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Worldwatch Report Looks at The Role of Renewables in China's Future

By Jennifer Runyon, Managing Editor
November 16, 2007   |   28 Comments

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"If China is able to scale up its renewable energy technologies to the levels needed to have an impact domestically, and if it is able to achieve the low prices needed to succeed in the local market (known in manufacturing circles as the "China price"), it may be virtually inevitable that these same technologies will soon be adopted on a massive scale around the globe."

--Christopher Flavin, President,Worldwatch Institute
28 Reader Comments
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1 of 28
November 16, 2007
Everyone wants to develop as the US did over the last century. Unfortunately this is not a sustainable model for long term growth. It appears that China is beginning to figure that out. Suntech is about to become the world's largest cell producer and there are many others Chinese companies behind them. Lead onward China.
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2 of 28
November 16, 2007
Ignorance about choice, myths by greedy lazy leaders.

Will America wake up in time to be the leader of clean energy, again? It's time get out of the mislead energy
"dark ages" and see the light!

WELCOME to the era of clean RENEWABLE energy AMERICA!!
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3 of 28
November 16, 2007
Matt, the biggest bottleneck's been polysilicon supply. That, however, is about to be solved as more manufacturers gear up to meet demand: http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/13/here-comes-the-sun/
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4 of 28
November 16, 2007
If China's richest man is CEO of a solar cell producer, why aren't more entrepreneurs getting into the renewable energy business? It seems that there is money in it. I know the prices aren't yet compettive with fossil fuels, but if more people took on this business opportunity there would be a greater supply, driving the price down and increasing the quantity demanded. So what's holding us back?
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5 of 28
November 17, 2007
It is easier to run down hill, than pull a fat man off the couch.

China cannot sustain their growth TODAY, with its current infrastructure. Their economy is accelerating. Adding a new industry to sustain their others, is just running downhill.

We, in the US, have been on the couch, sucking on the oil for a very long time. Our culture has become fat and complacent. It's going to take a lot of pushing to get this bloated U.S. culture off the couch.
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6 of 28
November 18, 2007
"If China's richest man is CEO of a solar cell producer, why aren't more entrepreneurs getting into the renewable energy business (for use in China?)"

This is the typical ignorance of the renewable energy crowd. China is burning coal at a cost of less than $.08 per kwh while solar goes for over $.21 per kwh just for the panel.

Business entrepreneurs don't go into ventures that they loose a minimum of $.13 per kwh every day, year after year. The only purpose for Solar pv is to sell to Westernized Gov'ts for corporate welfare projects. No one else has the foresight to loose money on that scale for nothing.
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7 of 28
November 18, 2007
"China now serves as factory to the world."

I read a report that 58% of all exports from China are from multinationals located there. These are foreign companies that have set up factories in Chnia. The percent of control by multinationals of wind and solar was not given in the report.

I believe that once China can produce its own good technology for renewables, then the "China price" can be attained and the domestic market can be served. Right now, it is more profitable to export.

However, the price for being the "factory to the world" is a heavy one and has resulted in pollution of all types. Lung ailments alone affect almost 40 million. Over 300 million don't have adequate or clean drinking water.

adrianakau2aol.com
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8 of 28
November 19, 2007
If China is able to scale up its renewable energy technologies to the levels needed to have an impact domestically, and if it is able to achieve the low prices needed to succeed in the local market (known in manufacturing circles as the "China price"), it may be virtually inevitable that these same technologies will soon be adopted on a massive scale around the globe."

You can bet that China will reach their targets faster than anybody else, once they decide to invest.
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9 of 28
November 21, 2007
Don't be too optimistic about China's use of RE. A majority of it comes from the Three Gorges Hydro Dam. They are going to struggle just like the US in using cost effective RE.

The advantage that China currently has over the US is that they don't consume near as much electricity so % wise it looks better. They are currently constructing coal plants at an alarming rate.
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10 of 28
November 21, 2007
We will succeed in lowering the costs. Need always seeks a solution. China is doing a great job but so are we and the rest of the world. There is no doubt in my mind that we are on the right path. We just have keep talking about it and believing. Change always takes time.
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11 of 28
November 21, 2007
Brian you are so right! to find a solution for our future energy problems we need people with vision.

To the knockers and naysayers take your head out of the oil bearing sands of the middle east and look around. You will see many dedicated people working in renewables and coming up with some positive answers for an oil starved world

Stay POSITIVE.

Mike H. founder HYDROGENHEADS
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12 of 28
November 21, 2007
Well put Warren!!!!!
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13 of 28
November 21, 2007
There are a few postings here that wish for government to solve all the energy problems. As consumers we need to make a choice. Rather than the $ 3000 refrigerator or the $ 45,000 SUV you all drive, go out and purchase CFL bulbs and some solar cells and have at it, on your own. If you wait for Government you'll be setting in the dark!
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14 of 28
November 21, 2007
The polycrystalline silicon supply may continue to be an issue especially if China and others dominate s the major purchasers or suppliers. What do ytou think of amorphus low efficiency- but yet- low cost panels??

John in Scottsdale
Desert Professional Consulting, Inc.
dpclab@aol.com
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15 of 28
November 21, 2007
China's lesser costs for labor mean that they can retool quickly as PV efficiencies increase. Much of the research seems to be done here, but the carry-through and scale-up is done in China. This is going to be more and more true as PV materials go nano and weigh less to ship.

It is sad the present US government is so short-sighted. If we could ever get our government corruption under control, we could really do stuff.

I held my nose and registered Republican. Anybody want to guess why?
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16 of 28
November 21, 2007
To Jim Berry and those who think solar and alternatives are a dead end. Yes, the cost is outside the bounds of normal investment comfort zones, though I might take issue with the actual number cited above. But for some perspective bear in mind that when Thomas Alva Edison finally found the right formula for his filament and began producing light bulbs, they were costing him about 2 times more to produce than he could sell them for. He of course, had a long term vision, something sorely lacking today. Had your logic prevailed in his day, we'd still be lighting lamps with whale oil. Of course there wouldn't be any whales left which is beside the point... or maybe it is the point.
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17 of 28
November 21, 2007
It is difficult for any renewable energy technology to survive and prosper if the price of installation per KW and energy produced per KWh are not in line with conventional energy sources. It is surprising to note that the cost of installtion per KW for wind energy projects is almost the same as 20 years before eventhough the turbine sizes have gone up almost 10 times. Price per KWh is reduced mainly due to higher efficiencies and design developments. Imagine competitiveness of wind energy if the price of installation per MW had reduced with the increase in size of turbines, which was logical and expected. I understand that wind industry is facing supply chain problem for the parts which needs to be addresed on priority basis in the interest of the wind industry in long term.
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18 of 28
November 21, 2007
We offer a huge line of solar products, and they just arn't selling. Solar cells are just too expensive for the average family. Our government has had since 1973 to get their act together,and get behind the solar business. It isn't happening! All we get is lip service at election time. China is light years ahead of us in the alternate energy field. Prices are much lower there. While we are out trying to police the world, China is focusing inward and growing in huge increments. Although I prefer America as my homeland, we have to get our priorities straight or we are looking at a literally dim future.
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19 of 28
November 21, 2007
There is much more at stake then direct savings.market these issues.
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20 of 28
November 21, 2007
One of the leading advocates for Solar power is Dov Raviv of the MST Company ,from Israel.

His Presentation as a Poster at the 21st
PV Conference in Dresden
September 2006

Can be seen at this link
http://www.rmst.co.il/Dresden%20Paper%2027-8-06%20roy.pdf

The Knesset has allready approved his plans for Solar Power Generation in the Negev desert.
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21 of 28
November 21, 2007
Considering the present energy market and some concious steps taken by governments, generation of energy by renewable sources has got a huge boost in India,China and abroad.Germany has set the righy example by giving subsidies and other benefits to Solar energy sector.Hope other govts will replicate similar example.
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22 of 28
November 22, 2007
Here's the pressure: China is driving for 15 - 20% of future power to be supplied by RE. Germany also, where the first 100,000 'nano-ink' cells are going. Spain is a dominant player in implementation (371 MW by 2010). CA's present 30,000 solar roofs will increase at 100,000/yr to one million in their initiative. More states in US are implementing solar tax credits. With oil at $90, and brown-outs looming, tax credits will only increase at the state level. Solar is like a tsunami just starting to roll out of the ocean depths into shallower waters. Betting against solar would be a bad idea, though there are some early concerns about world tellurium generation (as in CdTe coatings to increase panel efficiency in capturing sunlite - a 2x4 panel needs 7g of CdTe). Known world production was 168 tons in 04.Does anyone know of new technologies that replace CdTe ???
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23 of 28
November 22, 2007
China has done an amazing job of quickly starting up solar and wind energy production but for some reason geothermal power generation has been completely ignored. California alone currently produces 86 times more electricity from geothermal as China! Though China is number one in the world in direct use of geothermal for heating, they have completely ignored it in their future planning. Their annual "alternative energy conference" has lots of sessions on solar, nuclear and wind but absolutely nothing on geothermal.
http://www.alt-power.com/en/overview.php
Something must be done to raise their awareness of the great potential of geothermal power to economically replace coal as a source of 24/7 baseload power. The planet is suffering greatly from this mistake.
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24 of 28
November 26, 2007
Henry Ford started the auto assemble line for cars. If he were alive today, do you think he would be trying to figure out how to get all of mankind to move in unison as a "people mass assembly" on really important issues. The answer is YES. He certainly wouldn't be building 300hp Mustangs like the third generation is while they fire 45% of their work force; sipping mixed drinks in Hawaii!
All the Best,..
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25 of 28
November 26, 2007
We had retooled industry, focusing on our nation like "ants in an anthill", we had the greatest ample supply of raw goods to make stuff, and woman realized that they could get educated and flex their' muscles too, to make money and fight. We thought and acted collectively in order literally to succeed; ie: to survive as a nation against the "then" invaders. We're loosing a war much more devastating now, the economic war, aka the power war. But the war is really pervasive and can end all wars now. The world is tiny, it's really very tiny. In order to "keep" it,...we need to think as a "collective species now." It's not the Germans against the Amercans or the Chinese against the.....whatever.

Think about it. It's a world economy that fails or succeeds as one mankind. We better make CO's and NOX's subside or we'll be trying to build ships to take us to the moon in 200 years.
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26 of 28
November 26, 2007
I don't think the average reader needs to know or understand the chemistry behind CdTe or any other compound. SunPower is now setting up shop in California.
Why? They want to be able to move their panels from the West Coast Eastward across the US obviating export issues.
We need to buy SunPower stock, and let the leaders in solar technology lead; it's not us. Americans don't have the 'mindset' to act long term. We what our stuff now, myself included. We haven't, are not now, nor will be ever think beyond one generation; that's why we will never be able to maintain our once dominant position in the world. Our dominance was somewhat serrendipitous after World War II anyway.
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27 of 28
November 27, 2007
Why do we keep seeing nuclear power included in the RE mix? Nuclear energy is NOT clean energy, as Dr. Helen Caldicott explains so eloquently in her book: "Nuclear Power is not the Answer." It's not sustainable, and the risks far outweigh the benefits. We have many alternatives that are much safer and truly inexhaustible (solar, wind, geothermal).

I agree with Warren - and I'm actively voting for the future I want by what I'm investing in TODAY - we eat from the local CSA farm, bike/bus to work, buy wind energy credits from the local utility, drive a hybrid car. None of these choices has been difficult or had a negative impact on our quality of life (I would argue that they've improved the quality of our life). Yes, they are small things, but as we're all more thoughtful about the future we're 'voting for' by our behavior, things will change. This is an exciting time because there's room for ALL the good ideas - from all corners, at every scale.
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28 of 28
November 27, 2007
Cigs or copper-indium-gallium-diselenide, Cu(InGa)Se2 seems to offer a better efficiency to cost ratio and has nothing whatsoever to do with silicon. Also, the material is only about 1/100th as thick, can be embedded in glass (as is the case with my little 4.5 volt cell) but seems to be produced on thin stainless steel in the future. Got the name and info from the copper site when trying to figure about the cell I got.
http://www.copper.org/innovations/2007/05/solar_energy.html

I think we have hope!
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