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Hydrokinetic Permits Abound Despite Objections

By Frank Hartzell
February 27, 2008   |   11 Comments

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"Our studies show that hydrokinetics has the long-term potential of providing about 10 percent of our current U.S. electricity consumption."

-- Roger Bedard, Electric Power Research Institute
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1 of 11
February 27, 2008
What's high handed about it? The companies still have to get all the other necessary approvals and local permits before they can put anything into the water. These are all pilot licenses good only for a few years, maybe 3 to 5 years. After the study period, if they find it will cause ecological problems they will not get 30 to 50 year commercial licenses to produce electricity for utilities and all equipment would have to be removed.

Verdant Power finally got its hydrokinetic tidal turbines into New York City's East River in 2006 after something like 4 years of trying to get approval. They generated power for maybe 8 months and then broke down after having generated 7100 KWH of electricity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/13/nyregion/13power.html?pagewanted=print
I think it'll be a while before we see any feeding a utility line. Portugal will probably get there first.
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2 of 11
<p>It appears that FERC is acting a bit high handed in issuing these hundreds of in-river and ocean permits.</p><p>Energy produced from 4100 free-flow, each of these 20 kW generating units moored in Mississippi river bottom shall really make a difference in energy equation, specially when many mor hundreds and thousands are installed.</p><p>These sets of insatallation, presumably will be interconnected before feeding the utility line. Can any one let me know when they should start production?</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Peter Duttaroy</p><p>www.pdrassocs.com &nbsp;</p><p>732-390-8069&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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3 of 11
February 29, 2008
I wonder if there are wildcat projects already going?&nbsp; My dad used to talk about the potential for this, in the 60's.&nbsp; Now that batteries are so much better than they were then...
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4 of 11
February 29, 2008
<p>Ken -- why NOT muck about on the bottom? Maybe there's a better overall answer down there than what might be seen 'on the surface'.</p><p>That's the nice thing about getting some early-bird permits going... get some hardware in the water and see what works, and what doesn't. Controversial? Sure... change is always something hard for people to deal with. At least this gives those willing to take a chance on a new technology a chance to prove it out. </p><p>Otherwise -- like FJH suggested -- the innovators first have to fend off all of the oppositional groups (good and bad) and that takes energy away from being innovative. Sure, some very good designs will fall by the wayside, for a number of reasons.</p><p>If it weren't for innovation and for the vetting process, we might still be driving LaSalles, Cords, Edsels and Corvairs. At least this way, something other than just 'opposition' is happening.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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5 of 11
February 29, 2008
why muck about on the bottom,when you can have Aureolas and Habcabs working away on the surface or river banks collecting mega power. See Catalyst no 28 AYRS ( london) or get in contact with <a href="http://www.4paz.org/" target="_blank">www.4paz.org</a>
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6 of 11
February 29, 2008
<p>I agree with Carolyn; by having an initial permit for a device which on its face is no more intrusive than an anchored boat or dock; it provides a stream of real time data and usuable electricity. </p><p>Otherwise,you make the application open the process to every environmental organization and green activist, who then take years to peck apart the application with objections, draining resources and energy..which is certainly one of the objectives.</p><p>&nbsp;This is a more sensible approach and it will usher in a new era of clean, renewable energy. </p>
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7 of 11
March 1, 2008
I've looked at these designs with a great amount of interest.&nbsp; Yes, the first models may not have much durability, but in comparison to the Model T, neither did cars.&nbsp; They will improve.&nbsp; And there will always be those who complain about forward movement.&nbsp; It is their right, and we must understand their purpose.&nbsp; Freedom of speach is more important than any individual science.&nbsp; I have accomplishments that have excelled because I needed to think further ahead to avoid problems from those who would disagree, as have many others.&nbsp; I wouldn.t change this setting one iota. What an excellent time to be alive!!
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8 of 11
March 2, 2008
<div>Hydrokinetics</div><div>Hydrokinetics in rivers and the seas,</div><div>From the Mississippi down to the Florida Keys,</div><div>Looking&nbsp;for free flowing good currents&nbsp;we will&nbsp;find,</div><div>Deep or near the surface&nbsp;no one should really&nbsp;mind.</div><div>adrianakau2aol.com</div>
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9 of 11
March 4, 2008
<p>Ditto on leaving the bottom alone.</p><p>&nbsp;From gadget to&nbsp;working model&nbsp;see <a href="http://www.swellfuel.com/" target="_blank">http://www.swellfuel.com</a>&nbsp;esp. view the videos and the 24 prototypes. </p><p>&nbsp;I'm licensing some interesting in-stream kinetic energy water mills; and will be publishing plans in a CD to build several different types. Home-Brew Hydro is the way to go!</p>
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10 of 11
April 11, 2008
This stuff really does need to be evaluated. It's good to try to solve problems but do we ever stop to wonder what problems we are creating? We, they, whoever, are screwing up the bottoms of the oceans, so we need to be careful that we don't screw up the bottoms of the rivers. Outta sight, outta mind..
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11 of 11
April 11, 2008
I would appreciate someone to assist me in getting some technical information on this hydrokinetics device for evaluation purposes. Thanks
juan.carrere@terra.cl
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