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A National Solar PV Incentive Needed

By Daniel Simon
January 14, 2008   |   20 Comments

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1 of 20
January 14, 2008
The oil industry is getting ridiculous amounts of subsidies, maybe the first step is to take those away from big oil and make renewables more compeditive off the bat…

-Deep Patel
www.gogreensolar.com
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2 of 20
January 14, 2008
<p>Nicely written, Daniel. I agree with your position for a number of reasons. We do for sure need nationwide net metering laws in place to encourage the use of PV and other Green Energies.</p><p>I have started a petetion for Sen Menendez supporting the S.O.L.A.R. Act (Solar Opportunity and Local Access Rights) bill he has co-written. You can all help to spead the word by signing it at the following site.</p><p><br />http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/654310470 </p><p>&nbsp;Thanks for all you are doing,</p><p>D Miller </p>
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3 of 20
January 14, 2008
<span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">P. Passarelli in comment @2 says &quot;PV as a basis for comparison has technical merit, it's just too expensive.&nbsp; There are fundamental reasons it will never get below a certain price.&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">I agree that Solar PV is not yet cheap enough for market forces to drive widespread adoption, which is why I'm calling for a fixed term&nbsp;national production&nbsp;incentive to spark demand, which has been shown draws investment and jobs throughout the supply chain which in turn leads to lower installed costs over time.&nbsp; Every industry that I know about can lower costs with greater scale--I assume the same is/will continue to be&nbsp;true of solar. &nbsp;As for your second statement, you&nbsp;do not say what&nbsp;&quot;certain price&quot;&nbsp;PV &quot;will never get below&quot; so I can neither agree nor disagree.&nbsp; Obviously PV will never get below zero!</span>
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4 of 20
January 14, 2008
<span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">A. Ludwig in comment 1 says &quot;And 10 cents/kWh seems quite high, compared to the current&nbsp;1.9 cent production tax credit.&quot;</span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">I hope it is clear that I am advocating a production&nbsp;incentive for SOLAR PV in the US&nbsp;of 10 cents/kWh.&nbsp; I assume A. Ludwig is referring to a wind power production tax credit (PTC)&nbsp;which does not apply to solar.&nbsp; And yes&nbsp;the national solar pv incentive I am calling for&nbsp;is higher than the PTC currently available to wind.&nbsp; </span><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: Verdana">However when you compare the incentive I am calling for with national solar incentives available in Germany, Spain, Italy and France which range from 30-45 eurocents (~43-65 US cents) I think you will agree that 10 cents/kWh is not very high.</span>
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5 of 20
January 14, 2008
CIGS, such as nanosolar, promise <$1/watt. No incentives needed. Soon the whole world will be different.
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6 of 20
January 14, 2008
<p>Re Mr. Passarelli's comments regarding &quot;not building an industry on incentives&quot;, perhaps we take some of the subsidies (incentives)&nbsp;from the petroleum industry, which is realizing &quot;windfall&quot; profits currently, and focus them on the renewable energy industry. Also, I believe the agricultural sector receives very significant incentives via subsidies. Should renewable energy be the lesser focus of incentives and subsidies?</p><p>&nbsp;It seems that most of the rest of the world thinks differently than the U.S. re incentives for renewable energy. I wonder why?</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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7 of 20
January 14, 2008
<p>More incentives would be nice, but you can't build an industry on incentives. The market will determine what works. </p><p>Solar &amp; Thermal has solved the cost issue breaking the $3/Watt barrier.&nbsp; But&nbsp; buyers balk at 5%-10% return. {It's like battered spouse syndrome. We offer a better life, w/o abuse, stress, or degradation, but the victims keep returning.}</p><p>CSP has 20, 30, 50+ year reliability, 20-years rates &lt;$0.09/kWh. Payback &lt;10yrs, profits in 5yrs by selling open market REC's. It takes one cloudy day for the victim to scramble back to the old and familiar.</p><p>PV as a basis for comparison has technical merit, it's just too expensive.&nbsp; There are fundamental reasons it will never get below a certain price.</p><p>CSP is based on proven methods of heat changing to mechanical work, and work producing electricity.&nbsp; We do it at a very good price. http://www.solarandthermal.com/ </p>
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8 of 20
January 14, 2008
<p>An emphatic Yes, but how do we get Congress to understand this?</p><p>And 10 cents/kWh seems quite high, compared to the current&nbsp;1.9 cent production tax credit.</p>
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9 of 20
January 16, 2008
<p>I'd like to thank everyone for their comments.&nbsp; Its refreshing to&nbsp;hear that other people are also concerned with our continued&nbsp;reliance on fossil fuels.&nbsp;</p><p>T Cory is absolutely right that we need to push efficiency &amp; conservation hard.&nbsp; I for one am driving my relatives nuts turning off lights/changing bulbs/installing powerstrips/carpooling&nbsp;when I can...&nbsp; These are things I didn't even think about 4-5 years ago so hopefully we can drag others on board.&nbsp;</p><p>P. Johnson,&nbsp;&nbsp;Is someone&nbsp;forcing you to use solar instead of wind?&nbsp;&nbsp;Shame on them, but&nbsp;you are certainly in the minority across this country.</p>
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10 of 20
January 16, 2008
I'm becoming a real bore with this comment but the viability of domestic solar will take a giant leap forward when the solar panels double as the roof cladding.&nbsp; The savings will open up a huge new market to domestic solar electric.
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11 of 20
January 16, 2008
<p>Giving the small solar generator more for each Kwh than he pays to buy it would certainly be a great incentive to install solar.&nbsp; It is also in the interest of the country.&nbsp; It will ensure that there is a good supply of domestic, renewable energy when the fossil fuel economy goes pear-shaped as it is bound to do.&nbsp; However, it is not sustainable in the long run.&nbsp; The distribution companies have expenses and must pay less for energy than they sell it for to remain economically viable.&nbsp; There are many other measures any government could take to make solar financially feasable.&nbsp; See:</p><p>http://mtkass.blogspot.com/2007/07/solar-electric-government-role.html&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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12 of 20
January 16, 2008
<p>Fred hit it, STOP the big subsidies for Oil , Fossil fuel and Nuclear. They are all losers. RENewables don't need any incentives if you remove the bad incentives !</p><p>It's very simple and clear. Don't subsidise any energy, then people will be more efficient and invest in passive designs, zero energy homes and companies. Ride a bicycle and even walk. This could reduce health cost too !</p>
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13 of 20
January 16, 2008
This is a well though proposal that makes economic sense. To get widespread adoption you need incentives to change the status quo.

Solar is clean energy with no bi products. I recommend that everyone read January 2008 Scientific American Article where a national solar program was proposed that results in the USA generating 100% of its energy from solar. Solar is used to power your PHEV and power all buildings. San Jose has a new Office building they has 85 people working there that has a Zero Net Zero Footprint. All energy is generated on the rooftop.
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14 of 20
January 16, 2008
Where would the materials come from for a dramatic growth in solar PV? Thin film will probably never overcome that problem, and continued use of silicon is too expensive. When long-life solar panels can be installed at $3/watt there will be no need for incentives. It would be competitive with the grid, and people would flock to its use - probably too many people to be accommodated.
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15 of 20
January 16, 2008
<p>Todd, although it was a bit off topic you had the best comment.</p><p>Why should we wait on market forces?&nbsp; </p><p>Here's a thought - Why are you telling me I have to use solar instead of wind power and pay a lot more for it?&nbsp; Choice is the bottom line.&nbsp; I would choose wind over solar any day because I can actually afford it.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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16 of 20
January 16, 2008
With the final recognition of the climate change impacts and the economic benefits of getting off $100/brl fuel, we are pursuing Net Zero Energy buildings. Clearly the efficiency opportunities and the on site generation and demand response programs to use our energy in&nbsp;more sustainable ways can be complimented for solar. Solar Thermal and PV are both valuable and each has merit if appied in the proper application areas. PV windows that provide the energy for the chiller can be supplimented with other Clean energy options such as absorption chillers using solar thermal. CABA, the Continental Automated Building Association is educating the building industry with many new programs in support of the Net Zero challlenge. See&nbsp;<a href="http://www.caba.org/" target="_blank">http://www.caba.org</a>&nbsp;
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17 of 20
January 16, 2008
<p>Once again, here is a solar PV article that says nothing about steps one and two first before step three solar PV. </p><p>Job 1 is conservation (I know that is a bad word there in amerikua) and efficiency upgrades. </p><p>Job 2 is SDHW. </p><p>Since sustainability is the real issue, we need to gather the low hanging fruits first rather than putting in gigantic PV systems to compensate for waste and inefficiency... especially when funded by public taxes.</p> <p>Also why does solar PV need to economically compete with polluting, subsidized fossil fuel energy? Apples and oranges.</p> <p>Todd <br /> </p>
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18 of 20
January 16, 2008
I am so sick of this constant talk of&nbsp;leaving it up to the markets to drive change.When does something transcend the profit motive and simply become a moral imperative?
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19 of 20
January 18, 2008
<p>&nbsp;</p><p>How strange mankind is, that it would so willingly cage itself, yet once caged, fight tooth and nail to be free again.</p><p>Some of you might think that this is &quot;off the subject&quot; but all one has to do is look at the much broader picture of the history of mankind to see where the future will go.</p><p>For thousands of years mankind did not need all of these energies that we so willingly utilize today. That all ended at approximately the same time that global human population began to dramticaly increase.</p><p>Here we are, only 100 years later looking for a way out.</p><p>Pity about Earth.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>
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20 of 20
October 9, 2009
Incentives are a public menace. They impede progress like vaporware products. As long as an incentive might be coming, people hold back investments because they want to use "some body else's money". In this case, things are blocked not because the govt has not provided an incentive but because it has not made a decision one way or the other. It is criminal anyway. No industry has a rightful claim to the tax payers money/property.
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