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Solar Hot Water Set To Go Mainstream with California's AB 1470

Sara Parker, Staff Writer
October 17, 2007  |  25 Comments

It's a technology that has been used in California in one form or another since the 1800s. But, like its photovoltaic counterpart, solar hot water heating in the state is about to ramp up production in a big way with the signing of bill AB 1470 by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger last week.

Known as The Solar Water and Heating Efficiency Act of 2007, the new legislation is designed to create a broad market for solar water heating technologies by offering $250 million in rebates for the state's consumers over the next ten years.

The rebate fund would come from a $0.13 per month surcharge on gas bills and be implemented by the California Public Utilities Commission and individual municipal utilities.

"The goal of the program is to install 200,000 hot water systems on businesses and homes throughout state of California, see reduction in price and similar to the California Solar Initiative that we passed last year—to support solar electric technologies—the vision of this program is to create a mainstream market for solar water heating technologies as well," said Bernadette Del Chiaro, Clean Energy Advocate for Environment California, during an interview with Inside Renewable Energy host Stephen Lacey.

Authored by California Assemblymember Jared Huffman (Marin) and sponsored by Environment California, AB 1470 was originally envisioned to be included as part of the Million Solar Roofs bill, SB 1, which was signed into law by Schwarzenegger in 2006.

Fast forward one year. In an effort to diversify California's solar market, supporters successfully pushed AB 1470 through the California legislature as a companion to the Million Solar Roofs legislation.

"California can achieve greater energy independence, fight global warming, and save homeowners and businesses money by encouraging a mainstream market for solar water heating," said Assemblymember Huffman.

A report released in April by Environment California Research & Policy Center showed that a mainstream market for solar water heating could cut 6.8 million tons of global warming pollution per year, while cutting natural gas demand in each home by 50-75%.

"Launching a mainstream solar water heating program is really beneficial to consumers as well as the environment. The estimates show that if we were to take advantage of California's potential solar water heating market, we could see a 25 to 35% reduction in wholesale prices of natural gas and that is simply because demand for natural gas is going nowhere but up, and supplies worldwide are going nowhere but down," said Del Chiaro.

"By signing this bill into law, Gov. Schwarzenegger is placing yet another solar power technology in the spotlight, harnessing it for California's growing demand for renewable energy," added Del Chiaro.

But while normally the trendsetter when it comes to implementing solar policy legislation in the U.S., California is not the first to create a mass market for solar hot water heating. That title actually belongs to Hawaii.

"In the United States, Hawaii is actually out competing, out installing solar water heaters compared to California 4 to 1. So they're installing about 4,000 domestic solar water heaters in Hawaii every year where as California is installing about 1,000," said Del Chiaro, noting Hawaii has a rebate program for consumers.

"In this case we'll be following Hawaii's lead in some ways, but we want to basically show the rest of the country that solar water heating—just like solar electric—is a good technology to invest in and something that is ready for mainstream."

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Gary Tulie
Gary Tulie
November 9, 2007
Possibly the best bang for buck comes with larger systems such as Hospitals, Schools, and Universities. Generally, these could install large systems to supply at least summer hot water base load far more cost effectively than fossil fuels or electricity, as the system will have much lower installation, tank, and pipe costs per installed killowatt of heat. These are cost effective in the UK without subsidy, so should be highly sought after in California.

P.S Why not incorporate solar water heating as mandatory in the building codes?
Drew Gillett
Drew Gillett
October 27, 2007
wow in our area in new england, oil ,propane, wood etc are all running about $3/delivered to load therm which oddly enough is the same cost as electricity for water heating. so here at least solar dhw is 4 times as cost effective before subsidies as pv given panel efficiencies of 60 and 15 % and equal full up installed costs of $100/sq.ft. another way to look at it is i only get 10 kwh or $1 for each sq.ft of pv each year versus 120000 btu or $4 worth of oil gas propane wood deliverd to hot water load (conversion inefficies included) heat.
doug rotermund
doug rotermund
October 21, 2007
Somebody needs to come up with a vacuum tube batch heater or something similar so that the simplicity of an integral collector storage system can be employed without the heat loss.
doug rotermund
doug rotermund
October 21, 2007
Keith, Good point.

However if you compare tier two natural gas of p.g.e @$1.35 per therm and tier 3 electric @ 23 cents per killowatt you have (29.3 kw/therm x 23 cents/kw), $6.74 per therm, a 5 to 1 ratio, electricity being 5 times more expensive. That jumps to 8 to 1 in the last electric tier @37 cents. Now obviously gas water heating is about 80% efficient because of vent loss but there is still no comparison.
It's funny how electric resistance is called 100% efficient. It most have derived from politics.
Tony Woicekowski
Tony Woicekowski
October 20, 2007
Regarding the complexity of the hot water systems compared to PV, that's very true. Electrons & water are different. 80 year old wiring works perfectly. An 80 year old water heater? Control systems have evolved since Carter's day. Problems with freezing, temperature controls, corrosion, etc have all been successfully addressed.
Also saw no mention of price stability. If a Katrina hits Houson, natural gas is through the roof. Let alone other supply disruptions. Solar hot water users are immune to spikes for that application.
To those who complain that they don't want to be footing the bill via a surcharge...I feel your pain. I've been paying for the mistakes made by the nuclear power industry all my life, and still there's no repository for the waste accumulated from that process. Any honest evaluation of hidden taxes in the energy industry will reveal taxes far in excess of the $.13 per month surcharge imposed by this bill.
Scott Wayland
Scott Wayland
October 19, 2007
My main point was not about volume or costs of systems and installation. And it's not really about emissions either, it's about efficiency, conservation, dollars and cents, and common sense.

Of course playing the market is better use of one's nest egg, but you have to consider what is at stake when it comes to our use of energy.

Solar Thermal Hot Water systems, especially with our forthcoming incentive here is CA, is one of the most viable renewable systems available.

Consider that homebuilders are installing water heaters even today that are less than 50% efficient. This product should not even be on the market (Federal Appliance Standards). I know because there is one of these brand new products in my garage. This tanks' days are numbered. Even commercial owners will be totally nuts to pass this up, they will soon have a good reason to stop installing crappy water heaters...
Scott Greenbaum
Scott Greenbaum
October 19, 2007
Solar hot water is more cost effective then solar PV. Lets get started ASAP. What is the level of incentive financing? Making solar hot water main stream will accomplish more than solar PV. Great idea!

Wish Massachusetts would get the idea. We only have incentive financing for PV. Even replacing electric hot water with solar is not allowed.

Scott
John Koontz
John Koontz
October 19, 2007
Jim,

Great points. My family finds natural gas so clean we drink it instead of milk. I'd love to comment more but I think my wife just left the stove without permission.
Jon Wolfgram
Jon Wolfgram
October 19, 2007
"Solar hot water is more cost effective then solar PV."

What numbers are you using to compare this?
Keith Ritter
Keith Ritter
October 19, 2007
Yikes! Deja vu striking.

I was very involved in the solar hot water boom of the late 70's-early 80's. It was over-hyped and under-installed. Freeze-protection schemes at that time were a disaster. Solar hot water technology has come a long way, but solar HW still requires more installation skill and ongoing maintenance, with pumps, anti-freeze, heat exchangers, etc., than PV systems. As others have noted, solar HW is not as plug-and-play as PV. It requires a creative engineering mind encapsulated in a plumber's skilled body, driven with the dedication to mistake-free workmanship of a brain surgeon. That combination is not common enough to meet demands of a mass-market.

I predict as the market expands, so will the problems.
Keith Ritter
Keith Ritter
October 19, 2007
Another point -

The market focus is wrong. Solar HW should be primarily focused on supplementing the millions of electric HW systems out there, where the economics really pencil out.

It's hard to justify solar HW compared to an efficient tankless gas water heater, especially with new low-flow showers, clothes washers, and faucets. During the summer our house uses less than a half-therm per day for all our hot water, gas dryer, and gas range needs. This means we're paying less than $12/month for gas-heated HW. With electric HW, in most areas of California, it would be over 3 times the cost for the same amount of HW.
Ray Malinda
Ray Malinda
October 19, 2007
Wow! What a lively discussion. There's such good points made by everyone but.......
The tone of the intercourse seems to reflect a problem in this county. We can't seem to discuss anything complex without arguing about it and thus aborting useful action that is beneficial to the people and the Earth.
In the words of Rodney King, "Why can't we just get along?" and beyond that work to get some ultimate solutions that solve the problems. We have to get past all the bickering.
Ray Malinda
Ray Malinda
October 19, 2007
To continue. Maybe we need to change the way that problems are approached. Perhaps giving numerical values to the different proposed solutions based on their probability of success then simply doing the math what direction offers the best chance of reaching our objective. The trouble then probably becomes getting everyone to agree on the objective. I don't believe in that but maybe the end-times are here after all.
Michael Emrich
Michael Emrich
October 19, 2007
Having been in the solar industry for 32 years, I would love to have no need for gov. incentives. But the gov gives incentives to oil, gas and nuclear industries thus requiring incentives for the solar industry. As far as reliability and performance- I still have the same collectors heating my house that I installed 30 years ago. Many of the same pumps and controls are original also. The choice of appropriate systems for the climate zone they are installed in. You must have trained people to install the systems the correct way. These are the key ingredients for long lived trouble free systems. Water heating out performs pv on a cost basis $2 or $3 to $1. I install both thermal and PV.
James Sutton
James Sutton
October 18, 2007
I am very pleased to see solar thermal systems get more support. While solar electric panels get 15%-20% efficiency, solar thermal systems are closer to 80%, thus more energy savings per mounting area and they are much cheaper than their electric counterparts.

Rolf: I agree with most all your points, especially in regards to people not waiting on breakthroughs because thermal systems are about as advanced as they are going to get, though there may be some improvement. In reference to your #4 point most solar thermal systems of today (in particular, the active systems) do not replace regular water heaters, as they are more of a pre-warming technology that varies from 20-100% pending on various factors (avg. is still above 60% in most areas) and separate tank is used for solar heated water. The regular water heater supplements via electricity or natural gas what solar does not provide.
John Carr
John Carr
October 18, 2007
Rolf,
I understand what you're saying, I install solar thermal systems, may have instlled one of yours. With solar thermal at least 50% of the costs are installation. This is largely because solar thermal "systems" aren't really systems. Most are a patchwork of collectors, roof mounts, tanks, valves, collectors, and controllers.

I know manufacturer's are trying, the products are getting better, and there are a number of them that offer package systems. However, there is still room for improvement. Regardless of what mfg say, most systems are not installation freindly, hence the 50% installation costs.

Cutting the cost of installation and design through packaging and standardization could cut the cost as much as 40%. The U.S. automakers took the attitude, "There's nothing we can do." and lost their market share. The Chinese found a way in Rizhou to drop the price of solar thermal dramatically. It's our turn.
James Sutton
James Sutton
October 18, 2007
Jim:
Why do all these cost efficient and cost savings idea require non-users to foot the tab?

Its kinda like a carbon credit. If someone does not want to pay to polute the environment, then use the rebates and save greenhouse gasses.
Jim Berry
Jim Berry
October 18, 2007
One, most people in California use natural gas for heating. The air pollution is trivial. I will point out that women spend every holiday working at the stove for hours with no ill health. You are recommending taxing for a pollution that doesn't exist and then claim its fair. That's propaganda for the ignorant.

Also I seriously doubt most Californians pay enough to heat their water to make this a cost effective use of their money. Better uses being paying of debt/mortgages or IRAs/401ks.

Its a matter of rate of return. Like solar pv which can take 12 to 25 years, the money, for nearly everyone, is better spent on your mortgage, credit cards, and pension planning.

Who is smarter the guy who plans to get 3-6% or the guy who plans to get 6 (current mortgage rate 10/2007) to 11% (return for S&P 500) or 19% (paying off credit cards)?

I know the answer, do you? Which should the gov't encourage?
John Carr
John Carr
October 17, 2007
Great intentions!

Instead of spreading the money out across 200,000 people, focus the money on the manufacturers of hot water systems in California. Leverage the money to hold them to a maximum installed cost that is competitive with other utilities. Afterwards, there will be no need for any future subsidies. It's a win-win for manufacturers and the people of California.

Subsidies are a slow way of gradually bringing the cost down. Subsidies do not go directly to solve the root cause of high prices: Insufficient capital available to the manufacturer to make the upgrades necessary to lower the installed cost of their products.
Scott Wayland
Scott Wayland
October 17, 2007
I totally disagree with the comment above. The market is going to dictate the prices and there is not much we can do about that. We need install volume in order to see how cheap these panels can be made.
These rebates leveage the buyer to invest most of the capitol that gets thermal installed. Solar Thermal can be more-benefitial for a building owner than PV, and now we will be able to see that happen soon...
John Carr
John Carr
October 17, 2007
Why do we need install volume?
To raise manufacturer's volume.
Consequence, the mfg makes more money.
With more money, the mfg can invest in higher capacity production tooling.
Result, lower unit cost, lower cost to the consumer.

The unit cost is a function of production cost and innovation. This is the same in the semiconductor, auto, petroleum industry, and others. Direct financing of innovation within a production facility is more cost effective than trickle down subsidies.

Every major DOE technology project is based on this incentive model. It works. Using this model the semiconductor industry made huge strides in cost reduction.
Brian Julin
Brian Julin
October 17, 2007
I see both points. When there are subsidies, companies aren't responding fast enough with lower prices. They are content to let the subsidy artificially deflate the price and pocket the difference. Very short-sighted.

However, giving money to the companies directly is just more corporate welfare, and would be low hanging fruit for corrupt legislators. What's wanted here isn't basic research, so it doesn't really fit that kind of model either.

A better solution might be like the X-Prize, rewarding for volume and for price, but with a bit less of the winner-take-all aspect to it so companies can move more confidently knowing that if they make progress they'll see some benefit from it.
John Carr
John Carr
October 17, 2007
Brian,
Close enough!

About corporate welfare...

If you are a salaried employee at a corp., chances are, you are already making your donation to corp. welfare.
Lord knows, I have.

On the other hand, businesses, i.e. corporations, make this stuff. So, the money's got to make its way to corp's pocketbook one way, or the other.

However, your point really is, there must be transparency, accountability, and RESULTS! No free ride!

Right?
Jim Berry
Jim Berry
October 17, 2007
Great another cost saving alternative energy program, that requires me to pay a tax for it to work.

Why do all these cost efficient and cost savings idea require non-users to foot the tab?
Rolf Christ
Rolf Christ
October 17, 2007
Hi guys, as a flat plate solar manufacturer I offer the following comments:
1. Solar collectors represent only about 20% to 25% of the installed cost of an active solar hot water heating system.
2. Collector pricing has NOT kept up with the increased cost of raw materials and inflation over the past 20 years.
3. Europe has huge volumes of systems being installed resulting in a mature industry and a lot of public awareness, just no big drop in pricing.
4. for other component manufacturers, like pumps and storage tanks, the volume of solar products is just a drop into the bucket for them, especially when the solar tank replaces the sale of a regular heater.
5. It is always possible to make a cheaper product, but the result might be a shorter life.
6. Flat plate solar collectors are a mature, low tech. product, so don't expect too many breakthroughs, just by adding a few thousand installations a year, some of which are going to be supplied by European manufacturers.

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Sara Parker is a writer and poet based in New Hampshire. She holds a B.A. from Hampshire College with a concentration in creative writing. She has written for numerous publications and, until December 2007, was the Features Editor at RenewableEnergyWorld.com...
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