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Technology Advancements Allow Batteries To Store More Wind Energy

By Jane Burgermeister
March 4, 2008   |   18 Comments

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Battery storage could be especially useful when wind power feeds into a grid that belongs to a so-called "island" such as in the UK and Ireland, but also in Spain on the Iberian Peninsula— in effect an electrical island with limited interconnections with France in the north and Morocco in North Africa.
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1 of 18
March 4, 2008
<p>Actually, the techonology of adding a back-up battery to the wind power plant has been talked in some research papers to ensure the reliability of the interconnection of wind plant to grid. However, this is the first practise in reality. However, I still feel doubt about it's feasibility in a wide sense, since to store the energy into a battery is quite expensive, especially when you require the storage of the battery to be big enough. I believe the innovation in battery is the key to solve such problems.</p>
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2 of 18
March 5, 2008
I feel its dishonest to just quote the MW number for a battery as its essentially meaningless unless there is a time frame along with that number.&nbsp; For example, Altairnano announced that they produced a 2MW battery for The AES Corp for use in windfarm load leveling.&nbsp; During a presentation one of the Altair execs kept calling it a 2MW-600kWhr battery.&nbsp; I guess that means the battery holds 600kWhr of energy when fully charged but can handle a charge-discharge rate of 2MW?? for some undetermined time??
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3 of 18
March 5, 2008
Balancing a network is required in most cases, but not all. Solar-generated peak power for instance, requires no storage, since peak power needs (at least out here in California) track one-to-one with solar insolation. Our peak power load is primarily for air-conditioning, which is needed when the sun is shining the brightest - hence no storage needed. However, for residential power, battery storage (for nightime use) will certainly be required - and that market dwarfs all others. When&nbsp;locally-generated solar power can compete directly with the grid, watch out!&nbsp;
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4 of 18
March 5, 2008
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>This article is about a VRB BATTERY!&nbsp; I think the author does a disservice by not eplaining the implicaitons. &nbsp;&nbsp; The charged electrolite is held in external tanks, so the capacity is theoretically infinite, just get more tanks.</p><p>That is why the power output as opposed to capacity is mentioned.&nbsp;</p><p>I was hoping this article would talk about the advantages/disadvantages of the VRB versus more typical batteries, but that didn't happen. </p>
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5 of 18
March 5, 2008
Thomas, While your description of the storage capacity of a battery is correct, John is quite right in what he says.&nbsp; There is no time period mentioned.&nbsp; Is it 2MW for one hour or is it the C/10 rate? Or what? A megawatt is a rate of doing work or transferring energy, not an energy value.&nbsp; Joules per second is different than Joules.&nbsp; Likewise the storage capacity may not be the same as the available output from the battery.&nbsp; For instance automotive batteries&nbsp;will not tolerate high depths of discharge. The article was preciously short on technical detail.&nbsp; With a 2MW battery and potential of 32MW from&nbsp;the turbines, one might suggest it is either a pilot scheme or woefully short of output. The battery could be recharged from empty to full charge in minutes - not likely but..... I am now off to the VRB website? to seek more information. Regards, RAB
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6 of 18
March 5, 2008
<p>John, if&nbsp;the battery's amp-hour capacity is multiplied times its voltage the product is equal to the watt-hours of storage capacity. The watt-hours divided by 1000 then yields kilowatt-hours, and if divided by 1,000,000 gives the megawatt-hours of storage capacity. This is important to know when performing energy usage calculations.</p><p>Let's say that I have&nbsp;a fully-charged 200 AH battery&nbsp;operating at a nominal 12 volts. The total amount of energy stored would be (200 x 12) / 1000 or 2.4 kWh (this could also be expressed as 2400 Watt-Hours or&nbsp;.0024 MWh). If I were to connect four&nbsp;12 volt batteries of the same capacity (200 AH) in series the total amount of storage would be (200 x 48) / 1000 or 9.6 kWh.</p>
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7 of 18
March 5, 2008
<p>Why is this battery listed as 2-MW?&nbsp; I thought batteries were listed by stored energy, e.g. 5AH, not by power output.</p><p>Thanks</p><p>John C. Briggs&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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8 of 18
March 5, 2008
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma">Still, energy storage will best be used as a resource for the overall power system.&nbsp; <span style="color: black">It would not be cost effective or efficient to couple energy storage resources exclusively to individual wind plants. </span></span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">So for the future, say, after 2015 or 2020, energy storage may indeed play a much bigger role, once the costs of energy storage are much lower and more reasonable,&nbsp;and it will then play a key, critical role for the nation's electrical grid as a whole, but it is not needed for wind power's continued rapid growth in the near term.&nbsp; For more on the wind integration studies completed to date in the U.S., go to <a href="http://www.uwig.org/" target="_blank"><font color="#800080">www.uwig.org</font></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma"></span>
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9 of 18
March 5, 2008
<p>Many people like to think that energy storage is some kind of &quot;holy grail&quot; for wind power and other variable-output renewable energy resources.&nbsp; But have the Wind Integration studies performed to date in the U.S. indicated a need for wind power to expand to up to 20% of the electricity supply in many parts of the country ?&nbsp;&nbsp; No, while it is natural to think that batteries or other storage systems might be needed to supply steady power, it is not needed to integrate wind energy into electric power systems.</p>
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10 of 18
<p>The feasibility study for the Sorne Hill electricity storage project (March 2006) was completed to identify the size of the system to optimize the economic potential.&nbsp; They looked at a range 1-6 MW with a storage capacity up to 18 MWh and a number of potential revenue streams.&nbsp; It identified the most prmising battery size was 2 MW for 12 MWh.&nbsp;</p><p>The study is availabe on the VRB Power Systems website at: <a href="http://www.vrbpower.com/docs/news/2007/Ireland%20Feasibility%20study%20for%20VRB-ESS%20March%202007.pdf" target="_blank"><font face="Arial" size="2">http://www.vrbpower.com/docs/news/2007/Ireland%20Feasibility%20study%20for%20VRB-ESS%20March%202007.pdf</font></a>) </p>
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11 of 18
March 6, 2008
The usual hopeless confusion about nameplate install of windpower vs actual average hourly output is displayed here.
The 33GW of installed off-shore capacity projected for the UK will give around 10-11GW of average hourly output, at 'only' £66bn!!
Then they want to add vanadium batteries to the cost!
The rest of the article about the implications for base load is worthless, as she has not taken on board the distinction between nameplate and actual generation figures.
These are systems designed to eat subsidies, not to contribute seriously to power output.
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12 of 18
March 6, 2008
<p>My PV system has&nbsp;420ah of battery capacity, but I avoid using more than 20% of that in order to avoid sulfation of the plates.&nbsp; It follows then that this 2MW battery would have a useable capacity of only 400kwh.</p><p>John<br /><a href="http://solarjohn.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://solarjohn.blogspot.com</a></p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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13 of 18
March 6, 2008
<p>Gentlemen,</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your help on the 2MW battery.&nbsp; So I guess we have determined that this 2MW is peak power output for an unknown time period.&nbsp; I was hoping the author, Jane, would weigh-in, but I guess she is off getting the next story together.</p><p>Thanks</p><p>John C. Briggs&nbsp;</p>
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14 of 18
March 6, 2008
<p>Jeffrey,</p><p>Although many papers show that there is no need of additional infrastructure upgrades for the currend grid in order to handle up to 20% reneweable energy penetration the perception of the renewables is that it is &quot;unreliable&quot; wich of cource is not a problem in the currend grid architecture.</p><p>&nbsp;Thechnologies&nbsp;like&nbsp;this&nbsp;wich&nbsp;assure&nbsp;the&nbsp;&nbsp;wind becomes &quot;more reliable&quot; are infact a very good positive PR.</p>
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15 of 18
March 8, 2008
<p>I have to agree that a bit more detail and clarity would be welcome - given that many readers and commenters here have more than average interest and knowledge of the issues and technologies, having numbers for storage capacity as well as charge/discharge rates would not be too much detail. Costs and life expentancy too. <br />As Bob M points out, VRB's storage is independent of charge/discharge rates - by amount of electolyte. John Dalhaus is off the mark - lead acid doesn't like full discharge but VRB handles it fine. Also I believe they can be refurbished at much less than replacement costs. </p>
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16 of 18
March 8, 2008
<p>Yesterday I had the opportunity to attend an investors presentation at VRB Power.</p><p>They have a technology that works very well, and been installed or is currently being installed in 16 different applications around the world.&nbsp; One of the prime markets they are interested in is remote applications and telecomm. installations.&nbsp; Especially in Africa and India, where these apps are growing fast, but the electricity required depends on diesel.</p><p>Lots of background at www.VRBpower.com</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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17 of 18
May 29, 2008
A more efficient and cost effective renewable energy system is needed.
A more efficient and cost effective renewable energy system is needed.
To accelerate the implementation of renewable electric generation with added incentives and a FASTER PAYBACK - ROI. (A method of storing energy, would accelerate the use of renewable energy) A greater tax credit, accelerated depreciation, funding scientific research and pay as you save utility billing. (Reduce and or eliminates the tax on implementing energy efficiency, eliminate increase in Real estate Taxes for energy efficiency improvement).
In California, you also have the impediment, that when there are an interruption of power supply by the Utility you the consumer cannot use your renewable energy system to provide power.
In today's technology there is automatic switching equipment that would disconnect the consumer from the grid, which would permit renewable generation for the consumer even during power interruption. Energy storage technology must advance substantially.
New competition for the world's limited oil and natural gas supplies is increasing global demand like never before. Reserves are dwindling. These and other factors are forcing energy prices to skyrocket here at home. It's affecting not just the fuel for our cars and homes, but it's driving up electricity costs, too. A new world is emerging. The energy decisions our nation makes today will have huge implications into the next century.
A synchronous system with batteries allows the blending of a PV with grid power, but also offers the advantage of "islanding" in case of a power failure. A synchronous system automatically disconnects the utility power from the house and operates like an off-grid home during power failures. This system, however, is more costly and loses some of the efficiency advantages of a battery-less system.
We're surrounded by energy &mdash; sun, wind, water. The problem is harnessing it in an economical way.
Jay Draiman, N
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18 of 18
February 12, 2009
Very interesting article!
But maybe somebody knows more information/reading material about Nas and VRB batteries integration to grid (how system will work, what kind of converter system is used, how "smoothly" is going energy transfer to grid etc.) And also some information about batteries pay-back period?
Is there any good examples using NAS or VRB batteries to storage wind energy and to transfer this energy into grid?

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