do at this time. For example, in Portland, mandates force gasoline to be 10% ethanol. If you live in Portland, you don't have a choice.
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9 of 31
April 10, 2008
First, cellulosic ethanol has never proven to be commercially or environmentally viable. These fuels are experimental, along with several others. It might become viable some day, but what is the point in arguing for support of subsidies and mandates of today's environmentally devastating biofuels? Arguments suggesting that continued support of today's biofuels will somehow lead to cellulosic fuels have no bearing in reality. It is one of several logical weak links. Research funding is fine, but what we have today is an ecological and humanitarian disaster.

Lester Brown founded Worldwatch (the organization that wrote the book praising biofuels cited). He left it to found the Earth Policy Institute. Ther quote from him appears to have been taken out of context. He was making the argument that crops will be used preferentially for fuel over food because it is more profitable, and poor people, who can spend 70% of income on food will get shafted, as we see today.

Luckily he was not entirely correct. For example, Willy Nelson has sold off most of his shares of the biodiesel company he fronted, which is near bankruptcy. Several ethanol refineries are also running in the red because of high grain prices.

Here's what he said in a recent news article: "... land turned to biofuels in the US alone in the last two years would have fed nearly 250 million people with average grain needs."

Ironic how a lot of people who were not particularly skeptical of the old science that buoyed their support of biofuel mandates in the past are suddenly expressing a lot of skepticism of the science (which is nothing more than a continuation and improvement of previous research) that does not support biofuel mandates now.

In a nutshell, this post is an argument for continued support of subsidies (a dollar a gallon or more in total) and government mandates (that force us to buy back what we subsidized) for today's environmentally devastating biofuels.
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10 of 31
April 10, 2008
1. Rebuilding the soil is exactly what this article is about, how we can do it and still meet our other needs.
2. I think it may be an unfortunate part of our nature to take what we can when we can take it without thinking about the consequences. Today people around the world are trying to achieve the consumer lifestyle America pioneered. Even before history, as humans spread from continent to continent, we left a wave of extinctions behind us. This includes Australia, New Zealand and the Americas. The answers to our situation lay in the future, not the past, though all the great moral traditions of humanity can give us guidance. We also need to design economies that recognize our human limitations and foibles and set up ways to meet our needs doing the least harm possible.
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11 of 31
April 10, 2008
The main problem today is the senseless deforestation and subsequent land clearing for agriculture and lumber. Food production in the form of meat, dairy and produce, coupled with urban sprawl has decimated much of the land that was a natural "carbon capture". Much of the forests and unused farmland in the United States has been sold to developers that produce the 5000 square foot and better McMansions. Not only are these homes built unsustainably, but they also consume massive amounts of energy and lumber. The people who demand these types of homes do not care about wasting energy or their carbon footprint. They are all about conspicuous display of wealth and ostentatious living.
We as a society have forgotten how to live communally and give back to Mother Earth. Everything is done for "profit". I am not against businesses making profit, but when the profit motive outweighs the good of all living things then we have a serious problem. When oil companies make record profits in a time of recession, or when industry continues to pollute because of lobbyists and political favors, something has to be corrected. When aquifers in foreign nations are being pumped dry to produce bottled water because our natural aquifers are being polluted or drying up from overusage and climate change, we need to stop and think. What have we become as a society to let this happen? Everybody can do something to help, but it starts with a change in the collective consciousness and thought process, from Disposable to Sustainable. We need to go back to the teachings of the Native Americans who practiced "Sustainable Living". They never took more from Mother Earth than they needed and they allowed the environment to renew itself naturally. They understood the benefits of Solar Energy and Conservation. It is truly amazing that we need to teach these age old principles. We have become "comfortably numb" to our natural instincts, creating the environmental dilemma we face today.
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12 of 31
April 10, 2008
My concern about biofuels is not carbon but the erosion of top soil. Call it Peak Soil.
The nation that destroys its soil destroys itself." - President Franklin D. Roosevelt
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13 of 31
April 11, 2008
…continuation

…of many, the price of biofuel is going up along with oil.

"…Cane maybe, and that documents my case that other nations will push biofuels even if we don't…."

They won't produce as much of it if they can't get people in Europe or the United States to buy it. Without government forcing consumers to pay for it with taxes, and them forcing them to buy it back regardless of price with blending mandates, the market for it here would disappear overnight. From consumer reports:

"The fuel economy of the Tahoe dropped 27 percent when running on E85 compared with gasoline"

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/new-cars/news/2006/ethanol-10-06/overview/1006_ethanol_ov1_1.htm

"…BTW Searchinger's piece shows a very short carbon payback time for Brazilian cane on grassland…."

I thought Searchinger's study was crap ; ). Cerrado grassland--one of the most biodiverse regions of the world.

"…Commodity support is for crops rather than biofuels…."

Small difference since many of the supports are so biofuels can be made from these crops.

The only way out is to reduce liquid fuel use 75%. There are 3 billion more people on the way in the next half century who must be fed. The extinction event grows more dire everyday. From my perpsective, this liquid biofuel craze defies all common sense.
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14 of 31
April 11, 2008
…continuation

The simple graphic mentioned in my last post is here:

http://gristmill.grist.org/images/admin/crayon2.JPG

"…It is a misnomer to state outright that corn ethanol and biodiesel have been shown to be net greenhouse emitters…."

It is a misnomer to say outright that corn ethanol and biodiesel have been shown "not" to be net greenhouse emitters. Take another look at the graphic above and explain how that corn diverted into gas tanks was replaced in the human food chain if tens of thousands of square miles of carbon sinks were not put under the plow somewhere on the planet to make up for it.

"…Searchinger uses an extreme scenario, in my view…"

The latest science just backs up what common sense has been saying all along. We really are not qualified to question the science. I had to accept the old science, it is your turn to accept the new.

"…And my basic point remains - Biofuels are going to grow one way or another…."

Again, I disagree and will repeat what I said earlier:

Many in Europe are rethinking mandates as we debate. China announced a moratorium on the production of ethanol from corn and other food crops last summer. They can get all the liquid fuel they need by converting their vast coal reserves. That's the real danger.

Coal to liquid technology is mature. It fueled the Nazi war machine, is still used in South Africa and China is investing heavily in it. They don't need biofuels. They would rather eat. Liquid biofuels are a self-defeating spiral. The only way out is to reduce all liquid fuel use four fold. That would be equivalent to reducing consumer gas costs by a factor of four and extending oil supplies out another century or two.

"…Oil at $100, $150 and above a barrel will drive the process. So we better get working to develop the sustainable stuff…"

Some predicted biofuels to become cost competitive well below $100 a barrel. Much to the surprise
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15 of 31
April 11, 2008
…continuation

…"otherwise poor people will suffer for the range of reasons food prices are going up…."

The theory that the poor will pull themselves out of poverty by simply planting biofuel crops to feed cars instead of people, stands in stark contrast to the reality of rising food prices and the abuse of the poor by large agricultural interests seen today. If small landholders can't compete with big ones to grow food today, what is going to change tomorrow that will suddenly let them compete just because they grow biofuel instead of food?

"…My 2002 report quoted the best study available, from National Renewable Energy Laboratory, on biodiesel lifecycle balance. Later studies are not as optimistic but still show net energy balance…."

I made no mention of net energy balances. I was discussing GHG emissions.

"…And we still could grow those crops in the Northwest, except the drought-driven increase in global wheat prices has made it uncompetitive for farmers. This is too bad because the canola rotation with wheat actually builds soil fertility…"

I could not have asked for a better example of why it is a mistake to grow dependent on a fuel that is itself dependent on weather. Major droughts would have the same impact as an oil embargo.

"…Global vegetable oil demand meanwhile has largely knocked out the Southeast Asian biodiesel industry which had Monbiot so worried. It is food demand which is taking out rainforests, as I write …"

A big part of that global vegetable oil demand is for biofuels, as this simple to understand graphic demonstrates (no science needed).



In other words, competition for food, which biofuel proponents claimed would not happen, has made it more profitable to sell the vegetable oil to food processors who have out bid the biofuel refiners, which explains the high price of food. And as I have shown above, it is also biofuel demand taking out rainforests.
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16 of 31
April 11, 2008
Cane maybe, and that documents my case that other nations will push biofuels even if we don't. BTW Searchinger's piece shows a very short carbon payback time for Brazilian cane on grassland. But soy and palm? Again, there is very little actual palm biodiesel production happening because it can't compete with food markets. And soy demand is driven by feed markets. Oil is still primarily a byproduct that finds fuel markets. Fuel is a low-grade market. Food demand is driving this.

Commodity support is for crops rather than biofuels. I would not mind seeing support shifted to other values such as soil carbon, and ultimately WTO cases might force in this direction. I also personally would support a phased in shift in the ethanol blenders credit to cellulosic biofuels that document full lifecycle greenhouse gas reductions.
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17 of 31
April 11, 2008
…continued

…"China, Brazil, India, etc. will push even if we don't. It is not an either-or, but a matter of directing development toward sustainable biofuels, or we'll get the options you don't want to see…."

Your original post also spoke of damage from biofuels as if it were only some far off future potential …"or we'll get the options you don't want to see…" as if tens of thousands of square miles of forests, wetlands, and savannas in Africa, South America, Asia, have not already been burned and sent skyward, plowed under to plant cane, palm, and soy in just the last few years, in very large part from biofuel demand. You insinuate that this destruction "might happen" if we are not careful, when it is already happening and accelerating. I have dozens and dozens of links to articles documenting the destruction of these ecosystems.

If by "push" you mean continue to fund research that seeks ways to produce low carbon energy, then we are not in disagreement. I'm all for research. If by "push" you mean, continue the subsidies and mandates for liquid biofuels, then we are not in agreement.

Many in Europe are rethinking mandates as we debate. China announced a moratorium on the production of ethanol from corn and other food crops last summer. They can get all the liquid fuel they need by converting their vast coal reserves. That's the real danger. Brazil is dying to convert the Amazon and Cerrado into agrofuel monocrops to make biofuel to sell to the US if they could just convince us to drop our trade barriers.


"…And as I've written earlier, we need a priority on rebuilding developing nations agriculture after crushing it under "subsidized commodities" from the US and EU."

I have yet to see you call for an end of the subsidization of biofuel commodities or ethanol tariffs for that matter.
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18 of 31
April 11, 2008
And my basic point remains - Biofuels are going to grow one way or another. Oil at $100, $150 and above a barrel will drive the process. So we better get working to develop the sustainable stuff.
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19 of 31
April 11, 2008
My 2002 report quoted the best study available, from National Renewable Energy Laboratory, on biodiesel lifecycle balance. Later studies are not as optimistic but still show net energy balance. And we still could grow those crops in the Northwest, except the drought-driven increase in global wheat prices has made it uncompetitive for farmers. This is too bad because the canola rotation with wheat actually builds soil fertility.

Global vegetable oil demand meanwhile has largely knocked out the Southeast Asian biodiesel industry which had Monbiot so worried. It is food demand which is taking out rainforests, as I write above.

It is a misnomer to state outright that corn ethanol and biodiesel have been shown to be net greenhouse emitters. Some studies show that this can be the case under certain circumstances, the studies you cite. But the EPA work going on to verify greenhouse gas reductions for the fuel standard actually still shows positive balance, including taking in the indirect land use effects. Searchinger uses an extreme scenario, in my view.

I agree that ultimately, with electrical transportation, using the biomass to feed power plants to charge vehicles will be more efficient.
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20 of 31
April 11, 2008
…continued

…"You will find in that piece that Searchinger himself, as well as the Fargione study, point to sustainable biofuels pathways including cellulose and perennial grass crops."

My interpretation is that, like me, they are hopeful that future technologies will be found that can put an end to the present biofuel debacle that is simultaneously eating biodiversity, humanity's food supply and increasing GHG.

"As critical as you are of biofuels, Russ… "

Patrick, it is the lack of critical thought that has unleashed the biofuel disaster we see today. I may have been one of the first critics, along with Lester Brown and George Monbiot, but we are not alone now. I have links to over half a dozen European government organizations and research groups who, in the last two months, have called for a halt to biofuel mandates.

In a 2002 special report you authored, we are told that biodiesel is 78% carbon neutral and that "feedstock crops that are particularly well adapted to the dry, sunny interior Northwest" could be used to make it. Today, nobody claims it is 78% carbon neutral and 95% of biodiesel sold or refined in Washington State comes from feedstock that originated thousands of miles away.

http://www.harvestcleanenergy.org/documents/Biodiesel_Report.pdf

Common sense is hard to define, but stuffing ten football fields worth of soybean product (I have the calculations) into one's gas tank annually strikes me as the antithesis of it.

In 2004, George Monbiot said, "If biofuels take off, they will cause a global humanitarian disaster."

In 2005 he said, "The biodiesel industry has accidentally invented the world's most carbon-intensive fuel … In reality you are creating a market for the most destructive crop on earth."

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/12/06/worse-than-fossil-fuel/
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2004/11/23/feeding-cars-not-people/

My lot is with Brown, Monbiot, and the Nobel laureate
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April 11, 2008
…continuation:

…that does not mean it won't be feasible when our government finally puts a price on the head of carbon. Who gets the biomass now? Entrepreneurs trying to reduce transport emissions must now compete with government market distortions. Picture a competitor trying to kick his use of cellulose (soccer ball) uphill away from the biofuel net only to find the government has sewn his goal shut.

Source: http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/3/17/12447/1102

The biofuel mandates called for in the 2007 energy act are wate under the bridge. Concerned environmentalists managed to get the safety valve provisions you mention in but the real struggle will be trying to close them.

1) Conventional biofuels (corn ethanol?) must reduce GHG 20 %.

2) Advanced biofuels (soy, canola, palm biodiesel?) must reduce GHG 50 %.

3) Cellulosic biofuels (which don't even exist) must reduce GHG 60 %.

I don't see any moves afoot to close any valves now that both corn ethanol and biodiesel have been shown to be worse than fossil fuels. And if it isn't happening now, it probably won't happen in the future. Call me a pessimist, but I'm having a difficult time envisioning vested interests sitting idle while tens of billions of dollars worth of biofuel refineries (financed by government fiat) go bankrupt if the government tries to make good on its promise per the energy bill provisions. Your arguments in support of those mandates here are just a precursor of what is to come. Corn ethanol is being subsidized into its fourth decade.

"...And the studies are subject to criticism… the Crutzen N2O study is charged with …"

All scientific studies are subject to criticism. That is the very definition of science. Crutzen won a Nobel Prize for his work on ozone.

"...See part one of my series linked to the above for the critiques of Searchinger."

His response to critiques:

http://www.bioenergywiki.net/images/3/31/Searchinger_Response.pdf
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22 of 31
April 11, 2008
I ran out of space above.

I said there was enough acreage to go around now, because we make only a relatively small amount of ethanol with SURPLUS corn after all food demands are met first. SPECULATION on corn demand has risen prices more than anything. There is, and always has been, more than enough corn to go around. Supply is exceeding demand. Just large companies started "hoarding" corn for profit.

In other words, while grocery shelves looked bare, people's pantries were fully stocked... like a rush on water and batteries before a storm.

Ethanol has made a 16 oz box of corn flakes go up 2 cents in price.
And how many pounds of corn can you eat in a week?
Compare that to the fact ethanol has lowered the price of motor fuel by 6 cents a pound.
How many pounds of fuel can you use in a week?

I think if you do the math, this is a net gain to most consumers.

We will soon need to find more sources of feedstock for ethanol. Corn will only take us so far, and we are more than half way as far as we can go already. -John
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April 11, 2008
People, most people in fact, miss the big picture.
100 years ago the earth had 1 billion people.
A century later, and we had 8 billion people.
How do any of you expect the world to stay the same with such growth?

Second, wealth = waste. Don't debate this, because yes it does.
If we were all poor, we would have the bare necessities, you wouldn't have 2 or 3 cars, 2 or 3 TV sets, and you would not be reading this on a computer that used fossil fuel to manufacture, and burns fossil fuel for the electricity you are using to read this. Wealth does = waste. If you don't want to call it waste, try this: wealth = increased consumption... of pretty much everything.

Third, you can have cellulosic ethanol right now. Today. I will get you as much as you want. You just have to pay me $7 per gallon, because I can make it for about $6.50 a gallon. ( I need to make a living.... )

Wait for oil prices to go up and when gas hits $7 a gallon, you will have your cellulosic ethanol on every corner.

It took gas reaching $1.80 and higher for corn ethanol to become viable.
We've been able to make corn ethanol for more than 100 years. It just cost more than gasoline.... until recently. Corn ethanol costs about $1.40 to $1.60 per gallon to make WITHOUT SUBSIDIES of any kind.

It takes 18,000 btu of fossil fuel and 0.4 kWh of electricity to make one gallon of 76,000 btu ethanol in a modern, post year 2000 distillery. I know, because I work for a company that audits ethanol plants.

The year 2009 and future ethanol projects have a new process that requires only 8,000 btu of fossil fuel input and 0.25 kWh of electricity to produce on 76,000 btu gallon of corn, wheat, barley, milo, or sorgum ethanol.

Corn yield per acre has doubled in recent years ( since 1980 ). Thus, we are getting more than ever on the SAME number of acres. The U.S. is not, and I repeat, is NOT currently plowing under any new land for ethanol. There is enough corn acreage to go around now.
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April 11, 2008
"Sure cellulosic is at an early demonstration phase…"

From Robert Rapier:

"I will be the first to say that we really need cellulosic ethanol, or some kind of economical petroleum alternative to work. But there is a disconnect between reality, and the perception in the minds of the public and of our politicians. They think that because we need economic cellulosic ethanol, we will get it…

All the government has to do is to mandate it and throw money at it, and we shall have it. You know, while they are at it, I wish they would mandate [electric cars or] a cure for cancer."

Source: http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2007/09/usda-cellulosic-ethanol-reality-check.html

Jim Hansen is concerned about coal, not so much liquid fuels. I agree. My family reduced transportation oil consumption 80% over the last two years by simply exchanging a Subaru for a Prius and replacing single occupant trips in a Cherokee with an electric hybrid bike that uses the latest in battery technology. We saved money and improved our lifestyles. Reducing electricity and home heating emissions 80% (while saving money and improving our lifestyles) will be much harder to do.

Should we squander that cellulose in our cars (assuming we ever find a way to economically convert cellulose to a liquid fuel)? The following link suggests another use for it, one that is far more efficient and requires no technological breakthroughs:

Source: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/story?id=45188

It might be wiser to directly displace coal with it (burn it instead of coal), rather than waste the energy needed to make it into a liquid and then waste 80% of what is left by burning it in 18% efficient internal combustion engines. There certainly isn't enough biomass to fully displace both coal and oil. There is only enough to replace a small percentage of either. And if it isn't economically feasible today for coal plants to burn cellulose (biomass).
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25 of 31
April 12, 2008
If ethanol and biofuels are said to cause more atmosphere buildup than gasoline burning CO2 problems, isn't it clear Global Warming will reduce production of bio-fuels through lack of water resources? Not only will food prices go higher because of grains used to produce Ethanol, but prices will increase because of drought and the inabilty to grow produce.

Geothermal is the only sensible choice for our energy resource in electricity and transportation needs.
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26 of 31
April 12, 2008
1. National Renewable Energy Lab study was greenhouse gas and energy balance.
2. Yeah, that graphic is simple and simplistic. This is a crop that was in chronic surplus for years, productivity continues to increase, and US corn exports are actually up. I don't say there's no effect on food prices. I just say there's a lot more going on here, and the affluence revolution in Asia sits at the center of it, I believe.
3. China is halting growth in food-based biofuels. They are looking at wood-based biofuels. India is developing jatropha. And you're right, coal-to-liquids is by far the bigger danger. So let's develop sustainable biofuels!
4. Fuel economy can be about the same in vehicles optimized for ethanol, due to ethanol's superior octane.
5. In several years, as you know, there will be lifecycle analyses wit the force of law, those being done for the US renewable fuel standard and the California low carbon fuel standard. We could have a roaring debate on how fully they will account for all the factors. And no doubt there will be a debate. But this is the venue through which these issues will be settled, and not through the blogosphere.
6. Like you, I support a great increase in research, and on all forms of renewable energy and efficiency. I'm sure we both would be happy with a pure battery electric vehicle run on solar PV and wind. I think we'll have more of a mix in fuels over coming years, and so will need some level of liquid.
7. My point in this article, a bit lost in the debate here, is that we need to focus on developing agricultural systems that build soil carbon while generating food, feed, fiber, and, yes, fuel. It may be that more distributed models using local resources, such as depicted in the Charcoal Vision piece linked above, make the most sense. in any event I'll be looking in my research for ag systems that synergistically serve the range of needs.

I'm done on this string.
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27 of 31
April 13, 2008
...continued


"…My point in this article, a bit lost in the debate here, is that we need to focus on developing agricultural systems that build soil carbon while generating food, feed, fiber, and, yes, fuel…."

If that were all your article discussed you wouldn't have gotten a debate from me. Your article also spends a lot of time casting shadows on the latest science and downplaying the impacts of the biofuels being produced today on food and biodiversity. You have been, and as far as I can tell, still are, a proponent of biofuel mandates and subsidies and my goal was to point out why they are and have been such a bad idea.

From your article:

"….The fact that the biofuels boom has brought farmers on board for renewable energy, whatever one might think of the specific biofuels feedstock, is a political development whose significance cannot be underestimated. It is one of the great bipartisan political breakthroughs of the last decade, with impacts at state and federal levels….."

And might I add, impacts all across the planet.
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...continued

"…Fuel economy can be about the same in vehicles optimized for ethanol, due to ethanol's superior octane…."

With flex fuel cars, you have to optimize the engine for one fuel or the other because an engine optimized for ethanol would run inefficiently on gasoline. They are optimized for gasoline for obvious reasons, the main one being that we can't replace more than a fraction of our liquid fuels with biofuels.


"…In several years, as you know, there will be lifecycle analyses wit the force of law, those being done for the US renewable fuel standard and the California low carbon fuel standard. We could have a roaring debate on how fully they will account for all the factors. And no doubt there will be a debate. But this is the venue through which these issues will be settled, and not through the blogosphere…."

I know which side of that debate I'll be on You're suggesting that when high profile players in these debates post long guest essays on blogs, they are wasting their time. America's intelligentsia now reads and writes blogs. It is the place to go for information not found in the lay media, and especially, for debate. Many in the blogosphere were way ahead of the curve on this issue. They undoubtedly had an impact and will continue to do so.

"….I think we'll have more of a mix in fuels over coming years, and so will need some level of liquid…".

True. Humanity will always value liquid sources of energy for all of the useful properties they hold. You can pump them and haul them with you. But the ag lobby and our politicians are not smart enough to know what they will be made from. If average car mpg matched that of a Prius, America could be an oil exporter, or better yet, we would leave it in the ground. It has been estimated that our flex fuel fleet cost America an extra billion gallons of liquid fuel last year.
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...continued

"…and US corn exports are actually up…".

Glad you brought that up also. This article from two days ago says "The United States Department of Agriculture reports that corn export sales, for the week ending April 3, hit a marketing year low."

Source: http://www.brownfieldnetwork.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=391888C9-9BD5-59FE-F2E9B93D5B193D5A

Thanks to massive government distortion of markets with mandates and subsidies, farmers have been preferentially planting corn instead of other crops, like soybeans, and they also are planting on conservation reserve land carbon sinks as well. It might be possible for exports to keep up. But with 70 million more mouths to feed every year, we had better keep exporting (US Population=300 million). Brazil is planting soybeans to make up for what we don't plant and they are planting it where carbon sinks were.

U.S. corn subsidies drive Amazon destruction:
http://news.mongabay.com/2007/1213-amazon_corn_sub.html

"….I don't say there's no effect on food prices. I just say there's a lot more going on here, and the affluence revolution in Asia sits at the center of it, I believe…"

If so, then biofuels are pouring gas on a fire. You have downplayed the effects, not denied them.

"….China is halting growth in food-based biofuels. They are looking at wood-based biofuels. India is developing jatropha. And you're right, coal-to-liquids is by far the bigger danger. So let's develop sustainable biofuels!…."

This isn't a debate about whether of not we should be searching hard for ways to reduce GHG emissions. It is about support of government subsidies and mandates of the industrial agrofuels that are eating the planet. There are people wanting subsidization of hydrogen, and nuclear, and everything else. Finding ways to use 75% less liquid fuel should be the main goal. If our cars averaged 100 mpg, even coal to liquid would emit far less GHG than what we see today!
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April 13, 2008
…continued…

I hear you. This is a painful format for a debate.

"….National Renewable Energy Lab study was greenhouse gas and energy balance…."

My point again: the science available in 2002 when you authored that special report was telling the world that soy based biodiesel was 78% carbon neutral. Several studies since then have shown otherwise. You didn't question that science. Why the skepticism of the latest science?


"…This is a crop that was in chronic surplus for years…"

That was then, this is now. Past surpluses have no bearing on today's food prices. From an online dictionary:

Crop failure: The failure of crops to produce a marketable surplus.

Industrial agriculture interests bandy that word "surplus" around as if it were an inherently bad thing. All farmers everywhere strive to create a surplus. Surplus is the goal but it is also a matter of degree: not enough surplus and you get what we see today, too much surplus and prices drop, profit margins shrink. Low prices are good for consumers, especially for poor consumers. American farmers are doing quite well, but only because their fellow Americans are being forced via mandates and subsidies to funnel their hard earned tax dollars to them. That isn't sustainable.

"…productivity continues to increase…"

Glad you brought productivity up. American farmers squeeze more grain out of an acre of land than just about any other farmer. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico is testament to that. Assuming farmers in impoverished countries creating arable land out of carbon sinks may be half as productive as their American counter parts, it would take 70,000 square miles to make up for the 35,000 square miles of American cropland that went into our gas tanks.
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April 13, 2008
Well, I'll get back to this thread, however here's for starters.

Searchinger's response to Wang, etc:
http://www.bioenergywiki.net/images/3/31/Searchinger_Response.pdf
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