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Estimates, Guesstimates, Obsolete & Just Plain Wrong: Severin Borenstein's PV Costs Paper

By Bill Powers, P.E., Powers Engineering
March 10, 2008   |   17 Comments
A closer look at "The Market Value and Cost of Solar Photovoltaic Electricity Production"

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17 Reader Comments
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1 of 17
March 10, 2008
<p><font face="Arial">Perhaps Borenstein is a PG&amp;E shareholder? A shill. I hope not. He's a PhD. and we need all the smart people thinking better. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial">Last but not least, money saved not sending it to pay the power company has also already been taxed, so its value is much more according to ones tax bracket. A personal victory many working families forget about. </font></p> <p><font face="Arial">Next target: The marginal rate we are ALL paying to burn our internal combustion engines at 20 cents/mile, replaced with the soon to arrive electric vehicle miles which will cost 3 to 4 cents/mile, or next to nothing if charged by PV. There is a billion dollars a day in this country at stake. Sort of explains why the oil companies are grabbing as much profit as they can now!</font></p>
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2 of 17
March 10, 2008
<p><font face="Arial">Borenstein's&nbsp;most questionable projection is that the current marginal rates are artificially high and are expected to come down. However just last week the upper tiers for PG&amp;E (3,4, and 5) increased just over a penny each. (Tiers 1 and 2 lowered). What this means in the real world is that a &quot;Tier 5&quot; PV system of around 10 kw just increased in value approximately $20 per month. Our latest two PV customers were happy to hear this and it certainly makes my job promoting PV easier.&nbsp; We shall see if Borenstein is somehow playing chicken with the oncoming peak load rates, with their victims, pool owners, home medical equipment owners, and families living in high heat areas of the valley as his hood ornaments. Personally I enjoy the numbers game in this industry, like the fact that a properly marginal rate eliminating PV system of 10 kw is diverting approximately $1.4 million from PG&amp;E over its lifetime of service. </font></p>
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3 of 17
March 10, 2008
Furthermore, Borenstein states that residential owner incurs the cost of new inverters in only 8 years. When I called him on this he referred me to the NREL study on performance and future hopes for inverter, compiled not by NREL, but by a PR firm published in January 2005. Inverter warranty on SMA and Fronius, that I know of, are ten years, and if propoerly installed should last twice the time Borenstein factored.
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4 of 17
March 10, 2008
<p>On the residential level at which Borenstein evaluated his 10 kw system, I calculate that either he valued each kWh at only 3 to 5 cents that the installation replaces (PG&amp;E's current marginal rate &quot;Tier %&quot; is now 36 cents/kWh, not even the cheapest retail rates are below 7 cents/kwh) or, once his theoretical system's modules reach the end of their warranty they are considered worthless. Most manufacturer's warranty coverage is 80% of original rating for 25 years. If we evaluated the costs and value of operating an automobile this way, I think people would be laughing at Borenstein the way I did when I ran across his &quot;study&quot; and self interested call for &quot;more research&quot; a month ago.</p>
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5 of 17
March 10, 2008
Thank You Bill Powers for your detailed rebuttal of Borenstein. I do not believe that Borenstein's sensationalistic and inaccurate paper should be allowed to diminish the prospects for major investment in PV, perhaps the world's last best hope for avoiding calamity. And by the way, bearing witness as a long time designer-user of distributed PV systems combined with state of the art, but cost-effective energy efficiency technologies, PV is cheap. The system I live on now cost me less that the cost of a used car! And I utilize all modern convience appliances, including washer, dryer, refrigerator, TVs, computers, lighting, stereos, DVD players, printers, musical equipment...... There is really no excuse to not engage in massive and rapid deployment of PV while also educating the population on the absolute necessity of energy efficiency and low-waste strategies.
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6 of 17
March 12, 2008
In the meantime I've found some more information about the current fossil fuel subsidies and hope that if anyone else is interested in working with me over the next few months, maybe years on putting together a dsiff.org or something similar they will send me an email.
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7 of 17
March 12, 2008
So now I'm curious and contaced the EIA and asked for some details or a website like dsireusa.org to educate myself further on the fossil fuel subsidies in the USA.&nbsp; The EIA's response is that I will need to sift through hundreds of pages of legal documents and tax code and that it's not likely to find any centralized compendeum of information.&nbsp; So, I'm thinking well this Dr. Borenstein couldn't have possibly seriously considered the true apples to apples value of PV vs. natural gas generated electricity and neither has anyone else.&nbsp; I'm curious to know if anyone else out there has done this type of research and if anyone out there really knows the true costs of fossil fuel generated electricity.&nbsp; I think it's time the discourse shifts to true accusations of the devastation that burning this sludge has really caused.&nbsp;
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8 of 17
March 12, 2008
<p>The huge subsidies that fossil fuel companies in the U.S. receive through favorable tax treatment are often used to justify offsetting subsidies for renewables. While the argument is correct in some cases, it must be applied carefully. For instance, the billions in tax breaks that oil companies receive for<br />domestic exploration benefit owners of the oil companies, but they do not substantially affect the price of oil, because oil is traded in a world market and the impact of these subsidies on world supply is negligible. While this points out the disturbing lack of a rational basis for such gifts to oil company shareholders, it also means that oil exploration subsidies do not put alternative energy sources at a financial disadvantage in the marketplace. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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9 of 17
March 12, 2008
After reading this arricle I contacted Dr. Borensteing and asked him if he had considered actual current subsidies for the fossil fuel industry in the USA from excavation, refinement, to transportation, and so on.&nbsp; He referred me to footnote #32 which states:&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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10 of 17
March 12, 2008
<p>I can already hear some political analyists on the right side say &quot;...even solar experts disagree on whether PV is actually cost effective.&quot;</p><p>Experts indeed, aren't we all?</p><p>I have to agree with Hal about burning fossil fuels. This is the 2000's man, have we not learned anything? </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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11 of 17
March 12, 2008
<p>Re: Powers' comment #6 &quot;Just plain wrong&quot; dimissiong&nbsp;PV's contribution to reducing tranmission line congestion.&nbsp; Distributed generation like PV will help some with transmission congestion, but not enough. The California Energy Commission's current projections for renewable energy growth through 2020 shows the bulk of California's renewable generation capacity&nbsp;will come from wind, not PV. Cal ISO, the agency responsible for scheduling and coordinating the state's power grid, completed a study that concluded&nbsp;major new HV transmission lines will have to be constructed to efficiently move all this new wind power from the most lucrative wind farm sites to&nbsp;California's major power&nbsp;load centers. They also concluded that new technology energy storage will have to be deployed to stablize the&nbsp;grid with these new fluctuating and intermittent&nbsp;power sources.&nbsp;</p>
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12 of 17
March 12, 2008
<p>The problem is when you have a Berkeley mucky-muck like this guy going around telling everyone that Renewables are bad economics, it adds to the national consensus that we don't have to invest in clean energy for the future.&nbsp; He needs to drop the 1950's macro economics book and read Herman Scheer instead.&nbsp;&nbsp; Someone needs to get through to this guy that there is more to this than dollars and nonsense...</p>
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13 of 17
March 12, 2008
The exercise is fundamentally flawed.

Comparing fossil fuel generated electricity with clean PV is like comparing the cost of burning trash in a barrel in the ally (like we did in my youth) to sending trash to a managed landfill, with recycling.

In a few decades, burning oil for power will seem as disgusting and ridiculous as burning trash.
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14 of 17
March 13, 2008
<p>What about stranded assets? What about all the gas plants that are mothballed right now in the Midwest due to high NG prices? Is it smart to invest in infrastructure that may be abandoned in less than a decade -- or perhaps sooner?</p> <p>We refuse to recognize peak oil, and peak natural gas is right around the corner.</p> <p>Let's wake up and do what we should have been doing for the past 20 years - invest in renewables and efficiency. </p> <p>&nbsp;Hermann Scheer made it happen in Germany; many thanks to Bill Powers for the education.&nbsp;</p>
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15 of 17
March 13, 2008
<p>Many thanks, Mr. Powers, for your excellent and informative article.&nbsp; We are looking at a world with increasing summer peaks, and to continue to meet the peaks with more CO2 is obviously a bad idea.&nbsp; </p><p>&nbsp;The Energy Information Administration (EIA) has underestimated the cost of natural gas wellhead prices by 200-300% during the past decade.&nbsp; As we quit building coal plants, and realize that if we continue to burn coal we will cook the planet, we're turning to natural gas.&nbsp; However, NG production peaked in the U.S., and has been declining -- I just read an article in the Denver Post a few weeks ago that NG production in the U.S. decreased 2.8% from 200 to 2006; and only in hte Rocky Mtn states has it increased.&nbsp; Well depletion rates are at 28% -- meaning that every new gas well is depleted in 3-5 years.</p>
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16 of 17
March 15, 2008
<p>To Clint Porter:</p><p>Regarding your post....</p><p>For instance, the billions in tax breaks that oil companies receive for<br />domestic exploration benefit owners of the oil companies, but they do not substantially affect the price of oil, because oil is traded in a world market and the impact of these subsidies on world supply is negligible. While this points out the disturbing lack of a rational basis for such gifts to oil company shareholders, it also means that oil exploration subsidies do not put alternative energy sources at a financial disadvantage in the marketplace.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>The obvious difference is that the capital expenditure for producing polysilicon (and probably any other production facility for various types of PV) DOES reduce the cost of the final product.</p><p>All the more reason to subsidize PV and NOT oil exploration/production.</p>
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17 of 17
April 7, 2009
Keep it up..doing great Marie
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