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Lessons from an Emerging Wind Power

By Martin Rosenberg, Editor-in-Chief, EnergyBiz Magazine
February 20, 2008   |   10 Comments

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"This isn't an impossible vision...the Danes really look at wind as a critical technology for the future."

-- Randall Swisher, executive director of the American Wind Energy Association
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February 22, 2008
Most of the solar energy people seem to be rational when they discuss the benefits and limits of solar power. But the wind and alcohol people blow harder than the winds that force the turbines to shut down.
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February 22, 2008
<p>&nbsp;The Danish wind system is a classic example of corporate welfare and make work projects, according to its Danish critics. </p><p>Critics of the Danish wind industry quicking point out that not a single power plant has ever been shut down in Denmark. They are all still needed dispite enormous gov't investment in Wind Mills that grossly underperform from what WAS PROMISED.&nbsp; </p><p>The problem is the weather. This over paid for Wind System periodically goes offline in a big way - High Wind, Low Wind, and No Wind. Whenever a weather system moves&nbsp; of the North Sea or Baltic Seain into Denmark, the entire postage stamp country is completely dominated by it. So the Wind Mills drop offline. This happens regularly. Hence the need for redundant power plants and imports. </p><p>&nbsp;As for America using the Danish system as a model, what a load of C**P.&nbsp; <br />How can we realiably free load off our neighbors to the same degree as the Danes?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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February 22, 2008
Yes, Denmark's power is &quot;dumped&quot; to Norway but presumably Norway's power will be dumped to Denmark when they are deeper into wind generation. If all of the EU is on a common grid and all countries are generating lots of wind power, presumably the pulsating nature of wind generation will have less significance.&nbsp; As a front moves in from England, power will be generated in an eastward moving band and the grid will distribute this power to where it is needed.&nbsp; Here in New Zealand, it is beginning to appear that low wind periods are high sun periods.&nbsp; Not only will we benefit from the averaging effect of our fronts which move from south to north but as solar-electric becomes financially feasable, wind and solar will compliment each other.
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February 22, 2008
The Denmark myth continues. Politicians throughout the U.S. tout Denmark's grid as getting 20-30% of its "fuel" from wind. The actual number is close to 6% as most of the wind power has to be dumped off at a loss to Norway and Sweden. Wind is a useful supplement, but it won't save us from the Arabs.
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February 23, 2008
The Danes stand as an example of what a people can do when they are not hog-tied by big-oil special interest lobbyists. If only the people in America could rid themselves of the lying lobbyists.
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February 23, 2008
Kevin: Is VRB Power the company whose stock sells for 22 cents/share on the Toronto Stock Exchange?
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February 23, 2008
<p><br />It&rsquo;s the intermittent nature of wind that its single biggest drawback. So can we store &quot;mass&quot; quantities of electricity? </p><p>The two most cost-effective solutions, pumped hydro and compressed air energy storage, depend on both geography and the power grid to overlap &ndash; a rare occurrence. </p><p>Here&rsquo;s two new names: VRB Power and EEStor. </p><p>12MWH VRB-ESS from VRB were sold to a wind farm in Ireland. A Sustainable Energy Ireland report concluded that the IRR generated by a wind farm with storage jumped to 17.5% -- an unheard of rate. Typically hurdle rates in the wind industry are 8-9%.</p><p> EEStor&rsquo;s ultracapacitors have an agreement with Lockheed Martin to market them in military and homeland security applications. </p><p>The ability to store mass quantities of electricity -- and the really hard part: its successful commercialization -- may just around the corner. </p><p>And that's a big game changer for wind. </p>
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February 25, 2008
The authors write "Wind power generation works at maximum efficiency about one-third of the time."
This is hardly true--100% of nameplate generation occurs much less often. One usually wants to consider the overall capacity factor, i.e., the amount of energy produced in a given year divided by the amount that would be produced if the system always operated at peak capacity. For Denmark in 2004, wind energy produced 23700 TJ of energy from ~3120 MW of turbines. This gives a capacity factor of 24.0%. Well below the "one-third" quoted above and the 30% values frequently claimed as typical capacities. For comparison the German capacity factor is about 18%.
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February 25, 2008
Actually, Denmark gets almost all of its electric energy from fossil fuels. The only lobbyists they are hog-tied to are the ones selling them those 5300 wind turbines.
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February 28, 2008
<p>so rolf, exactly how much are the coal, oil, and gas companies paying you to blog renewable energy and wind sites?</p><p>You are incredibly negative without proposing any solutions of your own.&nbsp; I'm all for critics, but critics with a purpose besides criticizing.&nbsp; I don't think wind is THE answer either, but it is part of the solution along with solar, hydro, wave, tidal, geothermal, microbial, biomass, biofuels and even nuclear and fossil fuels.&nbsp; We are on a very unsustainable path and we need to alter it because the status quo just won't cut it anymore.&nbsp; Put your time and energy and criticism and online posts into something positive that can improve humanity and the planet because you may get out of this place without feeling the impact but what about generations to follow.&nbsp; How would you have felt if you inherited tomorrow's climate disaster from your parents who just didn't seem to care and criticized any attempt to make a positive difference?</p>
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